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So I've seen some idle talk about running the 40k skitarii in 30k, the way you would a xeno book. I also recall forgeworld saying in emails that one could house rule them into age of darkness. With the cover of cybernetica and more recently the previews of the "Mechanicum Secutarii" from forge world dureing the last weekender, it seems more or less conformed that eventually the skitarii will come to 30k. But for people who want to get a early start on collecting them and playing them in age of darkness, it seems like it might be fun to talk about how best to house rule them in at the time being.

You can't quite just bring them directly into 30k with the age of darkness FoC like orks or eldar due to the lack of HQ units. Thinking about it, I could see a few ways one could sort of "house rule it" to work.

1) The skitarii use their specail FoC in their codex, but have to follow the 25% rule on lord of war choices. They also get the mechanicum LoW choices.
2)Same as above, but you take the magos from the Taghmata list for your HQ.
3)They use age of darkness minus the HQ, but keeping all their army wide special rules.

In all cases making sure you don't take any 30k era inappropriate units. This it self is a interesting point since the Iron Strider is stated in codex that it's STC's were discovered in M33 meaning it's post HH, but it can be clearly seen in the artwork for cybernetica....

 Lockark wrote:
So I've seen some idle talk about running the 40k skitarii in 30k, the way you would a xeno book. I also recall forgeworld saying in emails that one could house rule them into age of darkness. With the cover of cybernetica and more recently the previews of the "Mechanicum Secutarii" from forge world dureing the last weekender, it seems more or less conformed that eventually the skitarii will come to 30k. But for people who want to get a early start on collecting them and playing them in age of darkness, it seems like it might be fun to talk about how best to house rule them in at the time being.

You can't quite just bring them directly into 30k with the age of darkness FoC like orks or eldar due to the lack of HQ units. Thinking about it, I could see a few ways one could sort of "house rule it" to work.

1) The skitarii use their specail FoC in their codex, but have to follow the 25% rule on lord of war choices. They also get the mechanicum LoW choices.
2)Same as above, but you take the magos from the Taghmata list for your HQ.
3)They use age of darkness minus the HQ, but keeping all their army wide special rules.

In all cases making sure you don't take any 30k era inappropriate units. This it self is a interesting point since the Iron Strider is stated in codex that it's STC's were discovered in M33 meaning it's post HH, but it can be clearly seen in the artwork for cybernetica....

I prefer to run them as Militia with Survivors of the Dark Age and Warrior Elite. RH1N0s, better lasweapons, better armour, tanks and artillery. It works quite well for me. Although, a little conversionwork is necessary. Like Rotorcannons, Ogryns or HWTs.....

Haveing to convert some units of power armoured skitarii is kinda wired TBH, and I'm not a fan of the realy low LD you end up with when using thows two doctrines. With the poor LD of the milita you would realy need Discipline Masters for most of your squads. Doesn't realy feel right for the skitarii. You also don't realy get to use the dune crawler unless your converting it into some wired count-as leeman russ.

If I was to go the milita route I would probably say Warrior Elite and Augments. Maby say that the organic parts are from some crazy gentically engineered vat grown humans, and go Abhuman+Augmented just so you can get the discipline collars for stubborn on all your units. But agien you don't get the Dunecrawler, that is just such a awesome model, I would relay want to be able to take it without having to do heavy conversions to make it into a count-as for some other vehicle.

Not to mention the previews for the "Mechanicum Secutarii" seems to sujest their will be a good chunk of overlap to expect between the 30k and 40k force. The clear answer is just collect them as a 40k army untill the 30k rules come out. But would be nice to get some skitarii on legion action going abit early until then. lol

They already exist the infantry are tech thralls and everything else is in the 30k mechanicum books in one way or another, you just need to accept the overlap of skitarii and mechanicum from 40k.

Except Skitarii are not Tech Thralls, they also exist in fluff for 30k.

Also, Secutarii, which look like a upgrade kit for Skitarii are coming from FW in a new book for 30k.

I would ignore the formations and just make the troop choices non-compulsory units with the support rule and leave the other units in their respective slots. This let's a player add their skitarii/cult mechanicus without messing with the requirements of the thagmata, redactor, or cybernetica lists.

No, I'd just give you the aod force charts, no formations and send you on your way to play a nice game

 Formosa wrote:
No, I'd just give you the aod force charts, no formations and send you on your way to play a nice game

Except in GW's wisdom, the skitarii don't have a HQ and thus you can not mke a legal AoD army. Skitarii in 40k get a wired specail snowflake FoC with out a HQ slot. So some sort of house rule is needed to make the army legal in age of darkness.


After spending some time thinking on the subject I think I figured it out. Since in the list you normally need to choose a squad's Srg. charater for your warlord, the simplest house rule is that you need to buy a infantry squad from the list as a HQ and that squad's Srg must be your warlord.

And of course no Formations in AoD. I always thought that was fairly clear lol. Do the rare 30k Eldar and Ork players ever try to use them? I thought it was clear you just build the armies in the AoD foc plus any FW units.