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Hello everyone, I'm new to WH40k, and chose the necrons army. I have bought the Start Collecting set, and own the necron codex, which is why I want at least one judicator battalion and canoptek harvest in my Decurion. These are the lists I'll be slowly building towards, judging from what I already own. All help and criticism to a new player are accepted!

Overlord - Warscythe, Phase Shifter (125)
Immortals x5 - Gauss Blaster, Night Scythe (215)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (185)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (185)
Tomb Blades x5 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane (110)

Deathmarks x10 (180)

1000 points


Overlord - Warscythe, Phase Shifter (125)
Immortals x5 - Gauss Blaster, Night Scythe (215)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (185)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (185)
Tomb Blades x3 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane (66)
Tomb Blades x3 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane (66)

Deathmarks x5 (90)

Canoptek Spyder - Fabricator Claw Array (55)
Canoptek Wraiths x3 - Whip Coil (169)
Canoptek Scarabs (60)

Canoptek Spyder - Fabricator Claw Array (55)
Canoptek Wraiths x3 - Whip Coil (169)
Canoptek Scarabs (60)

1500 points


Overlord - Warscythe, Phase Shifter (125)
Immortals x5 - Gauss Blaster, Night Scythe (215)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (185)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (185)
Tomb Blades x3 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane (66)
Tomb Blades x3 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane (66)

Deathmarks x10 (180)

Canoptek Spyder - Fabricator Claw Array (55)
Canoptek Wraiths x3 - Whip Coil (169)
Canoptek Scarabs (60)

Canoptek Spyder - Fabricator Claw Array (55)
Canoptek Wraiths x3 - Whip Coil (169)
Canoptek Scarabs (60)

Triarch Stalker - Particle Shredder (130)
Praetorians - Rod of Covenant (140)
Praetorians - Voidblade, Particle Casters (140)

2000 points


I'll be mainly playing with three of my friends. They'll be running:

-Chaos Space Marines
-Dark Angels
-Orks

The first two are also new and bought the dark vengeance set, and the orks player is moderately experienced, been playing for two or three years.
Thank you!

I think you got wrong points in the Warriors with Ghost Ark, that should be 235pts in total, not 185pts, maybe just a typo, I haven't added up your pts from all units.

Anyway, all lists looks good and solid, unless facing a tons of Str D, Str 10 or other kind of ID attacks, you should do fine, just not quite certain about the efficiency of Deathmarks, they are a single turn Sternguards in my mind, do not Ignore cover and only 6s would ignore armor save........ So maybe drop them and take something else. For example, You could possibly take the Canoptek Harvest in 1000pts.

Moreover, if face orks, arm those Tomb Blades with Particle Beamer, small blast, S6 AP5 will be devastating against hordes . Imho, you could also consider putting Gloom Prism on the Spiders, that is your only Psychic defense against something nasty powers.

Yes, you appear to be right. I didn't check the codex and thought that warriors were 80 points for some reason. Please excuse a noob like me.

I thought the Deathmarks would do fine against vehicles and strong MCs with the Hunters from Hyperspace rule, but does that not apply to vehicles? I thought it might be 2 for glances and up for pens, but that does sound a little overpowered.

Maybe an alternative 1000 points:
Overlord - Warscythe, Phase Shifter (125)
Immortals - Gauss Blaster (85)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (235)
Warriors x11 (143)
Tomb Blades x5 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane (110)


Canoptek Spyder - Gloom Prism (60)
Canoptek Wraiths x3 - Whip Coil (169)
Canoptek Scarabs (60)

987 points in total
Against orks I can take particle beamer for the tomb blades to put it at 997.
Else, I have an extra 13 points to do something with, maybe a twelfth warrior.
Thoughts? Also clarification on the death marks would be nice.

Deimos27 wrote:
Yes, you appear to be right. I didn't check the codex and thought that warriors were 80 points for some reason. Please excuse a noob like me.

I thought the Deathmarks would do fine against vehicles and strong MCs with the Hunters from Hyperspace rule, but does that not apply to vehicles? I thought it might be 2 for glances and up for pens, but that does sound a little overpowered.

Maybe an alternative 1000 points:
Overlord - Warscythe, Phase Shifter (125)
Immortals - Gauss Blaster, Night Scythe (215)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (235)
Warriors x10 (130)
Tomb Blades x5 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane (110)


Canoptek Spyder - Gloom Prism (60)
Canoptek Wraiths x3 - Whip Coil (169)
Canoptek Scarabs (60)

984 points in total
Against orks I can take particle beamer for the tomb blades and fabricator claw array for the Spyder to round things off at 999 points.
Else, I have an extra 16 points to do something with.
Thoughts? Also clarification on the death marks would be nice.

The deathmark rule do not apply to vehicles. They might be ok for the turn you drop them in within 12 inch (their special sniper rifle are rapid fire) against MCs or special characters, but then die quickly or at least will be tied up in combat for whole game long.
Other than the particle beamer upgrade, I think you could consider take Phylactery on your Overlord. Then he is unlikely to die in the game.

If you're wondering, I failed some calculations, but the post is edited to be correct now.
Thanks for the info on the deathmarks, I see probably not a good investment.


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Overlord - Warscythe, Phase Shifter, Phylactery (140)
Immortals x5 - Gauss Blaster (85)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (235)
Warriors x10 - Ghost Ark (235)
Tomb Blades x5 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane (110)
Tomb Blades x4 - Nebuloscope, Shieldvane, Particle Beamer (96)

Canoptek Spyder - Gloom Prism (60)
Canoptek Wraiths x3 - Whip Coil (169)
Canoptek Scarabs (60)

Canoptek Spyder - Gloom Prism (60)
Canoptek Wraiths x3 - Whip Coil (169)
Canoptek Scarabs x4 (80)

1,499 points

Deimos27 wrote:

I'll be mainly playing with three of my friends. They'll be running:

-Chaos Space Marines
-Dark Angels
-Orks

The first two are also new and bought the dark vengeance set, and the orks player is moderately experienced, been playing for two or three years.
Thank you!

Yeah, I think you'll be fine with all of these lists. As long as you don't goof on objectives or throw away units. Particle Beamers will be especially effective against Orks.

OK, thank you for the reinforcement on the particle beamers. As to objectives, so far my friends and I have just played a few kill everything matches at 500 points. How are proper matches with objectives and victory points played? What equipment do I need for it? I've watched loads of battle reports on YouTube so I have some idea, but specification on that would be nice, if anyone is willing to sacrifice the time.

~Deimos

Deimos27 wrote:
How are proper matches with objectives and victory points played? What equipment do I need for it?

Objective matches are straightforward. In a nutshell, there are 2-6 objective markers that you and your opponent take turns placing at the start of the game. Each objective is worth 3 victory points. To claim an objective, you must have one of your units within 3" of it at the end of the game. An additional victory point is rewarded for each of the following: A. Being the first player to completely kill one of your opponent's units (First Blood - Yes, dedicated transports count), B. Killing your opponent's Warlord (Slay the Warlord) and C. Having at least one of your units in your opponent's deployment zone at the end of the game (Line-Breaker). Note that both players can get Slay the Warlord and Line Breaker, but only one player can get First Blood. It's often the difference between victory and defeat.

Objectives get a little tricky with formations like the Decurion. Troop choices that are part of a Combined Arms Detachment have a rule called Objective Secured. This means that if one of your units is within 3" of an objective and one of your opponent's units with Objective Secured is also within 3", the unit with objective secured gets the victory points. In a Decurion, none of your units have objective secured, which means that if you're up against combined arms, you need to either wipe out your opponent's Troops or play so that none of your opponent's Troops are within 3" of the objectives you hold at the end of the game.

As far as equipment goes, the two things are mobile units like Night Scythes, Tomb Blades and Wraiths to move down the board and claim far away objectives and durable units like Warriors, Ghost Arks and Spyders to hold objectives close to home. Your list should do fine.

Regarding your list, Particle Beamers are good, but just keep in mind that you can't Jink and shoot because they're blast weapons. Deathmarks are one of those high-risk high-reward units. Sometimes they come down and completely wreck face and other times they do absolutely nothing. Don't dismiss them out of kind, play with them and see if you like them.

Thank you so much counterwavecounter, and much appreciated!
I'll be sure to think about these things and share them with my friends. The game ends after a predetermined amount of turns, right?
I might consider trying out the deathmarks, too. The counter deep strike does seem quite attractive, as my dark angels opponent loves playing loads of terminators.

~Deimos


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Also, I'm thinking about participating in my first tournament that my local games store is holding this summer. It's only for beginners who haven't ever played in a tournament before, and those who just haven't played the game in a long time. Not serious, just as an introduction to the game in a more competitive environment. 500 points max. Not sure if objectives will be used.
As a potentially useful side note: I know the Orks and Dark Angels players will be there.

Should I take the retribution phalanx from my start collecting box, with loads of upgrades on my warlord, like phase shifter, nightmare shroud and phylactery? Or should I go unbound so I can include my tomb blades without having to run a separate CAD (don't have the extra HQ). Besides. I've never actually gotten to respawn my warriors and/or scarabs as matches usually go one of two ways:

1) Domination victory, few casualties.
2) Got dominated. Opponent leaves a few warriors alive so they can't respawn, and I'm left desperately trying to suicide them to force a reset (so far haven't succeeded in time to prevent him from going ham on an unprotected overlord the moment I DO succeed in killing them off).

EDIT: In my 1500 list, (the newer one on this thread, not the original were I screwed up the costs), would it be worth cutting a ghost ark, the phylactery upgrade and the fourth scarab to give my warlord a command barge? Otherwise he would have to go with the immortals and not get anything done with that Warscythe. Alternatively I could drop the ghost arks and the above mentioned upgrades and run a unit of lychguard with a night scythe and have the warlord in there.

EDIT #2: With no replies this post moved to second page. Reposted question about the 500 point army list as a separate thread, please go there if you have answers regarding that. Everything else is still up for debate here on this thread.

~Deimos