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Let's just hope it has a better release day than Mortal Kombat X....

What was wrong with mortal kombat x I played it since day 1 error free.

OgreChubbs wrote:
What was wrong with mortal kombat x I played it since day 1 error free.

Did you buy it for Xbox/PlayStation?
PC players got royally shafted. Took weeks to sort the game out before it worked properly.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
What was wrong with mortal kombat x I played it since day 1 error free.

Did you buy it for Xbox/PlayStation?
PC players got royally shafted. Took weeks to sort the game out before it worked properly.

ps4 playstation has been my baby since i got the ps1 for christmass way back when. Also got the goro pre order it was great, to bad he sucks lol. Massive hit box means nothing misses him. Always thought the pc version of things where jokes, they are never as good and suffer from huge lag due to computers all being different.

I liked Injustice. Batman and Neptune were my go to characters. I didn't do much actual PvP, and it was only with friends, so I'm not too well versed in power levels, but only deadshot gave me a run for my money.

consider me hyped. But, a genuine question. HOW THE feth DOES SUPERMAN LAND A HIT ON THE FLASH?

It's explained in the comics, Flash perceives time at an insanely quick rate. It's been acknowledged that Clark isn't fast enough.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
consider me hyped. But, a genuine question. HOW THE feth DOES SUPERMAN LAND A HIT ON THE FLASH?

It's explained in the comics, Flash perceives time at an insanely quick rate. It's been acknowledged that Clark isn't fast enough.

Everyone has to make mistakes at some point. Plus, it's a video game and it'd be an unfair advantage to have Flash untouchable.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
consider me hyped. But, a genuine question. HOW THE feth DOES SUPERMAN LAND A HIT ON THE FLASH?

The same reason any illogical thing happens in comic books.

Because the plot demands it.

Anyway I'm excited.

edit: Also, bear in mind, Superman can travel many, many times faster than light-- as demonstrated by him traveling from the closest star to the sun and ending up on earth in just a few minutes, so he CAN travel nearly as fast as the Flash when he really wants to-- though I will grant that the Flash perceives time at an astoundingly faster rate than Superman does

For the record, Alpha Centauri A is about 4.367 light years away. That means if he took ten minutes to arrive, he must have traveled about 43 billion miles per second-- the speed of light is about 186,000 miles/second. And this was post-relaunch which had him weaker than before.

Don't post things like this on Dakka.

Reds8n

Throwing canon under the bus, or another example of fans clinging to snippets of a publication that really don't matter?

 LordofHats wrote:
Throwing canon under the bus, or another example of fans clinging to snippets of a publication that really don't matter?

Considering how Injustice grew into a major comic series, I'd say that canon is pretty major.

 thedarkavenger wrote:


Considering how Injustice grew into a major comic series, I'd say that canon is pretty major.

Of course canon is major.

But there's this odd trend now where people will become angered over absolutely minute or obscure (or what I dub "just doesn't fething matter") aspects of canon. Is Flash's comprehending a attosecond really a core component of his canon? It's not. It's the kind of small detail fiction the world over tends to bring up, then drop the moment the plot demands it because at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. A typical person probably doesn't even know what an attosecond is. They'll just assume it's some made up word filling in for "super duper really fast." This isn't something that just comic books do. For a long time Phasers couldn't be fired at warp speeds, except when the plot demanded it because we have to stretch this plot line into a two parter. When it comes to super science and super powers, plot always takes lead over consistency to obscure details. Especially obscure details that would make there be no plot, like Flash being so fast no one can touch him.

So yeah. Let's all be angry that Flash is actually playable, and the moment you pick him the screen won't instantly transition to "You Win." That's what we as fans should all be complaining about.

But but the speed force...

 thedarkavenger wrote:
It's been stated that the Flash perceives time, and reacts at attoseconds. The smallest quantifiable level of time. Superman can move nearly as fast as the flash, but the flash has infinitely quicker reactions.

There was a comic about someone who perceived time in exactly that way. However, he didn't have the superhuman abilities of Flash or Superman. He died watching a bullet fired at him. He saw it moving, nanometer by nanometer. He couldn't move out of the way fast enough, and he eventually felt his chest give in, his bones break, his muscles tear, his heart get pierced. Felt himself dying slowly in what normally would have been an instant death, but to him lasted for months. He could do nothing but pray that his sacrifice would help protect the bullet's intended target before he finally faded away.

The thing is, yes, the Flash can "think faster" than Superman. But if they're moving the same speed.. there's not much he can actually DO to Superman. Can he hurt Superman? No... not really. Can he overpower Superman? Hah, what a joke. Can he use some special ability to overcome Superman? Possibly, but Supes himself has so many abilities that he wouldn't even need to land on the planet the Flash was on to kill him. He could simply break the world, and then let the Flash suffocate and die. And Flash could try to get in the way and stop it... but he would be powerless to do so. He would be unable to stop him. struggling in what is to the Flash an eternity of time against an unstoppable force, before all hope is lost and Superman completes his destructive plan. Hell, Superman has turned back time just as the Flash was able to. There's a reason why Superman, not the Flash, is the one they use whenever god-level enemies are being fought. Because Superman himself is godlike.

All I'm saying is, you should be thankful that Superman is toned down for this game just as Flash is. The game needs to be playable, and unless your name is Darkseid, Superman without a moral code or personal limitations on his power is pretty much unbeatable. And even for him, it's an uphill battle.

The game is better for hte limitations.

Im pretty sure he could really hurt the guy with one of his crazy vibrating fist thing that increase his mass to that of a star.

the flash can apparently run across the universe faster than instant teleporation. and im also not sure how he was breathing the whole time :/

speaking of time, both of them have bull gak time traveling powers as well. so could just ungrandfather each other.

honestly super powers is insane

Mass of a star?

Superman has lifted things that had literally infinite weight. The mass of a star is nothing to him. He's held a black hole in his hand and been unharmed by it (though it did make him uncomfortable). Hell he could use said black hole as a gauntlet to slow the Flash down and, himself, be unaffected by it. That'd be amusing.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
consider me hyped. But, a genuine question. HOW THE feth DOES SUPERMAN LAND A HIT ON THE FLASH?

It's explained in the comics, Flash perceives time at an insanely quick rate. It's been acknowledged that Clark isn't fast enough.

The question of whether Supes or Flash is faster varies based on the needs of the current story. For instance, a while back during one of DC's universe resets (I think it was New 52, but I might be mistaken), Supes beat a combined group of (not crazy prepared) Batman, Green Lantern, Flash, and possibly one other character who I can't remember off the top of my head. Superman in that particular storyline was apparently slightly faster than Flash.

 Melissia wrote:
Mass of a star?

Superman has lifted things that had literally infinite weight. The mass of a star is nothing to him. He's held a black hole in his hand and been unharmed by it (though it did make him uncomfortable). Hell he could use said black hole as a gauntlet to slow the Flash down and, himself, be unaffected by it. That'd be amusing.

Yeah its really insane.
Hell the Flash has escaped from a black hole.
i believe there may or may not be a limit to how much mass he can make his punches.
IIRC he also is fast enough to fight on earth without superman or any other justice league from noticing.

but really eternity and infinity. even with help to lift them.
makes me

Yeah, he picked up a book with infinite pages and an artifact that weighed an infinite amount. Even if he shared the weight... what's half of infinity? Infinity.

The characters are toned down or up as needed. Obviously. And they should be. It makes the game actually playable and good. The game is already an alternate continuity to begin with, so why is this an issue for some people? This is not canon continuity. This is Injustice Continuity. And in Injustice Continuity, they have contrivances to make characters be on a more even ground, either by toning down the most ridiculously OP characters or toning up the weaker ones by giving them more power, better tech, superdrugs, whatever they feel is best.

Eumerin wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
consider me hyped. But, a genuine question. HOW THE feth DOES SUPERMAN LAND A HIT ON THE FLASH?

It's explained in the comics, Flash perceives time at an insanely quick rate. It's been acknowledged that Clark isn't fast enough.

The question of whether Supes or Flash is faster varies based on the needs of the current story. For instance, a while back during one of DC's universe resets (I think it was New 52, but I might be mistaken), Supes beat a combined group of (not crazy prepared) Batman, Green Lantern, Flash, and possibly one other character who I can't remember off the top of my head. Superman in that particular storyline was apparently slightly faster than Flash.

Yeah, that was the first JL volume in the N52 (so 'depowerered' Superman, not that that's a bad thing). Batman and GL try and take down Supes, he smashes GL's constructs and Batman's gadgets are predictably ineffective, GL calls up Flash to join the fight. Flash lands a few hits on Supes, but the important bit is that Supes then predicts his movement, flicks Flash and he goes flying the length of the street. If he'd punched him, Flash would have no internal organs!

Injustice handled the power discrepancy quite well the first time round, the Invinci-pill might have been a contrived gimmick but it was consistent and got the job done of levelling the playing field. I wonder if this game will be a direct continuation of the first game's plotline, or whether they'll come up with another reason for everyone to bash each other's brains out... There don't appear to be 'teams' this time, so I'm wondering if it'll be someone like Darkseid or Brainiac abducting the heroes and putting them in an arena, Secret Wars (the original one) style.

Good to see Supergirl make an appearance, and what looked like Batman Beyond or perhaps a very up-armoured Robin/Red Hood at the end there. Still hoping for a few others to show up down the line, I want to see Grodd and Martian Manhunter for a start!

Supergirl needs to appear more often.

 LordofHats wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:


Considering how Injustice grew into a major comic series, I'd say that canon is pretty major.

Of course canon is major.

But there's this odd trend now where people will become angered over absolutely minute or obscure (or what I dub "just doesn't fething matter") aspects of canon. Is Flash's comprehending a attosecond really a core component of his canon? It's not. It's the kind of small detail fiction the world over tends to bring up, then drop the moment the plot demands it because at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. A typical person probably doesn't even know what an attosecond is. They'll just assume it's some made up word filling in for "super duper really fast." This isn't something that just comic books do. For a long time Phasers couldn't be fired at warp speeds, except when the plot demanded it because we have to stretch this plot line into a two parter. When it comes to super science and super powers, plot always takes lead over consistency to obscure details. Especially obscure details that would make there be no plot, like Flash being so fast no one can touch him.

So yeah. Let's all be angry that Flash is actually playable, and the moment you pick him the screen won't instantly transition to "You Win." That's what we as fans should all be complaining about.

It's not a minor part of his canon. It's pretty major, as it's one of the two things that earn him the title 'The World's Fastest Man'.

I don't mind them making him playable, but I do mind them throwing some of his core powers under the bus for the sake of 'plot'.

To be fair Superman is really a "man"

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I don't mind them making him playable, but I do mind them throwing some of his core powers under the bus for the sake of 'plot'.

His core power is moving really really fast.

That someone slapped a very extreme measure of time on how fast in a however many years ago is not. It's as canonically inconsequential as whatever made up particle ending in "on" Star Trek invented this week to resolve the crisis, which is promptly forgotten.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
It's not a minor part of his canon

Question: Would you rather he be ignored and removed from the game entirely, because you can't get over a minor adjustment to power levels?

Because your idea would make him boring and stupid in a freaking competitive fighting game. Just like having Superman at full power would, for that matter, or Batman having full preparation time, or whatever else you want.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Always thought the pc version of things where jokes, they are never as good and suffer from huge lag due to computers all being different.

Nah it's just PC gamers are more fussy. The PC version of a console game even if it's a straight port is almost always better than the console version. It's only if the port is so terribly that it actually introduces new bugs and instability that it's a problem, even then the bugs typically only affect a fraction of players.

 LordofHats wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I don't mind them making him playable, but I do mind them throwing some of his core powers under the bus for the sake of 'plot'.

His core power is moving really really fast.

That someone slapped a very extreme measure of time on how fast in a however many years ago is not. It's as canonically inconsequential as whatever made up particle ending in "on" Star Trek invented this week to resolve the crisis, which is promptly forgotten.

No. The Flash's core power is The Speed Force. Always has been, always will be.


The Speed Force allows him to move, react, think, perceive time at a level that makes Superman look like he's standing still. Every flash bar Jay Garrick has that.

 Melissia wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
It's not a minor part of his canon

Question: Would you rather he be ignored and removed from the game entirely, because you can't get over a minor adjustment to power levels?

Because your idea would make him boring and stupid in a freaking competitive fighting game. Just like having Superman at full power would, for that matter, or Batman having full preparation time, or whatever else you want.

I would like to see him represented accurately in footage, not just give everyone else the proverbial green pill, to allow them to suddenly compete.

I do understand that, for gameplay, he has to be limited. But gameplay =/= footage.

Anyways.... let's get back to the video game and not the weird and wonderful world of 'canon'

What do we think to the weird armour-y bits coming out everywhere?

To be honest, the armour thing isn't doing much for me. It definitely works for some characters, but not all of them. Batman, obviouslymakes sense, Flash has/has had pseudo-metallic armour in the N52, Aquaman and Wonder Woman almost always have it, but I don't like it on the Kryptonians. When you're that tough, additional protection is unnecessary, and it can't really offer them any abilities they don't already have, unlike some other characters.

I'm fine with it being there, I just hope it doesn't become the crutch or the focal element of the game.The first one is so great as it's really very simple. Here's heroes, here's an area, fight. I don't see the need for the character customisation element that the armour seems to be adding in, going by the various press releases and the trailer.

Still, Injustice is an all-time favourite, so a current-gen update with more characters and new content is most welcome!

 thedarkavenger wrote:
But gameplay =/= footage.

Why not?

This isn't canon to the DC main storyline. Why can't their footage equal gameplay? And bear in mind, it is canon that Joker managed to poison the flash with joker venom (in fact, he poisoned the entire justice league), so the Flash isn't quite as fast as you seem to think