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So, Age of Sigmar is kind of rough in a "rules as written" vs. "rules as intended" sense, as I feel like I try to capture the spirit of the warscrolls, but so many issues arise. As such, I am hoping someone here might help clarify something.

When we talk about spell ranges... what is included in the term "range" per se? For instance, Lord Kroaks Celestial spell has no casting range so to speak, but instead asks players to draw a 3d6 line in inches for deciding what is hit. Now paired with an Astrolith Banner which expressly says it adds 8" to spells range, does it make this line 3d6+8, or is that not an instance of "range" as the word itself is nowhere to be found in Kroak's spell?

I would personally take it as 3d6+8. It's just like the magic scenary option standing next to it give's you +1 to your casting score.

So say you are rolling for arcane bolt which is a 6 you get a 5 thanks to the scenary its a +1 so you get the spell off.

The banner gives says it gives you +8 range but as you are god dam Kroak your magic range is determined by 3d6 according to his rules. So you would add the 8 after you roll your range.

I'm growing to really love this game thanks to several Comps out there... but man do I wish the language was clearer, and less fluffy, though.

I really do feel like the heart of the rules are excellent, as evidenced by how quickly people found ways to make a strong, competitive game (something all the ITCs in the world still haven't fully been able to do with 40k), but its fast-and-loose writing which keeps a game from reaching that next level IMO.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm growing to really love this game thanks to several Comps out there... but man do I wish the language was clearer, and less fluffy, though.

I really do feel like the heart of the rules are excellent, as evidenced by how quickly people found ways to make a strong, competitive game (something all the ITCs in the world still haven't fully been able to do with 40k), but its fast-and-loose writing which keeps a game from reaching that next level IMO.

True they are trying to keep it fluffy(which I like) but it can lead to some confusion at times something similar happened to me when I used Vanhel danse macabre which allows skeleton and zombies to pile in and attack twice. I wondered if that meant they could get extra attacks but after clarifying with the manager at my GW they do their normal attack profile. Then they pile in again and you do their attack profile again with any units that are in range which fits what the spell does lore wise since they jerk forward and attack again since well they are puppets.

What has started to help me figure stuff out is to think the rule kinda in fluffy terms. Then the gears in my head start turning. Huh just talking about this just made me realize using the spell could put your units in a bad position because you are required to pile in... well learn something new everyday.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:I really do feel like the heart of the rules are excellent, as evidenced by how quickly people found ways to make a strong, competitive game

Glad to hear it! And 100% agree The mechanics are a real gem and on top of great points costings from the community this game has just blown me away over the last year. I love it so much.

shinros wrote:
What has started to help me figure stuff out is to think the rule kinda in fluffy terms. Then the gears in my head start turning. Huh just talking about this just made me realize using the spell could put your units in a bad position because you are required to pile in... well learn something new everyday.

Pile-in is always optional, even under Vanhel Danse "units can...", but then I can't think when you wouldn't want to pile-in skellies as they are the ultimate tarpit!

It's hard to see what Lord Kroak's 3D6 is if it is not the range of his spell. This the +8 inches bonus would add 8 inches to the initial 3D6.

The ability does say the 3D6 is the "spirit's range", but then the next line says "Each enemy unit within range" - so yes, I would say does extend it 8"