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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/31 21:29:40
Subject: 2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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Hey all!
I was going to run a list like this , but wasn't sure if it was solid or lacking.
Aspect Host:
10 Dire Avengers, Exarch with Power Weapon/Shimmershield in a Wave Serpent w/ TL Shuriken Cannon
6 Fire Dragons, Exarch with Firepike in a Wave Serpent w/ TL Brightlance,
10 Warp Spiders.
Crimson Death:
1 Crimson Hunter Exarch, flyer ace
2 Crimson Hunters
Guardian Battlehost:
Farseer, Singing Spear, Spirit Stone of An'athalan
2 Shadow Weavers,
2 Vypers w/Starcannons,
2 War Walkers w/ Scatterlasers,
3 squads of 10 Guardians, with Shuriken Cannon, EML and Scatterlaser platforms
2 Warlocks, one sword, spear
Wraith Construct: Wraithknight, Heavy Wraithcannons, x2 scatterlasers
I think thats it. Is there a way to swap in Eldrad for the Battlehost Farseer? I was thinking about going Ulthwe, and he would be great! This isnt really going to be for competitive play, probably going to be fighting Deathwatch and maybe Genestealer cult mostly.
Thanks!
-Z
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/31 22:26:00
Subject: 2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Looks ok. Not super competative, so your opponents should be pretty happy.
I don't have my codex on me, but it should say in the entry if you can use Eldrad instead if I remember right. I know he can be used in the seer council, but I have not looked at the various hosts very much.
Edit: spellcheck *sigh*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 00:08:27
Subject: Re:2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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Thanks for the reply!
It definitely wasnt intended to go win tournaments or whatever necessarily, though I guess it would be up to how I play it haha.
I was using battlescribe, and it didnt give an option to swap the farseer for Eldrad, so I might be out of luck. Maybe I'd just have to ask my opponent if they cared.
I need to find a way to work Baharroth and some Hawks in too, theyve always been my favorite....
-Z
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 13:37:16
Subject: 2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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No problem.
I did look up the battle host formation in my codex, and it does not have the same note that the seer council does unfortunately. So unless GW added an FAQ or Errata somewhere, only a regular farseer. (I checked Eldrad's datasheet too, and I did not find an entry allowing him to be subbed into any formation that calls for a Farseer there either.)
A way to work it in, although you get less bonus, is to take CAD. The Shadow Weavers should be one HS slot, the Vypers FA, War Walkers HS, and your Guardians Troops. I forget if the Warlock council takes up an HQ by itself or becomes part of the slot taken by the farseer, but if you want the HQ slot, you can sub the warlocks into two of the Guardian squads.
That should put you at max, 1 HQ, 2 FA, 3 HS, and 3 T (+1 LoW if you put the Wraithknight into the CAD - idk if this is better/worse than in the Wraith Construct spot). So you can easily grab up the 1 HQ for Baharroth and 1 FA for a squad of Hawks. Plus, there are less mandatory tax units, so you can drop off pretty much whatever you feel like. I would drop 1 Guardian squad (the Dires in your Aspect Host fulfill a similar role)... and... does Crimson Death have to be 3? I think you would probs do fine with only 2, and that should get you somewhere close to the points for Baharroth and the Hawks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 20:02:38
Subject: Re:2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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Thanks for checking into that, I appreciate it! Crimson Death does have to be 3, which I'm not opposed to, mobile anti tank or anti meq/teq can't be bad.
The CAD is definitely a good way to get Eldrad and Baharroth in the list, just have to decide if they're worth giving up the formation bonuses, that's a tricky one...
Thanks!
-Z
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/01 20:15:46
Subject: 2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Not a problem.
The reason I suggest is generally because I only ever run one and people have problems dealing with the thing. Three might net you a few funny glances depending on your local meta.
The other thing I can think of is the formation for 2 Nightwings from Doom of Mymeara (cannot recall the name off the top of my head). They are slightly less firepower than the Crimson Hunters are but generally more durable since their jink is 2+ for pretty similar points. My FLGS's generally do not care which profile I use, but I have a Nightwing that I usually run as a Hunter and ymmv. Some people get wierd about proxies, especialy if you proxy a FW model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 03:38:08
Subject: Re:2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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I don't currently have access to any FW models, thought just the hunters, or even 2 hunters and a hemlock might be fun. Give enemy armor and flyers something to worry about aside from the dragons and wraithknight.
I may end up trying the CAD, just for Eldrad and Baharroth. Have you tried the different Vaul's Wrath options? I almost want to try triple vibro cannons, that seems like it could be something interesting!
Also, which options of wraithknight have you tried? It seems like the twin heavy wraith cannon is the go to, but always wondered about the sword/shield just because it looks awesome!
Thanks!
-Z
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 07:07:19
Subject: 2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Bounding Assault Marine
Providence, RI
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Fluffwise, it's pretty exactly what Eldar is supposed to be. It seems a bit small for 2500, but there are a lot of vehicles. More than usual for an Eldar army, I guess to compensate mobility-wise for the lack of jetbikes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/02 14:02:17
Subject: 2500pts Eldar, c&c welcome!
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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I do not have any Vaul's Wrath, so I've never run them unfortunately. (I had a friend that plays IG - horribly, mind you - and after watching him do pretty much nothing with his artillery over and over, I felt they were a waste. I'm only just considering to buy them now.)
But, looking at them now, I would probably run the Vibro cannons. (As a note, I am looking to do Corsairs, and Vibro weaponry is very common there. So I might be just a bit biased.) The D Cannon is ok, but a range of 24" and a small blast makes it kind of meh for a unit that would ideally be sitting in cover and not moving somewhere. The Vibro cannons look like the most versatile. And pinning is a nice bonus for if it has to shoot at infantry. I guess for your list as it is though, the Shadow Weavers are a good choice since they should be able to deal with all stripes of infantry.
I generally run my Wraithknight dual heavy wraithcannons with 2 scatter lasers. I play him a bit conservatively, but without a seer casting prescience or guide on him, he usually only hits with one cannon (but my dice are awful, so ymmv). Still, the scatters give him good anti-infantry while the cannons do their thing and wipe multi-wound or -hullpoint models off the table. He usually makes his points back and is a royal pain as long as I keep him behind knee-high cover (no one argues obscured at that point).
I think I've run the suncannon once, and it performed horribly. The reduced viability of its lower strength and the tiny footprint of a small blast leave it with only very specific targets. But the shield kept him alive far longer and he could run around without caring about getting caught in the open against anti-tank rounds.
Although I display him as such (I only have one knight right now, and he's magnetized. And I agree, the sword and shield are by far the best looking.), I do not actually recall ever having run him with sword and board. From what I have seen in various threads on here, it's a good option, especially if you run multiple wraithknights. The suggested is usually twin wraithcannons are the first knight you take with sword and shield being the second. I would guess that it does pretty well, but his D hits being relegated to assault only would make him *slightly* less points effective than the normal. But that's generally tournament level stuff. I'm sure in a more casual setting, both variants do pretty well and are probably griped about just as much. So, if you prefer assault to shooting, run him sword and board
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