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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 05:05:43
Subject: [1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Regular Dakkanaut
Houston
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Hello all, new warboss here. I've made sure to read up on the rules so I have some semblance of an idea of what should go in an army and I've looked at various places discussing tactics (like here), but I am still completely inexperienced. I've thrown together this army on a list builder using some of the stuff I've seen discussed, but apologies if it so so bad it it cringe worthy to lay eyes upon (completely serious). I'm also trying to keep it cheep real money wise, so keep that in mind for any critique/insults at possible lack of logic. In essence this is just a quick army that I can use to play with my friends before I start going after da bigga gubbinz like battlewagons, deff dreads or the mork/gorkonauts.
HQ
Warboss with 'eavy armor, boss poll, and a power klaw 94pts
Troops
20 slugga boyz with a nob (with a power klaw and a bosspole) 160pts
20 slugga boyz with a nob (with a power klaw and a bosspole) 160pts
20 shoota boyz with a nob (with a twin linked shoota and a bosspole) and with 2 boyz with big shootas 165pts
Fast Attack
10 Stormboyz 90pts
Elite
5 nobz with power klaws (one with the bosspole) with 'eavy armor 240pts
Heavy Support
5 lootas 70pts
Total is 979pts if the list builder is to be trusted.
p.s. Are there supposed to be separate purchasable models for warboss or big meks with mega armor or is that included with them? Mainly asking for maybe getting a big mek with mega armor and a kustom forcefield in the future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 06:06:03
Subject: [1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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Your warboss is a cheap, solid choice for such a small game.
Plenty of Boyz in your list. Good man.
Stormboyz are good in theory, but in practise are out performed by bikes.
Lootas are a great HS choice.
Mostly looks like a solid list. I have a few questions and suggestions though:
How are your PK Nobz going to get into charge range? If they walk they'll get prioritised as targets and shot to bits - I'd try to get them into a Trukk as a cheap way of getting them across the board.
Are you sure 5 Lootas and a bunch of Klaws are enough anti-tank options for 1000pts? Maybe in your area you don't see many vehicles or Monstrous Creatrues but it just doesn't look like much to me. Personally I'd cut out the Big Shootas in your Boy squad to fit in a few more Lootas.
I'd reccomend dropping the Stormboyz for bikers, they're both fast, but Bikers have better shooting and survivability. I personally love my Stormboyz, but that's just for the models. Bikers by far have the better rules. They'll also need a Nob with them, prefereably with a Boss Pole at least if you can scrape the points.
p.s. No, there are no character models (Besides Ghaz) who have Mega Armour so you'll need to convert them from Meganobz Automatically Appended Next Post: In case it helps, here are a few quick list variants I knocked up in Battlescribe to demonstrate what I think:
HQ:
Warboss - Bosspole, Power Klaw, 'Eavy Armour
Troops:
Boyz - 20 men, Nob with BP and PK
Boyz - 20 men, Nob with BP and PK
Boyz - 20 men, Nob with BP and Shoota
Elites:
Nobz - 5 men, Boss Nob with BP, Power Klaws - Trukk with Reinforced Ram
Fast Attack:
7 Stormboyz - Nob with BP
Heavy Support:
7 Lootas
- 999pts -
It keeps the basic structure of your list, but I think it makes some basic improvements like increasing the fire output of the Lootas and giving the Nobz a Trukk.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 06:23:11
Subject: [1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Regular Dakkanaut
Houston
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TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
How are your PK Nobz going to get into charge range? If they walk they'll get prioritised as targets and shot to bits - I'd try to get them into a Trukk as a cheap way of getting them across the board.
Are you sure 5 Lootas and a bunch of Klaws are enough anti-tank options for 1000pts? Maybe in your area you don't see many vehicles or Monstrous Creatrues but it just doesn't look like much to me. Personally I'd cut out the Big Shootas in your Boy squad to fit in a few more Lootas.
I'd reccomend dropping the Stormboyz for bikers, they're both fast, but Bikers have better shooting and survivability. I personally love my Stormboyz, but that's just for the models. Bikers by far have the better rules. They'll also need a Nob with them, prefereably with a Boss Pole at least if you can scrape the points.
Firstly thanks for your input.
If I drop the stormboyz (a shame I think they're really cool) and the big shootas I can afford a bare-bones trukk, 3 bikers (1 is a nob with a bosspole), and one more loota (I guess I'd use a spare boy and a spare big shoota since lootas come in packs of 5 I think) bringing my point total to 994. Concerning lack of anti-tank, one of my friends plays 'Nids and the other Tau, so I guess I wasn't overly concerned about punching through armor. However I don't know about the players in my area so there very may well be a lot of armor to worry about if I go to my LFGS.
Edit: Nevermind I just noticed the list you edited in.
Edit 2: So transports dont count as fast attack if they're being used as transports?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 09:28:33
Subject: [1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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Do you have the models or you are going to buy all of them?
If you don't have them i would recomend you get 2x3 bikers and convert one as your warboss with lucky stick and a nob for company and if your opponent's allow it make one warbiker a painboy. This is a good unit for low points army and all the models are usefull in bigger armies.
Money vs point cost is better that way and you have more power (shooting and close combat) from that unit instead of 20 boyz.
Also 3 meganobz are better than 5 nobs
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Stomp soflty and carry a big choppa.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 13:57:08
Subject: [1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Been Around the Block
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Also, taking a warboss with mega armour, twin linked shoota, power klaw, and bosspole is going to be 105 points. This is 11 points more expensive, but you get 2+ armour instead of 4+ and a twin linked shoota (not like that really matters too much). Might want to consider it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 14:25:16
Subject: [1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
Athens
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Warboss in Mega armour needs a joyride cause he's slow.
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Stomp soflty and carry a big choppa.
-Winstork churchill- |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 17:23:56
Subject: [1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Lootas come in a pack of 5 but there are only enough bits to make 4 lootas, the fifth makes a Mek. It comes with a big shoota, rokkit launcha, and a kmb.
Do you already have these models, or are you buying still under some budget?
Their is not an official warboss in mega armor model, a big Mek in mega armor can be made from the mega armor box, has kff or tellyporta blasta parts.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
OP-
Original list is 274 MSRP without warboss.
My suggestion is the following :
1 start collecting Orks box 85 MSRP
3 Boyz boxes 29 MSRP each, 87 total.
2 x trucks box 37.25 MSRP each. 74.50 total.
2 x lootas box 25 MSRP each, 50 total.
Pickup warboss model Grukk, or vedros warboss from eBay 10-15 USD.
Total is 296.50 MSRP and 10-15 for the warboss.
If you buy the MSRP models from Frontline or some other online store
you can get 20% off.
This gives you:
1 warboss
1 painboy
5 nobz
44 boys models
2 trukks
1 deff dread
8 lootas
1 Mek.
Suggestions:
The lootas come with bits to make burns also.
Each Boyz box comes with 11 models.
You could have:
a warboss
Painboy
Mek with kmb or rokkit
2 units of 20 Boyz with pk nobs each, can take rokkits or big shootas
5 nobz in a trukk, suggest 1-2 pk and the rest with big choppas. Maybe 1 kombi skorcha.
5 burns Boyz in a trukk, use the 4 extra Boyz and make them into burns, use one of the meks.
8 lootas
1 deff dread I suggest 2 rokkit and 2 klaws at 1k points or less.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another option :
2 start collecting boxes MSRP total 170
2 trukks MSRP total 74.50
2 Boyz boxes MSRP total 58
Total is MSRP 302, if you buy at 20% off from online retailer it's 241 USD.
Gives you :
2 painboy
2 boys mobs with 20boys each plus 1 Nob with power klaws in each, 2 of the boys have heavy weapons.
2 mobs of 6 nobz in trukks I would go with eavy armor sluggas and choppas on four, other two have power klaws and kombi skorcha in each mob.
2 deff dredz
You lose waagh bit get 2 units with FnP from the painboy. Deff dredz at 1k or less are also pretty decent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 18:33:28
Subject: Re:[1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Regular Dakkanaut
Houston
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Again thanks for the input!
So far I own 1 set of (lonely atm) boyz, and have ordered 1 more set of boyz, 1 set of nobz, and 2 sets of stormboyz (I love the idea of them too much to give them up, also would probably get some eventually anyway). I have strongly considered the start collecting set, but the whole detachment stuff confuses me. Is the first list I posted valid for Ork Horde? I am definitely going to get at least one trukk, lootas, more boyz, and the warboss. It also seems that bikers are a priority when I move on to higher point totals.
p.s. Are shooty nobz any good? (not for this list just in general)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 18:57:44
Subject: Re:[1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The list you posted is valid for a ork horde detachment.
Bikers are good for their points for shooting, and mobility but are lacking in the assault department unless they have a powerklaw and your assaulting something that can't fight bike or you outnumber by a good deal.
Stormboyz are better than people make them out to be. They can assault turn two reliably, turn one if your opponent moved up towards them. I use them in mobs of 15 with a pk nob. My basic boys I run with shootas instead of sluggas and choppas so they fill the rush and assault role of Choppa boys for me. They get a huge threat range when waaghing.
Shoota nobz... sometimes I take twin linked shootas with big choppas on nobz. The shots are only strength 4 but re-rollable with twin linked is okay. The problem is for the cost of a twin linked shoota Nov with nothing else you can buy two and a half shoota boys. For a squad of five you can get 17 shoota Boyz. Not worth the cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 21:34:10
Subject: Re:[1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Regular Dakkanaut
Houston
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Holy crap, I'm reading through the rules for the assault phase and guffawed when I realized my slugga boyz units would roll something like 81 dice (4 for each boy and 5 for the nob if I'm reading the rules right) if they charge successfully and are in range. I've heard orks need buckets of dice but it's now dawning on me now that I'm getting an army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/30 21:56:17
Subject: Re:[1000] - Orks - This ok? (on a budget)
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
Athens
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Shooting also involves buckets of dice too.
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Stomp soflty and carry a big choppa.
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