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Hi Guys,
Recently 30k has become quite big at my FLGS, I decided to give it a look and I may be hooked
After reading the fluff for the various legions I settled on the Iron Warriors. I now have 2 boxes of BoP minus the SoS and custodies which I traded for FW weapons and more cataphractii.

I'm looking for advice on my first draft of what I aim to collect
+ HQ +

Legion Centurion [130pts]
Cataphractii Terminator Armour
Siege Breaker [45pts]

Legion Praetor
Digital Lasers [15pts]
Grenade Harness [10pts]
Iron Halo [10pts]
Mastercraft a Single Weapon [15pts]
Paragon Blade [20pts]
Tartaros Terminator Armour [35pts]
Warsmith

+ Elites +

Apothecarion Detachment [150pts]
Legion Apothecary
Augury Scanner [5pt]

Legion Apothecary
Augury Scanner [5pt]

Legion Apothecary
Augury Scanner [5pt]


Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery
2x Legion Rapier [120pts]
Phosphex Canister Shot [40pts]

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery
2x Legion Rapier [120pts]
Phosphex Canister Shot [40pts]

Legion Terminator Squad [399pts]
9x Legion Terminators [270pts]
2x Chainfist [20pts],
2x Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon [30pts],
2x Volkite Charger [14pts]
Grenade Harness [10pts]
Tartaros Terminator Armour

+ Troops [750pts] +
Legion Tactical Squad
19x Legion Tactical Space Marines [190pts]
Legion Vexilla [10pts]
Artificer Armour [10pts]
Melta Bombs [5pts]

Legion Tactical Squad
19x Legion Tactical Space Marines [190pts]
Legion Vexilla [10pts]
Artificer Armour [10pts]
Melta Bombs [5pts]

Legion Tactical Squad
19x Legion Tactical Space Marines [190pts]
Legion Vexilla [10pts]
Artificer Armour [10pts]
Melta Bombs [5pts]

+ Heavy Support +
Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad [545pts]

The Hammer of Olympia

++ Total: [2499pts] ++

Good list but i would find the points to give those quads shatter shells aswell otherwise you might cry when facing armoured lists.


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Best thing about this is that you could easily switch to Ironfire with very little change.

Thanks for the input, Ill look at scrounging some points.
Would it be worth taking away the volkite chargers and chainfists from my tartaros termies and maybe the scanners from the apothecaries for the shatter shells?

I would honestly think about dropping the praetor and rite if war entirely since your list isn't really playing to its strengths and use those points to add a master of signal to your Tyrants so you have 20 BS5 Krak missiles a turn with Tank Hunters

This is pretty much my list with the exception that I don't have quad mortars and I take the master of signal instead of the praetor.

Basically I'm saying don't get trapped into thinking you need a praetor and Rite of War to have a fun or effective army.

thank you for the input agurus1, I was considering a master of signals instead of the praetor but the siegebreaker already gives my tyrants tank hunter and while the cognis signum would be nice although I was thinking of putting him with my mortars. I wanted a melee character to support my tartaros termies who were supposed to be following the legionnaires providing fire support with their assault cannons and lending strength when needed as they advance. Ill relook for other characters instead since I technically don't need a praetor.

Although I am new to IW and 30k in general so any input is appreciated .


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although I may remove the praetors upgrades and get another apothecary, give him the augury scanner and stick him with either my tyrants or mortars? so that they can have the interceptor special rule. any thoughts?

BO0MER wrote:
thank you for the input agurus1, I was considering a master of signals instead of the praetor but the siegebreaker already gives my tyrants tank hunter and while the cognis signum would be nice although I was thinking of putting him with my mortars. I wanted a melee character to support my tartaros termies who were supposed to be following the legionnaires providing fire support with their assault cannons and lending strength when needed as they advance. Ill relook for other characters instead since I technically don't need a praetor.

Although I am new to IW and 30k in general so any input is appreciated .


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although I may remove the praetors upgrades and get another apothecary, give him the augury scanner and stick him with either my tyrants or mortars? so that they can have the interceptor special rule. any thoughts?

Ooo, missed that biggie, only Blood Angels and Imperial Fists can take assault cannons on their terminators :(

Note that augury scanners don't give blanket Interceptor, the unit equipped only gets Interceptor against units that deep strike. Might even be only against units within 18" as well will have to double check.

I get wanted to have a beatstick praetor just don't under estimate the combo of BS5 and tank hunters on your Tyrants. Master of signal also gets you another augury scanner I think, and bombardment attack.

Yeah, I will have to apologise if my list isn't completely legal since I am using battlescribe until my red books arrive to make the lists.
Ill have to downgrade to rotary cannons, oh well might save me points for MoS
I agree bs5 and tank hunter will be nasty > and normally I would spend the points (although I may do it anyway ) but the local scene for me is very melee orientated which was why I wanted a CC character to back up my tartaros boyz.


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Edited List dropping assault cannons and praetor

+++ 2.5k Iron Warriors (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) +++
Infantry list

++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2420pts] ++

+ HQ +

Legion Centurion [130pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon
. Consul: Siege Breaker

Legion Centurion [115pts]: Artificer Armour, Refractor Field
. Consul: Master of Signal

+ Elites +

Apothecarion Detachment [150pts]
. Legion Apothecary
. . Additional Wargear: Augury Scanner, Chainsword/Combat Blade
. Legion Apothecary
. . Additional Wargear: Augury Scanner, Chainsword/Combat Blade
. Legion Apothecary
. . Additional Wargear: Augury Scanner, Chainsword/Combat Blade

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery [180pts]: 2x Legion Rapier, Phosphex Canister Shot, Shatter Shell

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery [180pts]: 2x Legion Rapier, Phosphex Canister Shot, Shatter Shell

Legion Terminator Squad [385pts]: 2x Chainfist, 9x Legion Terminators, 2x Plasma Blaster, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon
. Legion Terminator Sergeant: Grenade Harness

+ Troops +

Legion Tactical Squad [245pts]: 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolter

Legion Tactical Squad [245pts]: 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolter

Legion Tactical Squad [245pts]: 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolter

+ Heavy Support +

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad [545pts]: 9x Tyrant Terminator

+ Legion +

Legiones Astartes: IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor

Rite of War: The Hammer of Olympia

++ Total: [2420pts] ++

Tbh I feel like your list is trying to do two things, shoot and CC. While it's nice to try and mix and match, I feel if you dedicate yourself to one or the other you will have more success.

Is this list an idea one or what you currently have in your collection? If it's the former I would advocate dropping the tartaros completely for some vindicators for some sweet AP2 shooting.

Also remember that without the Praetor you don't have a model with the Master of the Legion rule to enable you to use the RoW.

And like I said before I see little point in committing to the Olympia RoW without actually using all 4 of your heavy Support slots it gives you. While rapid firing and charging with tacticals is ok, it's not awesome, especially if your local meta focuses on CC.

I think that if you built a strong shooting list you would be able to give any of your CC enemies a strong run for their money.

Thanks for the advice Agurus1,
Thanks for pointing out that I didn't have a master of the legion, oops forgot I needed one for a ROW

You may be right Ill look at using another ROW to see if there is anything else that catches my fancy, as for the models the only thing I don't have are the mortars and apothecaries for now since I built the list around what I got from the BoP boxes. I think I see more FW artillery purchases in my future ;P

I do have a deredeo dread which has been my primary fire support platform of my 40k BA, which I could take instead of the tartaros termies but I'm concerned a single dread wont last long as all AT will point at it.
Ill give the list another write and maybe use a different ROW.

The deredeo is a sweet platform in my opinion, but yeah if it's the only tank in your army it will get focused down pretty quickly. Then again if you commit to the Olympia RoW and fill those heavy Support slots with some cheap plastic tanks like vindicators, basilisks, or even predators (remember you can take squadrons of up to 3 per slot) then all of the sudden your deredeo has some nice armored buddies to help displace some of your opponents anti-tank.

If you did take this route, I would advise keeping the Tyrants cause they are so dope, but maybe nixing the tartaros, saving them for maybe smaller games, or larger games

I agree with you on both accounts the deredeo is a sweet platform and the tyrants do appear to be very good .

Including some armour doesn't seem like a bad idea and predator autocannons have the much needed power they lack in 40k so ACw/HB sponsons may work well as support platforms.
Will 40k Predators and vindicators be useable in a 30k army?

I think I may go down the arty route though at least that way I can switch to ironfire. This may make investments in vindicators worth while.

Should I reduce the sizes of my squads so that I can afford more armour? Or would breachers be a good idea? I have 60 bodies from BoP so I could make 2x20 man tactical and 2x10 breachers?

Personally, the plastic 40k space marine tank kits are fine for use in 30k (fluffwise the patterns were in existence at the time). Some purists might get bent out of shape cause you didn't pay as much as they did for their resin upgrade kit.

Breachers vs tacticals is really a matter of taste I think. Tacticals bring you more bodies for far less points, while breachers have better staying power vs anything AP3+, especially in CC. Also reroll vs blasts is awesome when it works. My only real problem with breachers is that the same things that tend to kill tacticals in droves also kills breachers almost just as well.

Some good points, ill have to put more thought into it Glad I can use 40k predators and vindicators, just have to collect more now Tank gunline behind Infantry Gunline any1?

How does everyone deal with AV14 and flare shields? While the tyrants are pretty killy against tanks due to sheer weight of fire.
But if I was to have them babysit my arty park at the back they wont get many side shots. Is peoples solution just "Bigger Arty?" or is it more dakka?

Medusas or basilisks can avoid the flare shield cause barrage always hits side armor, so you can pen with those. My personal favorite option is my Primaris Lightning with kraken penetrators.
But if your plan is to stick to plastic, your choices are really just converted medusas for reliable pens, or perhaps vindicators coming at it from the sides, seen some cool plastic conversions turning vindicators into vindicators with laser destroyer arrays which would be devastating from the sides against a Spartan, and very good vs any other tank or MC

So bigger Arty and More Dakka? ;P
yeah that seems like the best solution. Just need to find the points for medusas now
Thanks for the input Agurus saving me a lot of expensive trial and error ;P

Hey man always glad to help a fellow Warsmith

Just need to get these boyz built up now and get my siege train together and I should be ready to take on Terra

Remember though that my opinions are shaped by my experiences and my own trial and error as well as personal preferences. Not to say that I'm not trying to give you the best neutral advice possible, but it's still shaped

Personally I started off small with just big blobs of tacticals with some artillery support and two Master of Signals (this is back when they weren't Support officers), focused my army on endurance and using my sizable fortification collection. when I got my hands on terminators and a Spartan I graduated to Praetor deathstar CC lists using pride of the legion, which only got worse once I got my hands on Perturabo. That army focused on getting Perturabo, along with a chaplain, primes medicae and 10 cataphractii with fist into CC as soon and often as possible. Very one note and boring after a while. Now I'm focusing on shifting over to an Army of Dark Compliance based army, really trying to focus on a theme and army that will keep my entertained over the long haul. Trying to hit that balance of fun to collect, fun to play, and competitive (by that I mean generally capable of winning a battle but not OP) can be hard and time consuming.

In the end, if an CC focused army or shooty, or balanced army appeals more to you, you should go for it, and we will all help you design an army that might work best with that.

am I ready to besiege the palace of Terra yet?

+++ 2.5k Iron Warriors Arty Shield (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) +++
Infantry list

++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2485pts] ++

+ HQ +

Legion Centurion [130pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon
. Consul: Siege Breaker

Legion Centurion [100pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon
. Consul: Delegatus

+ Elites +

Apothecarion Detachment [150pts]
. Legion Apothecary
. . Additional Wargear: Augury Scanner, Chainsword/Combat Blade
. Legion Apothecary
. . Additional Wargear: Augury Scanner, Chainsword/Combat Blade
. Legion Apothecary
. . Additional Wargear: Augury Scanner, Chainsword/Combat Blade

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery [180pts]: 2x Legion Rapier, Phosphex Canister Shot, Shatter Shell

Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery [180pts]: 2x Legion Rapier, Phosphex Canister Shot, Shatter Shell

+ Troops +

Legion Tactical Squad [245pts]: 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolter

Legion Tactical Squad [245pts]: 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolter

Legion Tactical Squad [245pts]: 19x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolter

+ Heavy Support +

Legion Artillery Tank Squadron [465pts]
. Legion Medusa: Phosphex Shells
. Legion Medusa: Phosphex Shells
. Legion Medusa: Phosphex Shells

Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad [545pts]: 9x Tyrant Terminator

+ Legion +

Legiones Astartes: IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor

Rite of War: The Ironfire

++ Total: [2485pts] ++