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Greetings Dakka

We've been out of the loop for a while but there seems to be a little confusion in my group. Basically can the Skathach Wk replace the codex Wk and be used in a Reborn Host?

Are they included in the available units for the Reborn Warhost? If so, yes. If not, no. The Reborn Warhost lists specifically what units may be used. It specifies what rules sources can be used. The special Wraithknight specifies how it can be used and what armies it can be used in. If it does not specify that it can be used in a Reborn Warhost, it cannot be used in a Reborn Warhost.

No they are not one of the options for the Reborn Host

I once thought that you could get around this by including them in a Wraith Host (which can be part of the Reborn Host), but sadly is specifically says a Skathach WK can be included in a Wraith Host "when building a Craftworld Warhost detachment"

However, I am of the opinion that they are still worth taking in an Eldar CAD alongside a Ynnari Reborn Host. I won a local tourney earlier this month using just that. The Inferno Lances are just so much more versatile than the Heavy Wraithcannons.
It also helped that I had WWP WG with D-scythes.

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Currently the only way to take a skathach wraithknight is to be making an Eldar army that has a craft world warhost detachment. Then you also have to take either wraithhost, or wraith construct and it can take the place of the normal wraithknight.

So the answer is currently no, the reborn warhost does not have any way to access taking one. The reborn warhost can take a wraithhost, but they are not a craft world detachment which the RAW currently requires.


Further they cannot be taken in a CAD because that is also not a craft world warhost detachment.

The wraith construct rule for the skathach is very clear with how it can be taken.

blaktoof wrote:
Further they cannot be taken in a CAD because that is also not a craft world warhost detachment.

The wraith construct rule for the skathach is very clear with how it can be taken.

The fact that the Skathach WK is a Lord of War and Faction: Eldar makes it eligible to be taking in an Eldar CAD. The Wraith construct rule does NOT take this away, but rarther clarifies what other ways it can be taken.

 Galef wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
Further they cannot be taken in a CAD because that is also not a craft world warhost detachment.

The wraith construct rule for the skathach is very clear with how it can be taken.

The fact that the Skathach WK is a Lord of War and Faction: Eldar makes it eligible to be taking in an Eldar CAD. The Wraith construct rule does NOT take this away, but rarther clarifies what other ways it can be taken.

The skathach is a LoW and Eldar faction, but includes the rule wraith construct which tells how the model may be taken, much like Ork mekboys have the HQ slot and lone wolves have the elite slot, but have a special rule which limits how they may be taken. Ie they can't be taken as a slotted option for their unit type (elite/HQ) because they each have a special rule for their unit entry which details how they are taken.

I can see your RAI argument that somehow the wraith construct rule appliedls only to the CWE warhost detachment, but it has the RAI conflict that the model is supposed to be rare which is why the warhost detachment can only have 1, but if a CAD could include them they could have 3 of course makes no RAI sense.

However the rule pertains to the Skathach model, not the warhost detachment. If the rule was specifically modifying the warhost it would be mentioned elsewhere.

Further considering the wraith construct rule contains zero wording that it is an additional or other way that it can be taken, makes it difficult to believe it is RAI another way to take it, as there is clearly not RAW supporting such a stance.

Really more HIPWA than RAI - we don't have an indication if Forge World intends for us to be able to use Skathach Wriathknights in a Reborn Warhost.

blaktoof wrote:

 Galef wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
Further they cannot be taken in a CAD because that is also not a craft world warhost detachment.

The wraith construct rule for the skathach is very clear with how it can be taken.

The fact that the Skathach WK is a Lord of War and Faction: Eldar makes it eligible to be taking in an Eldar CAD. The Wraith construct rule does NOT take this away, but rarther clarifies what other ways it can be taken.

The skathach is a LoW and Eldar faction, but includes the rule wraith construct which tells how the model may be taken, much like Ork mekboys have the HQ slot and lone wolves have the elite slot, but have a special rule which limits how they may be taken. Ie they can't be taken as a slotted option for their unit type (elite/HQ) because they each have a special rule for their unit entry which details how they are taken.

I can see your RAI argument that somehow the wraith construct rule appliedls only to the CWE warhost detachment, but it has the RAI conflict that the model is supposed to be rare which is why the warhost detachment can only have 1, but if a CAD could include them they could have 3 of course makes no RAI sense.

However the rule pertains to the Skathach model, not the warhost detachment. If the rule was specifically modifying the warhost it would be mentioned elsewhere.

Further considering the wraith construct rule contains zero wording that it is an additional or other way that it can be taken, makes it difficult to believe it is RAI another way to take it, as there is clearly not RAW supporting such a stance.

Thats not remotely correct. The Wraith Construct special rule is there so that you can use a single Skathatch in place of a standard Wraithknight in a Wraith Host formation or as a single Wraith Construct when using the Craftworld Warhost Detachment, there is nothing in there that prevents you from taking it as part of an Eldar CAD.

The logic you've applied here would stop people from taking a Court of the Archon as an HQ choice without an Archon due to the Retainer rule, but we all know that isn't the case.

After re-reading the non draft version of the FAQs I must concede that being LoW and Eldar faction is enough based on the Ork mekboy and lone wolf indeed being allowed to be taken as a slotted choice.

Apologies for any confusion.

blaktoof wrote:
After re-reading the non draft version of the FAQs I must concede that being LoW and Eldar faction is enough based on the Ork mekboy and lone wolf indeed being allowed to be taken as a slotted choice.

Apologies for any confusion.

You sir, are a gentleman!

...or a Lady, whichever one is a compliment to you.

 Galef wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
After re-reading the non draft version of the FAQs I must concede that being LoW and Eldar faction is enough based on the Ork mekboy and lone wolf indeed being allowed to be taken as a slotted choice.

Apologies for any confusion.

You sir, are a gentleman!

...or a Lady, whichever one is a compliment to you.

Thanks,

I had remembered, or missions remembered perhaps, the draft FAQs stating that those units could not be taken. The final version indicated otherwise, I could ignore that a d continue to argue simply to argue but really the end goal of YMDC should be to find the right answer, or most agreeable alternative. It shouldn't be simply to argue, or to argue until you are the last person willing to post something thereby somehow "winning"


Congratulations on your tournament win.

Very interesting. So unless the Skathach is taken as part of a Wraith Host it can't be included in a Reborn Warhost. Which is a pity since I quite like them. Thanks guys!

Entropy Tango wrote:
Very interesting. So unless the Skathach is taken as part of a Wraith Host it can't be included in a Reborn Warhost. Which is a pity since I quite like them. Thanks guys!

There is no "unless...". The Skathach WK can only be taken in an Eldar CAD, A Wraith Host specifically taken in a Craftworld Warhost, or as a Wraith Construct auxiliary as part of a Craftworld Warhost
Simply taking a Wraith Host (whether in a Reborn host or as a stand alone formation) is not sufficient to take a Skathach WK.