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Chaos Lt on a bike, bike upgraded with Plasma guns, Add Daemonic Talons, Daemonic Mutation and Daemonic Strength .  That gives you:
ws5 bs5 s5 t5 w2 i5 a5(+1 from talons) ld10 sv3+
Turbo Boost, Rending, Twin-Linked Plasma Guns with no overheat.  Costing you only 120 points.

   
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Planet of Dakka

1)one special weapon/bike

2)you cant have talons on a biker because they count as -2- ccw weapons,bikers having only 1


3)i can get a DP for 137pts with
2 ccw 2pt
daemon armour 10pts
d. essence 15pts
d. strength 5pts
d. mutation 10pts
d.resistance 10pts
d. stature 15pts
d. flight 10pts ->137pts
All this for 17 more points and a higher efficientcy than your biker.


4)its one bike in a squadron that doesnt inspire fear and gets gunned down as easily as a marine.why do you want that?

5)how do you get 5 bs?

6)the whole squad ends up a little costly for what it does



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Rough Rider with Boomstick





Swerike

And were is your rules question?

With the galaxy as large as it is the odds of the average guardsmen seeing and fighting a marine or MEQ are relatively slim. Unfortunately the guardsmen in your (and anyone else who plays IG's) army are the REALLY, REALLY LUCKY ones that fight marines ALL the time... 
   
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1) Twin Linked is the plural, sorry.
2) Talons are not 2 close combat weapons, it's not a weapon at all, it says model "counts as having two close combat weapons" I don't think this is illegal.
3)A Monsterous creature is easier to hit and flying is slower with no invulnerable save...
4) No squadron, one independant character on a bike. He cannot be targeted if there is another unit closer, So troops with marks and infiltrate keep him covered.
5)BS 5, Chaos Lt, in the rulebook. (pg 22)
6) My question is seriously how chhesy is this?  Sorry I didn't phrase it well.

   
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Making Stuff






Under the couch

1) Twin Linked is the plural, sorry.

You can't have twin linked plasma guns. As per the bike entry, the combi-bolter may be upgraded to a meltagun or plasmagun. There is simply no way given to gain a twin-linked plasmagun on the bike.



Talons are not 2 close combat weapons

...counts as having two close combat weapons


...enough said, really.
Although that doesn't stop you from taking them. It simply means that you don't gain the +1 for having a second weapon, as this is already provided by the bike. The Chaos Codex doesn't require one hand free for the bike.


My question is seriously how chhesy is this?


There is no cheese. There is simply a codex, with a number of legal options.

 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Los Angeles

Yeah, this definitely isn't the place where you'll find a flock of posters crying Cheese and Beard. You might want to hit up the EoT, Warseer, well, most other 40k boards on the web. There you'll find plenty of people happy to decry anything useful.

"The last known instance of common sense happened at a GT. A player tried to use the 'common sense' argument vs. Mauleed to justify his turbo-boosted bikes getting a saving throw vs. Psycannons. The player's resulting psychic death scream erased common sense from the minds of 40k players everywhere. " - Ozymandias 
   
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I think it's funny that on Warseer, when I fight against calling something cheese, I get accused of being a troll.
   
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Fresh-Faced New User




So the bike rule takes precedence over the Dem. Talons "always counts as having 2nd cc weapon"?

   
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Making Stuff






Under the couch

Not exactly. He counts as having a second weapon, he just doesn't get any additional bonus for it, because he already got the bonus from the bike.

 
   
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The answer is very easy if you read the rule book and faq.

"models mounted on a space marine bike gain no bonus for being armed with an additona close combat weapon"

pg 16 of the chaos codex.

"Special abilities that nuffily the +1 attack gained from addtional weapon can be used to nullify the +1 attack gained by daemoic talons and daemonic venom" CSM_faq_v4.0
   
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Lexington, KY

Not only is that lieutenant not particularly cheesy, it's not particularly good.

While I'm normally in the "rending is so good it's killing 40k" camp, this is a case where rending is pretty much useless -- you're getting rending attacks where you could get power weapon attacks for 5 points more (and then have more room left over in your wargear allotment, no less). When it comes to ICs, talons are only viable* on a couple of configurations of statured lords -- where you get power attacks anyway.

* I'm defining a configuration of offensive abilities as viable if there exist no cheaper configurations which kill more MEQs per turn. By this definition, there's at least one viable setup with talons, but it only shows up on lords with stature.

Stop trolling us so Lowinor and I can go back to beating each other's faces in. -pretre 
   
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Lexington, KY

Also, as previously said, the plasma gun is not twin-linked, and does suffer from overheating -- bikes are very specifically not vehicles, so they do not grant immunity to the Gets Hot rule.

Stop trolling us so Lowinor and I can go back to beating each other's faces in. -pretre 
   
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Los Angeles

bikes are very specifically not vehicles, so they do not grant immunity to the Gets Hot rule.


It's been almost a year since I've played a game of 40k, and I don't have my rulebook at work, but are you sure about that? I feel like plasma guns mounted to the bike itself, as opposed to those carried by a rider, don't suffer from it.

But again: it's been a long while.

"The last known instance of common sense happened at a GT. A player tried to use the 'common sense' argument vs. Mauleed to justify his turbo-boosted bikes getting a saving throw vs. Psycannons. The player's resulting psychic death scream erased common sense from the minds of 40k players everywhere. " - Ozymandias 
   
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Lexington, KY

It's been almost a year since I've played a game of 40k, and I don't have my rulebook at work, but are you sure about that? I feel like plasma guns mounted to the bike itself, as opposed to those carried by a rider, don't suffer from it.

Page 53 states pretty clearly that bikes aren't vehicles, and the Gets Hot rule refers to the model -- mounting on the bike vs. carried by the rider effects some aspects of firing (e.g., weapons mounted on the bike are basically on a stable platform), but Gets Hot applies to non-vehicular models, which bikes definitely are, regardless of where the weapon is mounted.

Stop trolling us so Lowinor and I can go back to beating each other's faces in. -pretre 
   
 
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