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Gave Space Wolves a go.

I love the idea of bringing mastodon full of troops to the major battleline while having mobility through others ways (jump packs, wolf scouts skill). I havent figured out stratagems yet.

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HQ
WOLF-GUARD BATTLE LEADER in terminator armor ---92
-Storm-Bolter and Power Sword
WOLF-GUARD BATTLE LEADER in terminator armor ---92
-Storm-Bolter and Power Sword


TROOPS
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---81
- four with boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- one wields combi-flamer
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---81
- four with boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- one wields combi-flamer
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---81
- four with boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- one wields combi-flamer
WOLF SCOUTS, 5models ---90
- five with sniper rifles and camo cloaks
WOLF SCOUTS, 5models ---65
- four with boltguns, kraks & fraks, boltpistols
- one with Heavy-Bolter, kraks&fraks, boltpistol
WOLF SCOUTS, 5models ---65
- four with boltguns, kraks & fraks, boltpistols
- one with Heavy-Bolter, kraks&fraks, boltpistol


ELITES
WOLF GUARD, 5 models ---105
- all with Chainswords and Stormshields + jump packs
WOLF GUARD, 5 models ---105
- all with Chainswords and Stormshields + jump packs
VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT --- 145
- Fenrisian Great Axe and Blizzard Shield
VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT ---145
- Fenrisian Great Axe and Blizzard Shield


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LORD OF WARS
RELIC MASTODON SUPER HEAVY TRANSPORT --- 850
- Curshing tracks, two heavy flamers, two lascannons, skyreaper battery, siege melta array
=1997

HQs, Dreads, and Grey Hunters go to Mastodon. Others deploy as I see fit, one wcout group being dedicated leader bully/monster bully with their snipers. Dont know if Mastodon is just ridicilously over-priced, but I just love the model.

I don't have my Index on me at the moment but you might have a few points errors.
Power Swords for example cost 4 points each.
I don't have the Forgeworld book so I'm clueless on the Mastedon.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I don't have my Index on me at the moment but you might have a few points errors.
Power Swords for example cost 4 points each.
I don't have the Forgeworld book so I'm clueless on the Mastedon.

Oh you seem to be correct...

What you think about overall composition with troops and elites?

Well the Mastodon is absolutely HUGE. No way that could ever navigate our gaming table. You must play on more sparse tables I guess.

Can't really tell if the list is effective since I know nothing about the Mastodon and it's weaponry, but it looks to be super expensive (points & €€€).

Moreover Wolf Scouts are Elite picks so your list is illegal, can only fit 6 elites in a Battalion.

I think the Mastodon is a really cool model. It's absolutely HUGE, well armed & armored...

BUT... That being said, at that points level, it's way too much of an investment in one model. It basically gives your opponent's entire army one thing to shoot at in the opening turns; any list that's packed with a lot of melta/lance/las weaponry will take a metric ton of wounds off of it fairly quickly.

And as brought up above, maneuvering that thing across most battlefields will be a nightmare.

I'd love to own a Mastodon at some point, just to cart Arjac and a whole lotta WG Terminators with him, but it's just not a practical use of points at a lower level.

Thanks for the replies, gotta step back and go back to drawing board (dont know how I missed scouts being elites, not troops).

Yes I imagine Mastodon's size being a challenge.

I am fairly confident though, as making it draw fire is something I actually want.

[VANGUARD DETACHMENT]
HQ
WOLF-GUARD BATTLE LEADER in terminator armor ---96
-Storm-Bolter and Power Sword

TROOPS
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---81
- four with boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- one wields combi-flamer
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---81
- four with boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- one wields combi-flamer
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---81
- four with boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- one wields combi-flamer

ELITES
WOLF GUARD, 5 models ---105
- boltgun, stormshields, krak & frag. jump-packs
WOLF GUARD, 5 models ---105
- boltgun, stormshields, krak & frag, jump-packs
VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT --- 145
- Fenrisian Great Axe and Blizzard Shield
VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT ---145
- Fenrisian Great Axe and Blizzard Shield
WOLF SCOUTS, 5models ---90
- five with sniper rifles and camo cloaks

FAST ATTACK
SKYCLAWS, 5 models ---80
- chainsword, krak & frag, bolt pistols, jump-packs
- wolf guard leader
SKYCLAWS, 5 models ---80
- chainsword, krak & frag, bolt pistols, jump-packs
- wolf guard leader

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LORD OF WARS
RELIC MASTODON SUPER HEAVY TRANSPORT --- 850
- Crushing tracks, two heavy flamers, two lascannons, skyreaper battery, siege melta array

= 1939
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New iteration, and ended up below 2000points. Changed to Vanguard detachment to allow 1HQ. Dont know what to do with remaining points. Some pointers;
- I am unsure about Wolf Guard being without transport, though they come with jump-packs
- unsure about having Wolf Scouts, are they worth it will they be able to pick out juicy targets?
- could always put more into HQ
- added Skyclaws would be deployed to the skies, from where they drop in to tie key enemy units into CC.

Tactics:
Mastodon takes the heavy presence, carrying grey hunters and dreads to point of interest. Skyclaws drop from the sky to face-smack some units, Wolf Scouts act as a harasser from flank/backside. Wolf Guards footslog/jump-da-jump wherever I see fit, to an objective or to challenge some battleline.

Grey Hunters - You need a Wolf Guard Pack Leader to take a combi-weapon in a GH pack, I believe, which means you need at minimum, 6 models. You can take a special weapon in a unit of 5, but you have to pay extra;

BigPapaSeels wrote:
Grey Hunters - You need a Wolf Guard Pack Leader to take a combi-weapon in a GH pack, I believe, which means you need at minimum, 6 models. You can take a special weapon in a unit of 5, but you have to pay extra;

Oh you are correct, another part that I missed. Yeah I most likely drop the idea of a flamer, gives me even more points to play with (94).

Eh, I run a unit of 10 and two units of 5 in my list, and I still keep Plasma guns in the 5 man units.

Thanks for big contribution BigPapaSeels!

Last iteration of my list (possibly), I removed Wolf Scouts to play with the list and I ended up fitting flamers for Grey Hunters and taking Predator with Twin-Lascannons as Heavy Support.

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HQ
WOLF-GUARD BATTLE LEADER in terminator armor ---96
-Storm-Bolter and Power Sword


TROOPS
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---79
- boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- flamer
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---79
- boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- flamer
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---79
- boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- flamer


ELITES
WOLF GUARD, 5 models ---105
- boltgun, stormshields, krak & frag, jump-packs
WOLF GUARD, 5 models ---105
- boltgun, stormshields, krak & frag, jump-packs
VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT ---145
- Fenrisian Great Axe and Blizzard Shield
VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT ---145
- Fenrisian Great Axe and Blizzard Shield


FAST ATTACK
SKYCLAWS, 5 models ---80
- chainsword, krak & frag, bolt pistols, jump-packs
- wolf guard leader
SKYCLAWS, 5 models ---80
- chainsword, krak & frag, bolt pistols, jump-packs
- wolf guard leader

HEAVY SUPPORT
PREDATOR ---152
-Twin-Lascannon

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LORD OF WARS
RELIC MASTODON SUPER HEAVY TRANSPORT --- 850
- Curshing tracks, two heavy flamers, two lascannons, skyreaper battery, siege melta array

= 1995

Getting there! Looking better and better the more you tweak it. If I could make one last recommendation though -

I'd almost ditch one unit of Skyclaws and try and get some combi-plasma on one of your jump-pack WG units. That way you'd have a mobile unit that could hunt down bigger targets of opportunity. With jump-packs and storm shields, you're mobile and tougher to kill off, but with just plain old bolters you won't be more than a minor annoyance. One unit of WG with jump-packs, storm shields, and combi-plasma though? That's a unit that can wreck something quickly.

BigPapaSeels wrote:
Getting there! Looking better and better the more you tweak it. If I could make one last recommendation though -

I'd almost ditch one unit of Skyclaws and try and get some combi-plasma on one of your jump-pack WG units. That way you'd have a mobile unit that could hunt down bigger targets of opportunity. With jump-packs and storm shields, you're mobile and tougher to kill off, but with just plain old bolters you won't be more than a minor annoyance. One unit of WG with jump-packs, storm shields, and combi-plasma though? That's a unit that can wreck something quickly.

An idea that could work. Would you concentrate all Combi-Plasma on one WG unit, or give both of them a few? I liked idea of having two units of Skyclaws to sacrifice on some blobs I need to halt, but guess Combi-Plasma also brings in some juice.

Ilgoth wrote:

BigPapaSeels wrote:
Getting there! Looking better and better the more you tweak it. If I could make one last recommendation though -

I'd almost ditch one unit of Skyclaws and try and get some combi-plasma on one of your jump-pack WG units. That way you'd have a mobile unit that could hunt down bigger targets of opportunity. With jump-packs and storm shields, you're mobile and tougher to kill off, but with just plain old bolters you won't be more than a minor annoyance. One unit of WG with jump-packs, storm shields, and combi-plasma though? That's a unit that can wreck something quickly.

An idea that could work. Would you concentrate all Combi-Plasma on one WG unit, or give both of them a few? I liked idea of having two units of Skyclaws to sacrifice on some blobs I need to halt, but guess Combi-Plasma also brings in some juice.

I'd disperse them and splash for a Wolf Lord with Jump Pack or TDA, my preference is the Jump Pack for mobility although I saw a guy running White Scars use a TDA Captain and fight the units together to good effect.
Anyway, drop the Lord on the unit that is most likely to be overcharging the Plasma.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


I'd disperse them and splash for a Wolf Lord with Jump Pack or TDA, my preference is the Jump Pack for mobility although I saw a guy running White Scars use a TDA Captain and fight the units together to good effect.
Anyway, drop the Lord on the unit that is most likely to be overcharging the Plasma.

Upgrading Wolf Lord to Jump Pack takes more points, and Ive liked the idea of him being in the frontline with the Mastodon main force. I also believe that is where the re-rolls will also be the most useful, no? Of course it would be great to have him close to WG Plasma guys, but is'nt that a pretty big gamble to guess where you roll ones? Statistically its most obviously going to happen where you roll most. More rolls, more possible re-rolls --> more usage out of the rule.

Also I have to ask to be certain; Mastodon has following faction keywords: "Imperium, Adeptus Astartes, (CHAPTER)". Does this mean it gets Space Wolves faction keyword, in other words, also able to use the re-roll from the leader?

Alright, here's one more version. I gotta ask: is there price for jump-pack and where do I find it? Havent found, and it makes me feel uncomfortable looney.

[VANGUARD DETACHMENT]
HQ
WOLF-GUARD BATTLE LEADER in terminator armor ---96
-Storm-Bolter and Power Sword

TROOPS
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---79
- boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- flamer
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---79
- boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- flamer
GREY HUNTERS, 5 models ---79
- boltguns, kraks & frags, boltpistols
- flamer

ELITES
WOLF GUARD, 5 models ---105
- boltgun, stormshields, krak & frag. jump-packs
WOLF GUARD, 5 models ---105
- all combi-plasma, stormshields, krak & frag, jump-packs
VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT ---145
- Fenrisian Great Axe and Blizzard Shield
VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT ---145
- Fenrisian Great Axe and Blizzard Shield


FAST ATTACK
SKYCLAWS, 5 models ---80
- chainsword, krak & frag, bolt pistols, jump-packs
- wolf guard leader

HEAVY SUPPORT
PREDATOR ---152
-Twin-Lascannon

[SUPER-HEAVY AUXILIARY DETACHMENT]
LORD OF WARS
RELIC MASTODON SUPER HEAVY TRANSPORT --- 850
- Crushing tracks, two heavy flamers, two lascannons, skyreaper battery, siege melta array
= 1990

In answer to your question there's no separate cost for jump packs. Jump pack units have a separate entry under points values in the Index

Your WGBL should be 98 points. I would be inclined to take a storm shield on him for survivability though. How are you planning to deploy him? In the Mastodon with the Grey Hunters? a PA WGBL is much better value with a storm shield and you could give him a thunder hammer too.

If you are wanting a deep-striking warlord to help with overcharging your WG plasma shots then you need a Wolf Lord instead (with a jump pack or in terminator armour) for the re-rolls to hit.

You can take chainswords on all your Grey Hunters as a free upgrade, don't forget them.

I would ditch the Skyclaws. Wolf Guard with storm bolters and chainswords are very efficient at 23 points each. Maybe add a power weapon on the pack leader to make them an assault threat. Jump Pack Wolf Guard with storm shields cost 26 points each or 28 with a storm bolter which is a little too much for a 1w model that can be easily killed with weight of small arms fire.

Also, I don't think you need so many storm shields on your wolf guard because you have bigger threats in your army which will be attracting most of your opponent's anti-armour guns already. Maybe put two on the combi-plas guard and some chainswords and a power weapon to give them some close-combat capability. Leave the others with storm bolters and chainswords to keep them cheap. They can drop to take an objective or bolster your battle line.

860 points for the Mastodon is a big points sink at this level. You can take a Spartan Assault Tank or 2 Landraiders for that much and still have change left to spend on bodies on the ground. You would need something like a full unit of Wulfen and a max Bloodclaw squad with Ragnar and other characters to make it worthwhile. And at 2000 points how many targets will your opponent have that you'll want to focus that much of your army on? You could find the lack of tactical flexibility a bit frustrating.

Thanks for the reply Dark Chief, I appreciate it. But I have to say you quite efficiently re-wrote half of the list with that suggestion. Mastodon is something I want to keep, for thematic reasons. Also the fact that I always design the list before owning any models, and I also keep 3000 point list in mind with it. I want to include Mastodon there, and figured I simply have it here as well. To learn it, and see how it works out.

Most likely I let the list remain somewhat as it is until I try it, and expand to 3000. I dont play too much, I'm mainly a collector who always tries to design a usable list for the collection.

At 3000 the Mastodon would be awesome.

I certainly hope so. I like the idea of big fist of hate going in for a ram on barricades, and good number of space vikings coming out. Most likely Mastodon will be the last piece I buy for this list, that thing costs as much as rest of the project.