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Let's say a Lord of Change is on his very last wound and a GK unit puts a storm bolter save on him. One wound, one save of 3++. The LoC fails the save and uses the Impossible Robes ability to reroll the save, which reroll results in a 1. Per the Robes' special ability, "the wearer is immediately slain." Daemonic Incursion says, "Use this stratagem when one of your DAEMON units is destroyed by a GK unit."

Does the "immediately slain" of the Robes happen before the final wound is removed from the LoC, thereby negating the possibility of using the Incursion stratagem?

.. I think it's fair to say the wound was caused by the GK unit, even if it triggered some wargear ability.

Talk about a corner case lol.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
.. I think it's fair to say the wound was caused by the GK unit, even if it triggered some wargear ability.

Talk about a corner case lol.

Agreed.

Slain and Destroyed are synonymous. Flees is not.

Alternatively, why would a Lord of Change trigger the impossible robe death clause at all? He add 1 to any inv. saving throw, meaning rolling a 1 is impossible in the first place as it becomes a 2.

VoidSempai wrote:
Alternatively, why would a Lord of Change trigger the impossible robe death clause at all? He add 1 to any inv. saving throw, meaning rolling a 1 is impossible in the first place as it becomes a 2.

A 1 always fails for To Hit, To Wound and To Save rolls, regardless of modifiers. Page 181 BRB.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

VoidSempai wrote:
Alternatively, why would a Lord of Change trigger the impossible robe death clause at all? He add 1 to any inv. saving throw, meaning rolling a 1 is impossible in the first place as it becomes a 2.

A 1 always fails for To Hit, To Wound and To Save rolls, regardless of modifiers. Page 181 BRB.

I know, but the impossible robe says that '' On a roll of 1, the bearer is immediatly slain''. But Ephemeral form add 1 to any saving throw. Even if a 1 is rolled and is a failed, it never actually triggers the impossible robes because it checks the trigger after modificator.
The impossible robe death clause basically only matters if you give it to a CSM Daemon prince, or if you can remove Inv. saves such as with death hex.

VoidSempai wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

VoidSempai wrote:
Alternatively, why would a Lord of Change trigger the impossible robe death clause at all? He add 1 to any inv. saving throw, meaning rolling a 1 is impossible in the first place as it becomes a 2.

A 1 always fails for To Hit, To Wound and To Save rolls, regardless of modifiers. Page 181 BRB.

I know, but the impossible robe says that '' On a roll of 1, the bearer is immediatly slain''. But Ephemeral form add 1 to any saving throw. Even if a 1 is rolled and is a failed, it never actually triggers the impossible robes because it checks the trigger after modificator.
The impossible robe death clause basically only matters if you give it to a CSM Daemon prince, or if you can remove Inv. saves such as with death hex.

Ah, I see. Yes, that is a very good point!

Hmmm it should really say natural one, huh.
One for the faq.

Op addressed in the new FAQ. Maybe GW reads Dakka??

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Op addressed in the new FAQ. Maybe GW reads Dakka??

Sometimes I hope not.

But hopefully people keep emailing sensible questions to their faq inbox.

Now if only FW could do the same.

FAQ came out and answered this:

Q: If a Grey Knights unit deals the final wound on a Daemon
equipped with the Impossible Robe, the player uses the
Robe to re-roll the failed save, and the result is a 1 (meaning
the Daemon is immediately slain), does the Daemon count as
being slain by a Grey Knight unit for purposes of using the
Daemonic Incursion Stratagem?
A: Yes.