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I'm just trying to wrap my head around the winning Eldar/Ynnari list from LVO. And as someone who plays both eldar and ynnari, I want to make sure i'm getting this right. If i'm running an eldar battleforged army, and one of the detachments within it is a ynnari detachment led by Yvraine, I can assign different craftworld attributes to different units within the ynnari detachment? The winning LVO lists had a few different detachments in it, the pure craftworld detachments were all alaitoc, no issue there. But the ynnari detachment had dark reapers in it with alaitoc craftworld attribute, and shining spears with saim-han craftworld attribute. I still don't get how this is legal, because it seems way too good.

It's not illegal. You chose the <Craftworld> keyword when you put that unit into your list. There are benefits to having all of the same within detachments, of course, but no rules that state you must.
I often stick Three Tallarn Guardsmen in guard formations for the same reason.

is there a FAQ or offical GW statement that clarifies this?

Doesn't the start of the Craftworlds specific rules state explicitly that if a unit is taken as part of a Ynnari list it immediately loses it's Craftworld attribute? I thought this was clear so I'm unsure as to why someone has been able to abuse this?

I am really curious about this too - it works out on average to having around an extra 20+ CP. I know sometimes LVO uses their own house rules - maybe this is one of those cases.

Maybe it is an LVO specific rule? IDK. I do know that having your dark reapers have -1 to hit while your shining spears can advance and then still charge is just broken good.




http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/01/40k-the-unbeatable-list-lvo-2018.html



That's a link to the list.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
It's not illegal. You chose the <Craftworld> keyword when you put that unit into your list. There are benefits to having all of the same within detachments, of course, but no rules that state you must.
I often stick Three Tallarn Guardsmen in guard formations for the same reason.

You will never see anyone but ynnari doing this effectively because only ynnari can take advantage of it. If you put a catachan infantry unit into a cadian detachment - EVERY SINGLE UNIT IN THAT DETACHMENT LOSES IT'S REGALEMENT BONUS and they would get nothing for it (much like any other mixed detachment in the game). Ynnari detachments shut down any craftwolrd traits but in return give you Ynnari ones (soulburst). Becoming ynnari does not take away your craftworld keyword though (which it should) so you can still use the craftworld stratagems on the ynnari units (GW has a hard time with in depth thinking - I don't even think they understand how this list works ether). Overall though - this issue stems from poor rules design. There will be more interactions like this and each one is going to require a FAQ which means you are going to have to do diligent research to figure out how your army plays or if your opponent is playing correctly.


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 peteralmo wrote:
Maybe it is an LVO specific rule? IDK. I do know that having your dark reapers have -1 to hit while your shining spears can advance and then still charge is just broken good.




http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/01/40k-the-unbeatable-list-lvo-2018.html



That's a link to the list.

It doesn't work like that. The Ynnari dark reapers do not have a craftworld attribute - they lose it. They do retain the ability to use craft-world stratagems though.

No - they don't do this to gain the Craft World attribute (which they lose) they do it to gain access to the specific stratagems. It doesn't matter than the spears are in a Ynnari detachment, they're still a legal target for the Saim Hann stratagem (unlocked by a pure CWE detachment) that allows a unit to advance and charge. The reapers are Alatioc so that they're eligible for Forewarned from an Alatioc Farseer.

The Craftworlds aren't chosen for attributes but for stratagem interaction and transport keywords.

Ok I see, you're getting access to the stratagems, not the attributes, it makes sense now, still super strong though.

[Shurgs] You see it my lists, Xenomancer.

If I take an Assassin, or Several, I've lost my Regimental bonuses anyway. That means it's easy to shove a few tallarn units in to Outflank, a Vostoyan Veteran squad to give +1 to Hit, and everything else be Cadian for focused fire.


There's no way this requires clarifying. It's spelled out perfectly clearly in all the relevent books.

The suggestion that the Ynnariification of a detachment removes it's <Craftworld> tag is perfectly fair.

 peteralmo wrote:
Ok I see, you're getting access to the stratagems, not the attributes, it makes sense now, still super strong though.

yes its probably more potent than it should be (and I both collect and play the armies in question) but currently that's why those lists are structured in the fashion that they are.