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2018/03/22 05:03:33
Subject: [2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Blob
Look annoying enough?
Astra Militarum Brigade Detachment
Company Commander 30
Company Commander 30
Primaris Psyker 46
Primaris Psyker 46
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (mortar); 9 Guardsmen; vox-caster 50
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (mortar); 9 Guardsmen; vox-caster 50
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (mortar); 9 Guardsmen; vox-caster 50
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (mortar); 9 Guardsmen; vox-caster 50
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (mortar); 9 Guardsmen; vox-caster 50
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (mortar); 9 Guardsmen; vox-caster 50
5 Ratlings 45
5 Ratlings 45
5 Ratlings 45
Hellhound: heavy flamer 110
Hellhound: heavy flamer 110
Hellhound: heavy flamer 110
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × autocannon 54
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × heavy bolter 42
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × heavy bolter 42
Allied Astra Militarum Spearhead Detachment 1
Tank Commander: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters; storm bolter 227
Leman Russ Conquoror : pintel storm bolter 155
Leman Russ Conquoror : pintel storm bolter 155
Manticore 143
Allied Astra Militarum Spearhead Detachment 2
Company Commander 30
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × lascannon 78
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × lascannon 78
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × lascannon 78
1,999 points
Power Rating 110
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2018/03/22 14:10:29
Subject: Re:[2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Looks awesome.
One thing people usually recommend is to mix up your heavy weapon teams, because those 3x lascannon squads are going to be prime targets for your opponents.
You could put them in the inf squads instead of the mortars.
Most people drop the vox casters as well (even though they are cool), just because 6x5 almost nets you another squad, and in the guard more is always better!
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2018/03/22 14:45:02
Subject: Re:[2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Furious Fire Dragon
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I would agree with the above post. Re-arrange the weapon teams to better protect your lascannons. Spreading two of those teams into your infantry squads will protect them better, and mortars can fire without los, so putting 3 in a squad behind los blocking terrain (if there is any) will be safer.
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For Khaela Mensha Khaine
For the Emperor and Sanguinius!
DS:90+S++G+++MB--IPw40k15#+D+A+/mWD-R+T(T)DM+ |
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2018/03/22 14:51:15
Subject: Re:[2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
Ottawa
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This is an army after my own heart!
For heavy weapons teams, I usually go the other way around: mortars in their own dedicated heavy weapons squads, lascannons in infantry squads. For one thing, like Coffee123 says, pure lascannon squads are prime targets. For another, mortars don't need line of sight, which means they can be hidden within or behind the largest piece of scenery you have. (So it's best not to put them in units that need line of sight or that may have to rush forward to seize objectives.)
If you field 3 x mortar squads (99 pts) and 6 x infantry squads with lascannons (390 pts) instead of those 3 lascannon squads and 6 infantry squads with mortars (534 pts), you free up 45 points. That's more than enough to add lascannons to your other two Russes. This means you have one less lascannon than originally, but two of your lascannons are now mounted on 12-Wound, T8, 3+ save models, instead of being super squishy.
Another thing. I think those infantry squads should have special weapons instead of vox casters. If you can free up the points for some flamers and plasma guns, it'll add a lot more punch to yor infantry.
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Cadians, Sisters of Battle (Argent Shroud), Drukhari (Obsidian Rose)
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2018/03/23 15:30:19
Subject: [2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Guys, I REALLY appreciate the feedback. Still trying to adjust away from my mech veteran guard of earlier days. How does this look?
Blob V2
Astra Militarum Spearhead (armored division)
Tank Commander: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters 225
Leman Russ Conqueror: lascannon 167
Leman Russ Conqueror: lascannon 167
Manticore 143
Allied Astra Militarum Spearhead (artillary crew)
Company Commander: boltgun 31
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Allied Astra Militarum Brigade Detachment (Cadian Gunline)
Company Commander: boltgun; Master of Command; The Laurels of Command 31
Company Commander: boltgun 31
Primaris Psyker 46
Primaris Psyker 46
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen 60
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen 60
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen 60
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen 60
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen 60
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen 60
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (mortar); 9 Guardsmen 45
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (mortar); 9 Guardsmen 45
5 Ratlings 45
5 Ratlings 45
5 Ratlings 45
Hellhound: heavy flamer 110
Hellhound: heavy flamer 110
Hellhound: heavy flamer 110
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
2,000 points
Power Rating 118
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2018/03/23 15:36:12
Subject: Re:[2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Drop the Hellhounds for Rough Riders, or Scout Sentinals, and drop the Ratlings for Command Squads with moar lascannons.
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2018/03/23 16:21:25
Subject: [2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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I don't have any Rough Riders and I only have one Sentinal. I was trying to find a use for some of these old Chimeras... maybe Hellhounds are a bit costly, but.... Dunno. I want to model them.
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2018/03/23 16:26:24
Subject: Re:[2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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They're a very short ranged unit in a very long ranged gunline with no means of advancing or support them and no means of delivering them for an outflank. It's a lot of points to tie up in that role, and you need more screens than unreliable ratlings.
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2018/03/23 17:15:26
Subject: Re:[2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Furious Fire Dragon
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I would also suggest trying to find the points for Pask, since you're already playing cadian. For only 10 extra points you get +1 bs, and +1 tank order.
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For Khaela Mensha Khaine
For the Emperor and Sanguinius!
DS:90+S++G+++MB--IPw40k15#+D+A+/mWD-R+T(T)DM+ |
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2018/03/23 22:38:51
Subject: [2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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My plan for the hellhounds was essentially using them as a screen. They are big pieces of cover that can block LOS and meet any infantry trying to smash into my gun line. They are also useful to clear alpha striking units after they’ve totaled a squad of infantry or heavy weapons teams. I do see that they aren’t really in the theme of this list, but I really don’t have other fast attack options for the army. I could forget using a brigade all together and put the points into another slot...
I should use Pask. I forget that way too often.
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2018/03/23 23:03:34
Subject: Re:[2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Regular Dakkanaut
Denmark
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If you play competitively, having something that can scout and deny deepstrikers is really valuable. Like others have mentioned, the scout sentinels are good for that even though they might seem week compared to the armored sentinel.
Also, have you considered putting a plasma gun in thoes Lascannon squads? It's only 7points and together with the lascannon, provides a nice punch-package with 6 surplus wounds for only 67 points in total
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2018/03/24 00:03:39
Subject: [2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Ok blob version 3 (will need to buy two scorn sentinels, so let me know if you guys think this is strong....
Blob V3
Astra Militarum
Tank Commander: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters; hunter-killer missile 231
Leman Russ Conqueror: lascannon; hunter-killer missile 173
Leman Russ Conqueror: lascannon; hunter-killer missile 173
Manticore 143
Manticore 143
Allied Astra Militarum
Company Commander: boltgun 31
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Allied Astra Militarum
Company Commander: boltgun; Master of Command; The Laurels of Command 31
Company Commander: boltgun 31
Primaris Psyker 46
Primaris Psyker 46
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
5 Ratlings 45
5 Ratlings 45
5 Ratlings 45
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
2,000 points
Power Rating 114
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2018/03/24 08:34:57
Subject: Re:[2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Looks pretty good. The point still stands on Pask if you can find the points for him, but otherwise it seems good.
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For Khaela Mensha Khaine
For the Emperor and Sanguinius!
DS:90+S++G+++MB--IPw40k15#+D+A+/mWD-R+T(T)DM+ |
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2018/03/25 06:02:15
Subject: [2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Wait he’s 10 pats more? Remove HK missile and sub Pask.... donezo.
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2018/03/25 08:26:36
Subject: [2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Drop the ratlings; if you *need* snipers take sniper command squads since you have more than enough officers to unlock them.
4x Rerolling to hit snipers for 36 is ver' nice, and you could feasibly squeeze in another squad at the discount.
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2018/03/26 22:18:44
Subject: [2000] - Astra Militarum - Cadian Defense Line
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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Ok. Here’s version 4.
Blob V4
Astra Militarum SPEARHEADED
Knight Commander Pask: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters 235
Leman Russ Conqueror: lascannon 167
Leman Russ Conqueror: lascannon 167
Manticore 143
Manticore 143
Allied Astra Militarum SPEARHEAD
Company Commander 30
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Allied Astra Militarum BRIGADE
Company Commander: boltgun; Master of Command; The Laurels of Command 31
Company Commander: boltgun 31
Primaris Psyker 46
Primaris Psyker 46
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
Command Squad: Veteran Weapons Team (lascannon); 2 × sniper rifle 48
Command Squad: Veteran Weapons Team (lascannon); 2 × sniper rifle 48
Command Squad: Veteran Weapons Team (lascannon); 2 × sniper rifle 48
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
2,000 points
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ratings out, Hunter killer missiles out.
Upgrade tank commander to Pask.
Add 3x command squads..... cr*p... need third commander in that detachment..... hrmmmm. Time for v5 Automatically Appended Next Post: Blob V5
Astra Militarum SPEARHEAD
Knight Commander Pask: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters 235
Leman Russ Conqueror: lascannon; 2 heavy bolters 183
Leman Russ Conqueror: lascannon 167
Manticore 143
Manticore 143
Allied Astra Militarum SPEARHEAD
Company Commander 30
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Allied Astra Militarum BRIGADE
Company Commander: boltgun; Master of Command; The Laurels of Command 31
Company Commander: boltgun 31
Primaris Psyker 46
Company Commander 30
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
10 Guardsmen: Sergeant; Heavy Weapons Team (lascannon); 9 Guardsmen; plasma gun 67
Command Squad: Veteran Weapons Team (lascannon); 2 × sniper rifle 48
Command Squad: Veteran Weapons Team (lascannon); 2 × sniper rifle 48
Command Squad: Veteran Weapons Team (lascannon); 2 × sniper rifle 48
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Scout Sentinel: autocannon 50
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
Heavy Weapons Squad: 3 × mortar 33
2,000 points
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ditched primaris psyker, added company commander and a set of sponson heavy bolters on one of the LRBTs to fill the last 16 points.
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