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I am drawn to either Necron, or Guardsmen, and i saw the start collecting boxes.

They are fairly pricey TBH and i don't want to spend too much in case im not to keen on the army or the game in general.

Are these sets enough to take one box worth down my local hobby shop and have a game? or are the points / army composition not good enough to have a good time with?

How would most people react to having a game that size with a noob player? is that something that's going to see me turned away by most?
Im not sure how the general player base is with welcoming new players.

The sets are $140aud and i don't want to have to get like 2 boxes plus other supplementary models to go with them before jumping in.

Necrons is enough to make 500 points, so yes.

Imperial Guard, not so much. I would recommend the Cadian or Catachan Defense Force boxes instead.


I also cant promise you opponents. I have 500 point lists expressly for the purpose of playing with new players [since I have a few friends who only reasonably can field 500-750 point armies], but I can't guarantee everyone will. The general player base varies from region to region, but I'd say we're a welcoming lot.

Some of them maybe. The ork one surely not because it doesn't include a single HQ.

You need a troop and an HQ to play.

In my area it's fine to play with small armies against noobs to help them learn the game

Dont buy local and the prices are a lot nicer. You can buy direct from shops in the US by sending it to an OZ post forwarding address;

https://shopmate.auspost.com.au/

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:


Imperial Guard, not so much. I would recommend the Cadian or Catachan Defense Force boxes instead.


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Hmm thats a shame the defense force boxes are $130 more then the starter box.
I might have to lean more to the necron box then.

Thanks for the info.


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 Okottekoneko wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:


Imperial Guard, not so much. I would recommend the Cadian or Catachan Defense Force boxes instead.


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Hmm thats a shame the defense force boxes are $130 more then the starter box.
I might have to lean more to the necron box then.

Thanks for the info.

I was actually gonna look at buying via irresistible force, as they have a great online range and they offer afterpay to ease the initial cost impact.

 Okottekoneko wrote:
I am drawn to either Necron, or Guardsmen, and i saw the start collecting boxes.

They are fairly pricey TBH and i don't want to spend too much in case im not to keen on the army or the game in general.

Are these sets enough to take one box worth down my local hobby shop and have a game? or are the points / army composition not good enough to have a good time with?

How would most people react to having a game that size with a noob player? is that something that's going to see me turned away by most?
Im not sure how the general player base is with welcoming new players.

The sets are $140aud and i don't want to have to get like 2 boxes plus other supplementary models to go with them before jumping in.

Rules for Kill Team are coming soon. It's an even smaller battle size than 40k but should share most of the core rules.

In all honesty, if the SC box is a intimidating purchase, this is probably not a good hobby to pick up just for the game alone. But if you want to jump in and play، you're looking at around at least $200 USD for a 1000 point army for most of the factions.

Are you interested in the painting/building aspect? If so, then maybe just picking up models in a faction you like to paint until you eventually have enough for a game might be a better approach. The game really isn't worth it by itself. Don't get me wrong, it's fun, but for the amount spent on a standard 2000 point army, you really need to enjoy the game and the hobby to get your money's worth.

Thats it really, for a full size army, the outlay is a lot if you end up not liking the faction.

I personally would prefer AoS or another fantasy wargame, but the playerbase locally does not really exist, its either 40k or shadespire, and the scale of 40k is more appealing.


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just as a side note, how many points is the starting box for the imps?

If all i need to add is like a basilisk and maybe more heavy weapons or another shock team, i would be happy to do that to make it to the 500-600 small army mark.

I would much prefer to play imps if i can.


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I could just get the cadian box, but i would much prefer artillery over the chimera.

Imp guard SC box is only like 250 points if you streeeeeeetch it out. They are very much a horde faction sadly, all their stuff is very cheap points wise, which means it costs lots of moolah moneywise.

There's also a lot of ways to take Necrons and make them more efficient money wise.

Their basic troop box for the same price of other armies' troop box comes with 12 guys instead of the usual 10, plus several bases of another unit, Canoptek Scarabs. Their elite troop boxes (Lychguard/Praetorians and Immortals/Deathmarks) are only 5-man boxes, but they come with heads, arms, and torsos for the other 5 you didn't build. And necron troop boxes come with extra bodies...you get the idea. Also, two of their vehicles are swappable if you didn't glue the important parts in (The annhi/command barge and the flyer) so you can buy one kit and switch which one you want to use.

the_scotsman wrote:
Imp guard SC box is only like 250 points if you streeeeeeetch it out. They are very much a horde faction sadly, all their stuff is very cheap points wise, which means it costs lots of moolah moneywise.

There's also a lot of ways to take Necrons and make them more efficient money wise.

Their basic troop box for the same price of other armies' troop box comes with 12 guys instead of the usual 10, plus several bases of another unit, Canoptek Scarabs. Their elite troop boxes (Lychguard/Praetorians and Immortals/Deathmarks) are only 5-man boxes, but they come with heads, arms, and torsos for the other 5 you didn't build. And necron troop boxes come with extra bodies...you get the idea. Also, two of their vehicles are swappable if you didn't glue the important parts in (The annhi/command barge and the flyer) so you can buy one kit and switch which one you want to use.

Hmmm, since i am money stressed maybe i should go the recron route as its the cheaper option.

 ingtaer wrote:
Dont buy local and the prices are a lot nicer. You can buy direct from shops in the US by sending it to an OZ post forwarding address;

https://shopmate.auspost.com.au/

If you never buy local it's a great way to kill your place to play.

this aint a hobby for thouse with stingy economy.
it has a high entry fee so the first army is allways the moust expensive one. horde armys is allso naturaly more expencive then elite armys as you need ALOT more actual models in a horde vs elite.
imperial guard is a horde army, necrons is in the middle ground.

Necron SC is very good one. A new Necron SC is on the way, both are great. I started with a single SC last year, then get some immortals, warriors, flayed ones, destroyers, wraiths etc from a friend with very low price. DDA, more cryptek later. Now I have 3000p+ army with small investments in time. You can buy a SC, start to paint them, a few mounths later buy a forgebane and split it with someone (I can easily find 3 people enthusiastic to take AdMech side even in Turkey). Forgebane is another price effective box too. With this two boxes you will have 800-900pts army. Then you can continue buying small packes of your favorite units...

Should also be a lot of new necrons from forgebane boxes being split, ebay etc could be a good playce to get a lot of necrons cheap right now.

If you’re going to spend hours using a game store’s tables and terrain, at least get your paints there. Even the magic players will buy in-store, and half those guys are a wobbly step from a war crime.

If you are looking at getting the necron start collecting box. Then the new version will be up for pre order very soon. It has more models in the box and is higher in points. All you need is another unit of troops and you can make a battlion detachment.

If you are not sure you will like the game check the Facebook page of your local store to see if anyone can give you a starter game using their armies. That way if you don't like the game you don't have to pay anything.

I just added a 500 point army list thread for the Start Collecting! Space Marines box (albeit with the Terminator Captain replaced by a Terminator Librarian). It might be useful to have army list threads based on the other Start Collecting! boxes too (or at least those with an HQ).

 Okottekoneko wrote:
If all i need to add is like a basilisk and maybe more heavy weapons or another shock team, i would be happy to do that to make it to the 500-600 small army mark.

I would much prefer to play imps if i can.

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I could just get the cadian box, but i would much prefer artillery over the chimera.

Two things to consider -

1. Up front costs can be high but think about the $$ for what it is: a one-time expenditure/investment. Once you've bought those IG models, they're yours forever and you can use them forever (pending some insane changes or discontinuation [which would prob. NEVER happen]). There are tons of people on here who've got old models from ages ago and they're still using them (see any/all SOB players/collectors).

2. If you really feel yourself wanting a particular faction just go for it. Better to be happy with your choice vs spending on something else. Plus, you can build your army over time. I originally bought some Tau when I really wanted IG {because Tau were more pts for less $} and eventually sold all my Tau and used the $$ start an IG army.

For a hobby like this, choose what will definitely make you happy. Case and point on what makes me happy: When I'm not rocking IG and BLAMing I just WAAAGH all over everything.

Hope that helps.

Whazgog Da Despot wrote:

Two things to consider -

1. Up front costs can be high but think about the $$ for what it is: a one-time expenditure/investment. Once you've bought those IG models, they're yours forever and you can use them forever (pending some insane changes or discontinuation [which would prob. NEVER happen]). There are tons of people on here who've got old models from ages ago and they're still using them (see any/all SOB players/collectors).

2. If you really feel yourself wanting a particular faction just go for it. Better to be happy with your choice vs spending on something else. Plus, you can build your army over time. I originally bought some Tau when I really wanted IG {because Tau were more pts for less $} and eventually sold all my Tau and used the $$ start an IG army.

For a hobby like this, choose what will definitely make you happy. Case and point on what makes me happy: When I'm not rocking IG and BLAMing I just WAAAGH all over everything.

Hope that helps.

This is some good advice.

Whazgog Da Despot wrote:
I just WAAAGH all over everything.

I love that concept

Not to mention, painting is way more fun if you actually like your models. And painting is a part of the hobby, for sure.

 Crimson wrote:

Whazgog Da Despot wrote:

Two things to consider -

1. Up front costs can be high but think about the $$ for what it is: a one-time expenditure/investment. Once you've bought those IG models, they're yours forever and you can use them forever (pending some insane changes or discontinuation [which would prob. NEVER happen]). There are tons of people on here who've got old models from ages ago and they're still using them (see any/all SOB players/collectors).

2. If you really feel yourself wanting a particular faction just go for it. Better to be happy with your choice vs spending on something else. Plus, you can build your army over time. I originally bought some Tau when I really wanted IG {because Tau were more pts for less $} and eventually sold all my Tau and used the $$ start an IG army.

For a hobby like this, choose what will definitely make you happy. Case and point on what makes me happy: When I'm not rocking IG and BLAMing I just WAAAGH all over everything.

Hope that helps.

This is some good advice.

On top of this, the IG box is still just as good a deal as the necron one. They also stack well. You can make a relatively effective IG army just using three of the boxes. You'd have to paint/convert the commissars as officers/psykers, but it gets you three troops, three tanks, three characters (maybe 4 if you make a tank a tank commander), and depending on how you set your squads up, either a heavy weapons squad, or a special weapons squad.

Yeah, $255 is quite a bit, but you have to spend time building and painting too. Spend the $85 on the army you want, paint, convert, ect, and by the time you're done, you'll be looking to expand anyway.