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Hi,
so this is really strange to me... when I will use beta rules and can deep strike just on my deployment zone, and I will kill enemy unit and use the rule to teleport yncarne as close to the place of the destroyed unit as possible, do I have to teleport her as close as possible in my deployment zone?

What if I do this in opponent's turn, do I have to still put her in my deployment?

 Zumikito wrote:
Hi,
so this is really strange to me... when I will use beta rules and can deep strike just on my deployment zone, and I will kill enemy unit and use the rule to teleport yncarne as close to the place of the destroyed unit as possible, do I have to teleport her as close as possible in my deployment zone?

What if I do this in opponent's turn, do I have to still put her in my deployment?

The Yncarne has no exception to the Beta Tactical Reserves rule, so it must follow that rule. This means on either players first turn, the Yncarne may not be set up outside the owning players deployment zone, regardless of where they start.

This is how the Beta Rule is written and if GW wants the rule to function differently, they will need to change it.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Zumikito wrote:
Hi,
so this is really strange to me... when I will use beta rules and can deep strike just on my deployment zone, and I will kill enemy unit and use the rule to teleport yncarne as close to the place of the destroyed unit as possible, do I have to teleport her as close as possible in my deployment zone?

What if I do this in opponent's turn, do I have to still put her in my deployment?

The Yncarne has no exception to the Beta Tactical Reserves rule, so it must follow that rule. This means on either players first turn, the Yncarne may not be set up outside the owning players deployment zone, regardless of where they start.

This is how the Beta Rule is written and if GW wants the rule to function differently, they will need to change it.

Yes he does because the Yncarne it's NEVER put in reserve and never arrive as reinforcement.

Inevitable Death:When you set up the Yncarne, it must be set up in waiting rather than on the battlefield. When a unit...

Notice his rule never mention while on deployment like all other reserve rules from other units.

 Lord Perversor wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Zumikito wrote:
Hi,
so this is really strange to me... when I will use beta rules and can deep strike just on my deployment zone, and I will kill enemy unit and use the rule to teleport yncarne as close to the place of the destroyed unit as possible, do I have to teleport her as close as possible in my deployment zone?

What if I do this in opponent's turn, do I have to still put her in my deployment?

The Yncarne has no exception to the Beta Tactical Reserves rule, so it must follow that rule. This means on either players first turn, the Yncarne may not be set up outside the owning players deployment zone, regardless of where they start.

This is how the Beta Rule is written and if GW wants the rule to function differently, they will need to change it.

Yes he does because the Yncarne it's NEVER put in reserve and never arrive as reinforcement.

Inevitable Death:When you set up the Yncarne, it must be set up in waiting rather than on the battlefield. When a unit...

Notice his rule never mention while on deployment like all other reserve rules from other units.

Nothing is ever "put in reserves". They are deployed somewhere not on the battlefield. It doesn't have to mention deployment. In any case I can see already how this thread is going to go so I will bow out with the "Play by the rules" position given.

 Zumikito wrote:
Hi,
so this is really strange to me... when I will use beta rules and can deep strike just on my deployment zone, and I will kill enemy unit and use the rule to teleport yncarne as close to the place of the destroyed unit as possible, do I have to teleport her as close as possible in my deployment zone?

What if I do this in opponent's turn, do I have to still put her in my deployment?

Those beta rules aren't intended to apply to units already on the board, only units in reserve.

Captyn_Bob wrote:

 Zumikito wrote:
Hi,
so this is really strange to me... when I will use beta rules and can deep strike just on my deployment zone, and I will kill enemy unit and use the rule to teleport yncarne as close to the place of the destroyed unit as possible, do I have to teleport her as close as possible in my deployment zone?

What if I do this in opponent's turn, do I have to still put her in my deployment?

Those beta rules aren't intended to apply to units already on the board, only units in reserve.

And I want to point out that, regardless of intent, the rules do apply to units already on the board. If you don't like it, complain to GW and maybe they will fix it.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:

 Zumikito wrote:
Hi,
so this is really strange to me... when I will use beta rules and can deep strike just on my deployment zone, and I will kill enemy unit and use the rule to teleport yncarne as close to the place of the destroyed unit as possible, do I have to teleport her as close as possible in my deployment zone?

What if I do this in opponent's turn, do I have to still put her in my deployment?

Those beta rules aren't intended to apply to units already on the board, only units in reserve.

And I want to point out that, regardless of intent, the rules do apply to units already on the board. If you don't like it, complain to GW and maybe they will fix it.

False.

does this mean, that orks and yncarne (when on board already) can teleport at will? Even though it sets them on board once more? (1st turn ofc)

 Zumikito wrote:
does this mean, that orks and yncarne (when on board already) can teleport at will? Even though it sets them on board once more? (1st turn ofc)

Yes.

As it's a beta rule of course, you should agree your interpretation with your opponent.

The way the rule is written only applies to tactical reserves. Anything that does not meet the definition of ta ticks reserve is not affected.

BCB really doesn't like that their opinion on the rules doesn't meet either how the rules are written, nor how GW have officially clarified those rules.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
The way the rule is written only applies to tactical reserves. Anything that does not meet the definition of ta ticks reserve is not affected.

BCB really doesn't like that their opinion on the rules doesn't meet either how the rules are written, nor how GW have officially clarified those rules.

Can you link the FAQ on the official FAQ site with the clarification? I cannot seem to find it. I would appreciate it because I am a fan of Da Jumping Boyz and would like it to be usable again.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
The way the rule is written only applies to tactical reserves. Anything that does not meet the definition of ta ticks reserve is not affected.

BCB really doesn't like that their opinion on the rules doesn't meet either how the rules are written, nor how GW have officially clarified those rules.

Can you link the FAQ on the official FAQ site with the clarification? I cannot seem to find it. I would appreciate it because I am a fan of Da Jumping Boyz and would like it to be usable again.

You really shouldn’t try to gotcha people, it makes you look petty, you’re amplifying the shrieking, etc. etc. yawn.

Are you honestly STILL denying the existence of clarification to a beta rule from the writers of the rules? That you don’t like it’s method of communication is immaterial. Are you denying such clear guidance exists? Simple yes or no.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
The way the rule is written only applies to tactical reserves. Anything that does not meet the definition of ta ticks reserve is not affected.

BCB really doesn't like that their opinion on the rules doesn't meet either how the rules are written, nor how GW have officially clarified those rules.

Can you link the FAQ on the official FAQ site with the clarification? I cannot seem to find it. I would appreciate it because I am a fan of Da Jumping Boyz and would like it to be usable again.

I can certainly show where GW HAVE clearly clarified that the way they wrote the rule was indeed how they meant it to work

Can you find the BRB rule that permits you to use faqs as rule sources? Page and para would do. You're a raw guy so this should be trivial. It's weird though - I've asked you fir this a few times now, and you keep managing to miss the request. Maybe you'll spot it this time!

Had to go back and re read the big FAQ as i saw this..

and now i want to read the clarification as the betarule clearly says:

From reserve, high orbit ETC, ETC..

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Yncarne Can only First turn be placed in your own deployment.
And if reading this right BCB is correct on things like teleport as such...

I play Daemons and i did read somewhere - in all the FAQs/ errata/ Facebook they use!!!! - That summoning is aswell affected by this and thats NOT from reserve or anything like it. Only some points i put aside for maybe using in the game.

i like playing by the rules. No rules and chaos regin, Pink horror gets 9wounds and character etc etc...

please send a link or copy/paste as i do not use FB..

Tazberry wrote:

please send a link or copy/paste as i do not use FB..

here,
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/755345.page
along with all relevant discussion which doesn't need repeating.

I believe word is filtering out amongst the TO's that summoning isn't effected by the Beta Rules, but I haven't seen that myself. I would love an official clarification.