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I have a drop pod unit, but decide that I don't wish to use the pod, and deploy them normally? Is that even an option?

You don't have the option.

OK, so if I really wanted to win, and was playing against an all drop pod army, and lets say the missions were not "Standard" missions I could not give my opponent permission to use the drop pod rule, and take an automatic win?  RAW rules!

Yeah... mebbe we should rite an editorial and send it to God.

But den agian I is the fizzle of my krew.

- BT

can you start outside a rhino on normal mission ?
can you start outside a rhino on an esclation mission ?

i would think that going by the RAW you could elect to start without the transport option

Except the Rhino is not deep striking, is it?

Jeremy - Your logic does not compute.

OK, you can start outside of a rhino,  yes so what?  The question is can you start with  NO rhinos? Or as the original question stated, no drop pods. 

I do not have my space marine codex handy, but I believe RAW for a squad with drop pod states that the unit MUST use the drop pod rules to deploy, and only in standard missions without approval.

I'm assuming that like everything else, if you purchase it, you must play it.

And technically neither is a drop pod deep striking.

Not trying to bust your chops, Ghaz, but some RAW power gamer would have said it.

Yes, I know drop pods don't "deep strike" but it sounded better than "drop pod assaulting".

can you start outside a rhino on normal mission ?
can you start outside a rhino on an esclation mission ?

i would think that going by the RAW you could elect to start without the transport option

Yes you can start out side the rhino. HOWEVER, in escalation missions, you STILL have to be deployed in reserve, not on board.

Posted By jeremycobert on 06/14/2006 10:34 AM
can you start outside a rhino on normal mission ?
can you start outside a rhino on an esclation mission ?

I would think that going by the RAW you could elect to start without the transport option

I have no problem with my opponent deploying outside the drop pod when coming in from reserve.  I can use the craters their bodies would create when dropping from  orbit for good cover saves

 

That is an interesting issue. However, I don't think you're dealing with a RAW problem.  Outside of a tourney its player consent but everything's player consent. Your drop pod opponent either won't agree to special mission or you two will take all of three seconds to develop a proper scenario (specific timing of drop, pods aleady scattered about and deployed etc.).

In a tourney situation the missions or special to the tourney so they would account for that.  Or they would be chaos players and just say you're screwed

 

Ok here are the RAW from the C:SM,

Any Command squad, Veteran Squad, Terminator squad, dreadnaught, scout squad, Tactical Squad or devastator squad may be equipped with a drop pod (see the transport vehicles entry for details)> If so they may not select any other transport option. Such units remain in reserve and arrive by drop pod, even if the mission being played does not normally allow Reserves or Deep Strike. p 21 C:SM

This means 2 things:
1. If you purchase a drop pod for a SM unit that is authorized to purchase a drop pod. That unit always start in reserve and always enter via Drop pod assault, regardless of the owning players desires.
2. The drop podding space marine player does not have to ask his opponents permission to drop pod assault, he is required by the RAW to do so.

Thus SunTzu
1. Mauleed is correct

You don't have the option.

and
2. You don't have the option of not allowing your opponent to use Drop pods regardless of what the mission rules state. Your opponent is required to.

and

Re-read the actual drop pod section. I don't have the rulbebook here, but it should state that they are opponent consent for special missions, unless those missions permit deepstrike (or something similar to that effect).

jfrazell - you maybe confused. Before the new codex came out the drop pod was a forge world vehicle that required you to ask your opponent if you could use it; however, now it is a codex support vehicle that you can use anytime you want provided you pay the appropriate amout of points.

There is nothing in the codex about asking an opponent to consent to there use in the codex, anymore than you have to ask an opponent if you can use a rhino, preditor or land raider.

And...

It says that drop pods are allowed in standard missions without opponent consent, otherwise oppenent consent is required.

Also, it is ASSUMED that tournies allow opponent consent things, but unless it's RAW in the tournament rules I think I would have a pretty case.  I'd probably have a pretty good chance of getting beat down by the drop pod players after the tourney also, but I'm kind of trying to prove a point to some people who are taking RAW too literally.

I always check with the TO before taking my pods anywhere. That 'special missions' rule is pretty silly and unnecessary.

Also, it is ASSUMED that tournies allow opponent consent things, but unless it's RAW in the tournament rules I think I would have a pretty case. I'd probably have a pretty good chance of getting beat down by the drop pod players after the tourney also, but I'm kind of trying to prove a point to some people who are taking RAW too literally.

Shucks, you've shown all of us who like to follow the rules. . .

Seriously, tournaments decide what rules they want to use/not use/modify at all times. You wouldn't get beat down by the Drop Podders because the tournament organizers will always allow drop pods to be used in their missions unless they decide not to ahead of time.

This is simply a non-issue.

Posted By thelosttau on 06/14/2006 12:25 PM
jfrazell - you maybe confused. Before the new codex came out the drop pod was a forge world vehicle that required you to ask your opponent if you could use it; however, now it is a codex support vehicle that you can use anytime you want provided you pay the appropriate amout of points.

There is nothing in the codex about asking an opponent to consent to there use in the codex, anymore than you have to ask an opponent if you can use a rhino, preditor or land raider.

 

Hey, confused is just a state of mind  but as was noted in the follow on post, the actual rules for use of drop pods notes they are consent only for non-standard missions (and maybe where deepstrike is permitted, don't have in front of me). Its a specific paragraph I'm referrign to in the V4 marine codex.

 

Viva la Dreadclaw!

 

 

Ahh yes, missed the last paragraph when reading through the drop pod rules. You are correct in non-standard mission you must ask your opponants permission to use drop pods.

Most Tournaments, however, use the standard missions found in the BGB or published by GW. If the tournement created its own senerios I would hope the organizers handled these issues before hand. If you were playing a "friendly" game with a non-standard scenerio, and told your opponent the he could not use droppods I hope you would atleast give him time to create a new list so he could play, instead of just picking up you toy soldiers and saying..."ha, I win. Its good to be the King."

Yeah, I don't think I would ever do something that evil.  The only reason I even asked the question is that the tournament organizer did not specifically state the opponent permission rules are not applicable, or that drop pod rules were in place.  And I know that since it's an RT, we will have non-standard rules.

The player I was trying to prove a point to (a drop pod player), has been beating RAW into the ground, and I wanted to show him how taking RAW to the most literal (not only the 40k rules, but even tourney rules) was devisive, and that he was forgetting that we play for fun, not to just make the other person lose.  Even if Drop pods are allowed in a non-standard mission by the tournament organizer, the player would be a hypocrite, because it would be against the "strict" usage of RAW, and it further proves that it is not always the best policy, because in this instance he would be going against the Rules As Written, and obvious designer intent AND using rules that "some guy" just made up (ie the organizer allowing drop pods in non-standard missions).  I hope he got my point, but I doubt he will change that much.

Some may dismiss this as a non-issue, but I disagree.

Got your intent now.

SunTzu's dead right. They aren't always legal. If he pulled that on me and the tournament organizer agreed that the missions were not "standard", then I'd say bravo and play without my pods.

But every tournament I've played in since the marine codex came out has allowed pods.