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I'd love for black library to write a Horus Heresy book where one of the 9 loyalist Legions turn over to Horus' rebellion, would make for a really interesting read whether its just a single astartes or a squad etc. Say they are caught as prisoners and are convinced to turn.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I'd love for black library to write a Horus Heresy book where one of the 9 loyalist Legions turn over to Horus' rebellion, would make for a really interesting read whether its just a single astartes or a squad etc. Say they are caught as prisoners and are convinced to turn.

One could say the Alpha Legion fulfill this role.

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I'd love for black library to write a Horus Heresy book where one of the 9 loyalist Legions turn over to Horus' rebellion, would make for a really interesting read whether its just a single astartes or a squad etc. Say they are caught as prisoners and are convinced to turn.

One could say the Alpha Legion fulfill this role.

The Alpha legion at that time technically weren't traitors, they were following the Cabals scheme, but I mean one of the 'nine' loyal legions. The alpha legion are a whole subject unto themselves.

Already fanfic that does this, the Dornian Heresy. It's not very good.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Already fanfic that does this, the Dornian Heresy. It's not very good.

Because its a fanfic.

How does being fanfic automatically make it bad? There's nothing inherently wrong with fanfics and GW are hardly literary masters.

I never said it was bad because it's a fanfic. It's bad because it's bad.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I'd love for black library to write a Horus Heresy book where one of the 9 loyalist Legions turn over to Horus' rebellion, would make for a really interesting read whether its just a single astartes or a squad etc. Say they are caught as prisoners and are convinced to turn.

There's a few. My favorite was the White Scars that almost made it to Terra. I think it's mostly a case of small squads and independent units versus the more 50-50 split of the Dark Angels.

Yeah - Scars does it for White Scars, and the Dark Angel books for Angels.

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I'd love for black library to write a Horus Heresy book where one of the 9 loyalist Legions turn over to Horus' rebellion, would make for a really interesting read whether its just a single astartes or a squad etc. Say they are caught as prisoners and are convinced to turn.

There's a few. My favorite was the White Scars that almost made it to Terra. I think it's mostly a case of small squads and independent units versus the more 50-50 split of the Dark Angels.

What novel was that, I'd like to read it.

https://www.blacklibrary.com/the-horus-heresy/novels/scars-ebook.html I think

Scars is elsewhere, same theme. The ones near Terra were in Garro Sword of Truth.

Yeah a lot gets made about loyalists from the traitor legions. But it would be nice to see more of the other side of the coin as well.

As above, there's some books about White Scars turning, as is there about Dark Angels.

I believe there's a Blood Angel that does too, in Fear to Tread?

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Yeah a lot gets made about loyalists from the traitor legions. But it would be nice to see more of the other side of the coin as well.

It's a lot easier to envision a scnerio where a buncha members of a traitor legion would go "... wait? no we're not turning traitor" then envision a scnenerio where a buncha marines decide "nah we're not gonna go traitor"


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
As above, there's some books about White Scars turning, as is there about Dark Angels.

I believe there's a Blood Angel that does too, in Fear to Tread?

He doesn't turn so much as sacrifice himself to end up as a vessel of chaos so that the primarch and the others can escape as I understand it

Quite a few pop up in the black books - there's a specific rite of war for traitor loyalists as well as loyalist traitors.

I imagine quite a few might end up traitors by default. If you're a detached iron hands garrison and you don't have reliable contact with terra or medusa, if orders turn up from the warmaster himself saying "51st fleet, based in system XYZ, has rebelled. Sort it out!", the shooting will probably have started before anyone figures out what's going on...,

There were a fairly large group of White Scars that turned IIRC. A book about them would be pretty cool.

w1zard wrote:
There were a fairly large group of White Scars that turned IIRC. A book about them would be pretty cool.

It's called Scars. Keep in mind even then it wasn't a direct "yeah we're leaving and going to fight for Horus" it was more an attempt top force the white scars legion to side with Horus. an internal revolt.


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locarno24 wrote:
Quite a few pop up in the black books - there's a specific rite of war for traitor loyalists as well as loyalist traitors.

I imagine quite a few might end up traitors by default. If you're a detached iron hands garrison and you don't have reliable contact with terra or medusa, if orders turn up from the warmaster himself saying "51st fleet, based in system XYZ, has rebelled. Sort it out!", the shooting will probably have started before anyone figures out what's going on...,

yeah, the HH books have a LOT of "we don't know whats going on, we don't know who to trust" going on. I suspect there where a LOT of friendly fire incidents.

One of the key points of the heresy is that the planning done by Horus and Erebus has already factored in those who will turn easily. Those likely to remain loyal to the Imperium are purged, die on Istvaan etc borderline legions are those unlikely to turn which is borne out in most cases by them remaining loyal.

Even the Dark Angels situation is not about them turning to Chaos, it's more complicated than that and it plays out quite tragically.

You obviously have the growing ranks of the Sigilite's Knights Errant who have those who refused to turn and, one way or the other, end up on Terra. They inadvertently play a part in turning half the Dark Abgels from the Imperium. Their certainly is a lot of unintentional events where otherwise friendly forces misunderstand each other catastrophically.

How did the Knights Errant help turn the Fallen?

I'm pretty sure it's not half the Legion that fell. It was just Calibans garrison and the people Luther recruited there.

And the thousands of recruits they've trained. In Angels of Caliban it's described as a force to conquer whole systems.

When Loken is discovered and later escapes, it's used as evidence the Imperium believes they've gone rogue at a point where the situation hasn't quite gotten that bad.

The story isn't over yet and its not a certainty that the Fallen are even what they are believed to be in 40k. My feeling is that the chaos taint is a secondary reason they are hunted....