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2018/08/02 06:17:14
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Wicked Wych With a Whip
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Could one try to get the protecting of Papa Nurgle? Or pile up skulls for his throne and have one of the other ruinous powers protect them from she who thirsts?
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2018/08/02 06:31:17
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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I know that chaos eldar have been a thing way back when. Don’t think it’s been retconned, but I do think it’s been dropped from the over all narrative.
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2018/08/02 06:34:10
Subject: Re:Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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well Slaanish has claim to their souls so not sure that they have anything to offer another chaos god. on the other hand I'm sure the other gods would looooove to snag those souls for themselves so umm... maybe?
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2018/08/02 08:13:20
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Dakka Veteran
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Yes. Urien invited Lucius and Fabius to his party for knowledge exchange and drugs. The lore also mentions several Archons who made pacts with daemons only to get overthrown by Vects who staunchly oppose any dealing with the Dark Power.
The Eldar Corsair factions have several units that might be already corrupted by Chaos. This include the Wild Psyker who could turn into a Daemon of Slaanesh due to Perils of the Warp (in 7th edition). The Malevolent are also Dark Eldar Wyches who stay in realspace for too long and got the attention of Slaanesh.
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2018/08/02 13:59:22
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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"Eldar Corsair factions have several units"
Had. Now they have only 2 units.
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2018/08/02 15:19:58
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Bharring wrote:"Eldar Corsair factions have several units"
Had. Now they have only 2 units.
Why must you hurt me in this way?
Chaos Eldar are definitely a thing but I don't really see any Eldar voluntarily joining anyone but Slaanesh.
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2018/08/02 16:43:06
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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If I had infinite time, I'd definitely build Crone World Eldar (demons).
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2018/08/02 16:51:28
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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It is also heavily implied that Solitaries are already "claimed" by Slaanesh, which explains their supernatural speed. Although I believe if one dies, the Laughing god steals their soul back from Slaanesh.
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2018/08/02 17:03:02
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I think he tries to steal it back but it's not certain so while Solitaires have a chance it's possible they do go to Slaanesh. Which explains why you don't have loads of them.
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2018/08/02 17:25:20
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Wicked Wych With a Whip
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Galef wrote:It is also heavily implied that Solitaries are already "claimed" by Slaanesh, which explains their supernatural speed. Although I believe if one dies, the Laughing god steals their soul back from Slaanesh.
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I think its the other way around. And if I remember right its not just implied its out right said. The Laughing god can steal back all the Harliquins when they die, except the Solitairs. But She who thirsts is essential to the history of the Eldar, someone has to play her part, and the Solitairs volunteer knowing what it means.
The Harliquins main job is to dance and remember, not to fight.
But I might have that wrong.
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2018/08/02 17:54:58
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Headlss wrote: Galef wrote:It is also heavily implied that Solitaries are already "claimed" by Slaanesh, which explains their supernatural speed. Although I believe if one dies, the Laughing god steals their soul back from Slaanesh. - I think its the other way around. And if I remember right its not just implied its out right said. The Laughing god can steal back all the Harliquins when they die, except the Solitairs. But She who thirsts is essential to the history of the Eldar, someone has to play her part, and the Solitairs volunteer knowing what it means. The Harliquins main job is to dance and remember, not to fight. But I might have that wrong.
No, I think you're right and I had it backwards. It explains why Aeldari avoid contact with Solitaires in casual society. -
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2018/08/02 23:10:24
Subject: Re:Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Solitaires aren’t possessed though. There souls are forfeit but they aren’t demons them selves. It’s just a given that their souls are going to slaanesh and old laughing god won’t stop it. The speed doesn’t come from slaanesh it comes from them being touch by the laughing god.
“This mien of horror stems from the fact that, alone among the Harlequins, the Solitaire plays the role of Slaanesh. As
a result, the Solitaire’s role commands ultimate fear and respect. It also
makes them the most dangerous of all Harlequins, for a Solitaire treads the Path of Damnation, their essence doomed to be devoured by She Who Thirsts. Knowledge of their soul’s forfeiture means a Solitaire will ensure the cost to their foes is dear indeed before they meet their end.”
From the current codex.
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2018/08/03 09:18:01
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm pretty sure there's something different about them that involves demons seeing as they ignore physics sometimes.
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2018/08/03 09:41:39
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
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I'm not sure Eldar can be possessed by Chaos, since their souls are set to be devoured by Slaanesh if they die without a Soul Stone.
Slaanesh is very jealous of all the Eldar, seeing them as his creators and food. So no other Chaos forces can directly possess an Eldar without incrurring the wrath of a Chaos God.
My opinion only!
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2018/08/03 13:16:59
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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pm713 wrote:I'm pretty sure there's something different about them that involves demons seeing as they ignore physics sometimes.
As far as I know it’s because of the fact they are touched by the laughing god, so similar just a “good” god not a chaos one. The fear of them from other eldar is because they play slaanesh and have willingly forfeit their souls to slaanesh. They are considered a bad omen and to touch one is to invite death. As far as I am aware. Eldar aren’t my fave faction so I’m not as up to date fluff wise. Started reading the dark eldar trilogy and it’s shedding some light in the matter. Path of the eldar trilogy was good too.
I’ve never heard of deals with chaos from eldar. More that hey hide from it or slaanesh eats their souls. The dark eldar in commargh (sorry if spelling is off) and the craftworlds with spirt stones and all that. The solitaires super powers could just be from psychic powers. Like magic. I always liked the ninja legends where they magicians. Like Lian hearns tales of Otori books.
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2018/08/03 15:27:25
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Corennus wrote:I'm not sure Eldar can be possessed by Chaos, since their souls are set to be devoured by Slaanesh if they die without a Soul Stone.
Slaanesh is very jealous of all the Eldar, seeing them as his creators and food. So no other Chaos forces can directly possess an Eldar without incrurring the wrath of a Chaos God.
My opinion only!
Given that slaanesh is the weakest god (pretty relative term in an of itself), I wonder if it could stop say khorne from claiming a soul for its champion
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2018/08/03 18:40:19
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Headlss wrote:Could one try to get the protecting of Papa Nurgle? Or pile up skulls for his throne and have one of the other ruinous powers protect them from she who thirsts?
Of course. There are many lore examples of this, the first striking scorpion Karandras' predecessor turned to chaos. If they have a psychic soul they can seel it to chaos. An Eldar even helped Fulgrim become the angel exterminatus. The dark eldar are basically servants of Slaanesh, they just don't realise it lol.
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2018/08/03 22:27:38
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Delvarus Centurion wrote:Headlss wrote:Could one try to get the protecting of Papa Nurgle? Or pile up skulls for his throne and have one of the other ruinous powers protect them from she who thirsts?
Of course. There are many lore examples of this, the first striking scorpion Karandras' predecessor turned to chaos. If they have a psychic soul they can seel it to chaos. An Eldar even helped Fulgrim become the angel exterminatus. The dark eldar are basically servants of Slaanesh, they just don't realise it lol.
Arhra didn't really turn seeing as he had his disciples murder him and he might be chilling in Commoragh nowadays. Most Chaos Eldar are probably from the Fall or Corsairs, Dark Eldar and Craftworlders hate Slaanesh too much and Exodites are beyond repressed.
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2018/08/03 22:40:12
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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pm713 wrote: Delvarus Centurion wrote:Headlss wrote:Could one try to get the protecting of Papa Nurgle? Or pile up skulls for his throne and have one of the other ruinous powers protect them from she who thirsts?
Of course. There are many lore examples of this, the first striking scorpion Karandras' predecessor turned to chaos. If they have a psychic soul they can seel it to chaos. An Eldar even helped Fulgrim become the angel exterminatus. The dark eldar are basically servants of Slaanesh, they just don't realise it lol.
Arhra didn't really turn seeing as he had his disciples murder him and he might be chilling in Commoragh nowadays. Most Chaos Eldar are probably from the Fall or Corsairs, Dark Eldar and Craftworlders hate Slaanesh too much and Exodites are beyond repressed.
You don't know that he didn't, he helped chaos and not just chaos he helped Slaanesh so, he probably did. The eldar aren't psykers so he isn't doing it in order to enact some future, only thing I can think of, of why he did that is that he did turn.
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2018/08/03 22:51:42
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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You don't know he did. Craftworlders claim he helped Chaos and the Incubi claim he didn't. It's one of 40k's mysteries.
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2018/08/03 23:00:12
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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pm713 wrote:You don't know he did. Craftworlders claim he helped Chaos and the Incubi claim he didn't. It's one of 40k's mysteries.
I know, but he probably did.
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2018/08/04 13:30:52
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Delvarus Centurion wrote:pm713 wrote:You don't know he did. Craftworlders claim he helped Chaos and the Incubi claim he didn't. It's one of 40k's mysteries.
I know, but he probably did.
Why would he though? I don't see any motive for it.
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2018/08/04 13:58:51
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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pm713 wrote: Delvarus Centurion wrote:pm713 wrote:You don't know he did. Craftworlders claim he helped Chaos and the Incubi claim he didn't. It's one of 40k's mysteries.
I know, but he probably did.
Why would he though? I don't see any motive for it.
Some of the Lore behind Ahra it's the he tried to use the power of Chaos as a weapons against his enemies wich seems to be a big no no for the Asurya.
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2018/08/04 14:58:29
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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pm713 wrote: Delvarus Centurion wrote:pm713 wrote:You don't know he did. Craftworlders claim he helped Chaos and the Incubi claim he didn't. It's one of 40k's mysteries.
I know, but he probably did.
Why would he though? I don't see any motive for it.
What motive did he have to help Fulgrim, there were no weapons to be found on the crone world, the only thing there was an army of the dead and enough spiritstones to feed Fulgrim so that he would become a daemon prince, there was literally nothing that he could have gotten out of the bargain.
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2018/08/04 15:20:15
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Delvarus Centurion wrote:pm713 wrote: Delvarus Centurion wrote:pm713 wrote:You don't know he did. Craftworlders claim he helped Chaos and the Incubi claim he didn't. It's one of 40k's mysteries.
I know, but he probably did.
Why would he though? I don't see any motive for it.
What motive did he have to help Fulgrim, there were no weapons to be found on the crone world, the only thing there was an army of the dead and enough spiritstones to feed Fulgrim so that he would become a daemon prince, there was literally nothing that he could have gotten out of the bargain.
You're going to need to clarify that. I couldn't find anything about Arhra ever helping Fulgrim.
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2018/08/04 15:22:09
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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pm713 wrote: Delvarus Centurion wrote:pm713 wrote: Delvarus Centurion wrote:pm713 wrote:You don't know he did. Craftworlders claim he helped Chaos and the Incubi claim he didn't. It's one of 40k's mysteries.
I know, but he probably did.
Why would he though? I don't see any motive for it.
What motive did he have to help Fulgrim, there were no weapons to be found on the crone world, the only thing there was an army of the dead and enough spiritstones to feed Fulgrim so that he would become a daemon prince, there was literally nothing that he could have gotten out of the bargain.
You're going to need to clarify that. I couldn't find anything about Arhra ever helping Fulgrim.
He helped Fulgrim get to the crone world, wait I'm talking about Varuchi Vohra in the angel exterminatus novel. "An Eldar even helped Fulgrim become the angel exterminatus." I was sure Arha turned to chaos. Eldar isn't really my strong suit when it comes to the lore.
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2018/08/04 16:11:09
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Isn’t ahra theorised to be that dark eldar fella, the incubi one, forget his name.
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2018/08/04 16:11:51
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Formosa wrote:Isn’t ahra theorised to be that dark eldar fella, the incubi one, forget his name.
Yeah, I always thought he fell to chaos. Checked Lex though, says otherwise.
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2018/08/04 16:29:16
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Formosa wrote:Isn’t ahra theorised to be that dark eldar fella, the incubi one, forget his name.
You mean Drahzar?
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2018/08/06 23:20:04
Subject: Can space elfs make deals with tje other ruinous powers?
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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Regarding the solitaire, in my 2nd edition eldar codex it says his soul must be fought over by the Laughing God and Slaanesh, "an uneven match which is likely to be won by slaanesh unless the laughing god can somehow trick the great enemy out of his prize." There is no mention of this in the 8th edition harlequins codex "their essence doomed to be devoured by she who thirsts. Knowledge of their souls forfeiture...." That might explain the confusion as it appears to have been retconned or at least selectively omitted.
I've always found it curious how Eldar falling to chaos are hardly ever mentioned in background or fiction. As a highly psychic race prone to extremes of emotion you would expect it to be more of a thing. It would be easy to imagine an Eldar being consumed by rage or despair due to some event and falling to chaos. I tend to explain it through the idea that the Eldar understand the true nature of chaos and the warp better than any other race thanks to racial history and millennia of accrued wisdom. They know the true price and consequence of embracing the primordial annihilator in a way that no human really can (since most are kept deliberately ignorant and even those in the know only have a partial understanding). That makes the Eldar all but immune to any temptation or trickery. Plus any Eldar who became corrupted whilst part of wider society would likely be noticed and dealt with pretty quickly by their fellows. So only an outcast without the safety net of civilised society, having rejected all they were taught and having experienced and embraced a lifetime of extremes and depravity would be far gone enough to take that final step into the abyss.
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