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2018/11/19 20:55:23
Subject: Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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The old thread was locked, i asked to unlock it, but was told to start a new one with the clarification from the ork FAQ.
Q: Do Stratagems used on a Transport affect units embarked
within that transport? For example, if I use More Dakka! on
a Battlewagon, do any units embarked inside benefit from it?
In addition, can you use Stratagems on units embarked within
a transport (e.g. can you use Showin’ Off on a Bad Moons
Infantry unit embarked within a Battlewagon)?
A: No to both.
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2018/11/19 20:57:32
Subject: Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Norn Queen
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It's almost like the rules said that all along or something.
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2018/11/19 22:41:58
Subject: Re:Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Been Around the Block
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Well Ill have to admit that I was wrong on this matter... though still doesnt say anything about dakkadakkadakka, tunk hunters or similar unit rules and whether they work or not inside a transport...
We only got this:
Clan Kulturs, Blood Axes: Taktiks
Change the second sentence of rules text to read:
‘In addition, units with this kultur can shoot or charge
(but not both) even if they Fell Back in the same turn
– if such a unit is embarked, it can only do so if the
Transport that Fell Back also has this kultur.’
That to me sounds more like a restriction than an addition, but it can be interpreted any way
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2018/11/19 22:48:35
Subject: Re:Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Grotsnik1 wrote:Well Ill have to admit that I was wrong on this matter... though still doesnt say anything about dakkadakkadakka, tunk hunters or similar unit rules and whether they work or not inside a transport...
We only got this:
Clan Kulturs, Blood Axes: Taktiks
Change the second sentence of rules text to read:
‘In addition, units with this kultur can shoot or charge
(but not both) even if they Fell Back in the same turn
– if such a unit is embarked, it can only do so if the
Transport that Fell Back also has this kultur.’
That to me sounds more like a restriction than an addition, but it can be interpreted any way
From the Codex: Orks FAQ:
Q: Do Stratagems used on a Transport affect units embarked
within that transport? For example, if I use More Dakka! on
a Battlewagon, do any units embarked inside benefit from it?
In addition, can you use Stratagems on units embarked within
a transport (e.g. can you use Showin’ Off on a Bad Moons
Infantry unit embarked within a Battlewagon)?
A: No to both.
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2018/11/19 23:03:52
Subject: Re:Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Been Around the Block
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doctortom wrote: Grotsnik1 wrote:Well Ill have to admit that I was wrong on this matter... though still doesnt say anything about dakkadakkadakka, tunk hunters or similar unit rules and whether they work or not inside a transport...
We only got this:
Clan Kulturs, Blood Axes: Taktiks
Change the second sentence of rules text to read:
‘In addition, units with this kultur can shoot or charge
(but not both) even if they Fell Back in the same turn
– if such a unit is embarked, it can only do so if the
Transport that Fell Back also has this kultur.’
That to me sounds more like a restriction than an addition, but it can be interpreted any way
From the Codex: Orks FAQ:
Q: Do Stratagems used on a Transport affect units embarked
within that transport? For example, if I use More Dakka! on
a Battlewagon, do any units embarked inside benefit from it?
In addition, can you use Stratagems on units embarked within
a transport (e.g. can you use Showin’ Off on a Bad Moons
Infantry unit embarked within a Battlewagon)?
A: No to both
That only talks about stratagems, not sure where you want to get at, as I am talking about the units own rules
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2018/11/19 23:13:33
Subject: Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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So basically it in no way proves anyone being smart above right, as it doesn’t address the Dakka Dakka Dakka question in the previous thread at all. Got it.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2018/11/19 23:42:35
Subject: Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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JohnnyHell wrote:So basically it in no way proves anyone being smart above right, as it doesn’t address the Dakka Dakka Dakka question in the previous thread at all. Got it.
Yes bit it does disprove the "Select a unit" includes those embarked on a transport theory.
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2018/11/19 23:46:08
Subject: Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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The point was about a unit’s own rules working, notably Dakka Dakka Dakka, which is in no way addressed.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2018/11/20 07:02:09
Subject: Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Actually the original thread's purpose was about targeting a unit in a vehicle with a stratagem - which has now been disallowed, across the board. I imagine this includes (if such stratagems exist) ones which select an enemy unit to gain reroll against or what have you.
But yes, the FAQ makes no clarification on the end result of the thread - which was basically that the rules weren't explicit enough to persuade either side of the argument otherwise on whether or not a units own rules will come into effect when it shoots out of a vehicle.
The original thread was locked due to the intensity of the argument, so I'll avoid voicing my views on the subject here!
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2018/11/20 08:45:55
Subject: Re:Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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On this topic, how about the standard command reroll strategem? Can it be used when shooting out of a transport?
I would assume yes since I think it targets the dice, not the unit.
Also i think the FAQ "blood axe passenger shooting while falling back" clarification implies that standard unit rules such as clan tactics and dakkaX3 would still work.
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Brutal, but kunning! |
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2018/11/20 10:09:56
Subject: Targetting units inside open-topped transports with stratagems, clarification from the ork FAQ
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Yes it can.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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