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Hey team.
So I've run into an interesting situation.
I've been slowly easing my way out of the hobby and am looking to sell my Dark Angels.
The only aspects I will be keeping is a specific force of my beloved Death Wing and some additional models (just in case!)

I originally gave much of my force to someone who was very good at selling in which I'd split some of the profit with the local store.
After several months, it turns out that the army is missing. I have no idea how but it is!
Please note that my entire force (Green wing, bikes, terminators) are fully robed using the veteran/knights bits.

The force was as follows

12x Ravenwing Bikers (4x magnetised for special weapons)
3x Attack Bikes (non robed here!)
2x Rhino Tanks (There may have been 3!)

Infantry (all using the Dark Angels Veteran Robes)
12 Devastators with heavy weapons
- 4x LC
- 4x ML
- 2x HB
- 2X PC

then I think I had roughly 30+ robed marines. Some magnetised and 3 or 4 potential SGT models.
Here are some pictures



I kept all my characters so this is just for reference and wasn't included in the missing group

Going off raw value doesn’t seem like the root to take in this situation becuase of the amount of time it looks like you put into this army. Did you guys agree on a price for him to sell them at, maybe a minimum price or anything?

Straight_Memer wrote:
Going off raw value doesn’t seem like the root to take in this situation because of the amount of time it looks like you put into this army. Did you guys agree on a price for him to sell them at, maybe a minimum price or anything?

Unfortunately not.
I think maybe the question I'm asking to everyone is...What would you consider paying for an army like that?

I would say get what you can, but if you need a number I'd imagine an army like that selling for around $500 on ebay.

 vril maximus wrote:

Straight_Memer wrote:
Going off raw value doesn’t seem like the root to take in this situation because of the amount of time it looks like you put into this army. Did you guys agree on a price for him to sell them at, maybe a minimum price or anything?

Unfortunately not.
I think maybe the question I'm asking to everyone is...What would you consider paying for an army like that?

Would say around 40% of retail value is a good general rule for the 2nd hand market. Depending on condition of the models, could be more or less. Ultimately though, it's worth whatever someone will pay for it - try your luck

Painted to a decent tabletop standard, but not in proper chapter colours...so you'd be 60-80% of retail on the units most likely. A local might pay you near retail for them if they particularly like them.

50% of retail is the limit I find people are willing to buy.

 vril maximus wrote:
What would you consider paying for an army like that?

Maybe $10? $20 if you stripped the paint yourself?

The more important question here is why are you asking. Are you trying to make an insurance claim? Start at retail value, add a bunch for labor costs. Trying to realistically appraise what the army would sell for? Start at maybe 5% of retail, 10% if you want to be really optimistic. Trying to determine a fair price for your friend to pay you? Better ask yourself how much you value the relationship, and whether it's worth risking it to push for repayment.

ROFLMAO. 10% retail? Lol. I have yet to sell anything for less than 50% retail unless it's one big huge lot that very few would need to buy at once(and I don't want to go trouble of selling in pieces)

 Peregrine wrote:

 vril maximus wrote:
What would you consider paying for an army like that?

Maybe $10? $20 if you stripped the paint yourself?

The more important question here is why are you asking. Are you trying to make an insurance claim? Start at retail value, add a bunch for labor costs. Trying to realistically appraise what the army would sell for? Start at maybe 5% of retail, 10% if you want to be really optimistic. Trying to determine a fair price for your friend to pay you? Better ask yourself how much you value the relationship, and whether it's worth risking it to push for repayment.

10% is insane. Most people are happy for 50-40%

A friend of mine was easily selling painted stuff on ebay for 150-200% of retail(with very positive feedback too). His painting is pretty good but not amazing by any stretch of the imagination.

I would say that unless something is poorly painted, it should be worth retail or at least retail value of the kit.

There's plenty that are just not into the building painting side of the hobby and will happily pay a little extra for someone else to put in the work.

Painted stuff on ebay tends not to sell for a premium unless it's painted to very high standard, or it's painted to good standard and is a popular unit for a popular army. I'm sure you can sell cadian infantry, painted in the Cadian 8th scheme for a premium. Dark Angel vets, painted non codex? It's going to be tough to find a buyer that will pay a premium.

Most painted stuff sells for less than retail, and you might be surprised for how little. About 50% is pretty typical for nicely painted stuff, and 30% for just primed is common.

10-15% is a stupidly low estimate, based on absolutely no evidence as far as I can tell. Even badly painted SM models tend to go for at least 30-40% value since it's so easy to strip them. For your army, I'd say you need to have a look around eBay to see what prices things are currently selling for. Your army looks like it's painted to a decent tabletop standard, but that tends not to add that much to the price. So I'd start at around 40% as far as valuation goes.

If someone has lost your army then replacement should be taken at retail value to replace lost items; therefore price it up as new not as second hand.

Now you can freely price it "as new" at 3rd party retailers instead of GW central. You can also reduce from that value if you are so inclined.


I think taking a lower value is not practical because you will never be able to replace your army for the same item for any second hand price (unless you happened to actually find your own models up for sale, but that opens up a whole other can of worms and debate on the best course of action to take).


Remember even at retail price that would only replace the models materially; you've still got assembly and painting time that are not accounted for in that price.





Yes selling something second hand and replacing something lost/stolen are two separate things.

It's been selling off my Loyalist and Chaos boyz online the last few months. For your collection there, I'd appraise it at about 120 for the bikes and rhinos , and another 120 for the Infantry. I also give a discount for personal friends I know from my FLGS, and save on shipping.

250 would be a fair asking price. I would settle on 200 though, no less.

But I'm also a pretty poor salesman

 Elbows wrote:
Painted to a decent tabletop standard, but not in proper chapter colours...so you'd be 60-80% of retail on the units most likely. A local might pay you near retail for them if they particularly like them.

80% retail??? Insanity. I live in the wrong area to sell things. For someone to pay near retail, they must be either extremely lazy or must have whatever it is your selling.

I've found that Forge World usually sells quite well - especially if it's still unassembled in the bag. I've sold quite a few abandoned projects that had FW pieces for what I paid for, sometimes more especially if the item was discontinued.

You live in Australia, of course you live in the wrong area to sell things.

I've sold $15K in used 40K models over the last 18 months for people. And yes, decent tabletop can easily fetch 60-80%. However, his stuff is not chapter-correct so I'd side on the lower end of that. However, if someone sees them and loves them, he's easily in the 60-80% range. Now, people buying them to strip them? Not a chance.

Also, in cases such as this (with non-chapter painted minis) it can take 2-3 months for that buyer to shower up. If you want to shift them in 2 weeks, then sure, 20-30% of retail is fine - they'll sell super fast.

 Peregrine wrote:

 vril maximus wrote:
What would you consider paying for an army like that?

Maybe $10? $20 if you stripped the paint yourself?

The more important question here is why are you asking. Are you trying to make an insurance claim? Start at retail value, add a bunch for labor costs. Trying to realistically appraise what the army would sell for? Start at maybe 5% of retail, 10% if you want to be really optimistic. Trying to determine a fair price for your friend to pay you? Better ask yourself how much you value the relationship, and whether it's worth risking it to push for repayment.

Are you trolling. These are not pro paint but are certainly to a reasonable standard. 50% retail is a far asking price, ask for less if the OP wants a quicker sale. 50% might take a while to sell but it should get a buyer at that price with that army.

5-10% is for heavy kiddie paintjobs.

Depends why you want the valuation...

Hey... you lost my stuff…. retail (maybe including local discounts)

If they find it, how much could I get for selling it? Pick a number between 0 and 500. Hope they turn up - that's the simplest solution.

That’s a pretty awesome paint job, even if not chapter adherent. People saying only 10% need their heads checked. Then again, when seeing who said it...
You should be looking at at least 50% retail. It’s your used army, not somebody’s commissioned army.

Thanks for the responses guys.
The reason why I wanted to bring this to attention was because it was actually a fault of a local store owner - I won't reveal any names!
It's a great store and it's all just a series of unfortunate events.

I don't know if it's any consolation but the army is Dark Angels using the Guardians of the Covenant Successor Chapter theme which is found in the codex.

I'd be shooting for something like 50% of retail in cash / 75% in store credit... Someone doing it professionally should be held to higher standards and accountability than a random mate.

The lowball prices in this thread are ridiculous. Take a quick look at Kataphrons on ebay for example. They are selling for about 25GBP. The price they sell at for new in the UK is 35 GBP and you can pick then up for 27GBP from a discount store.

Due to the negligence of the store owner they have denied you your property. He needs to make this good. Sourcing randomly painted models of ebay does not meet this requirement. He needs to source new models and pay for them to be painted.

In the UK a ball park price for a getting a unit painted is 2-3 times the price of the plastic. Double for very basic Table Top and three times for a decent Table Top standard.

Therefore in the case of a tactical squad.

25 GBP Retail
75 GBP Painting
_______
100 GBP

If you are claiming insurance this is what you should enter. If this guy is your friend, then its really up to you.

Given that OP was looking to sell them, I don't think replacing the models is the priority. It's the monetary value that he's missing, that he would have received for selling them.

Honestly insurance likely won't pay for pro painting unless they were "pro painted" before and you've got a receipt for the services.

So I would honestly stick with brand new retail price for the models. Adding building and painting ontop would be a sting and if you otherwise get on well with the store then its probably not needed.

Now as its a store instead of a cash repayment you could ask for store credit of equal value and then spend it on what you want. In fact that's what I'd expect a store to make as a first offer to resolve this matter upon finding that they'd lost your models.


I do agree that they shouldn't be repaying you just for the second hand price. It doesn't matter that the models market worth is lower once built, the matter is that they've lost your property and should compensate you to replace that property. Which for models means brand new boxes at the very least, not random second hand ones.