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Hi guys, can unit benefit from cryptek and szeras in one detachment? I mean can they get +2 on reanimation protocol if both of HQ is near? Both Szeras and Cryptek ads +1 to RP
   
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Please read szeras datasheet thoroughly.

Master Technomancer
Add 1 to all Reanimation Protocol rolls for models from friendly NECRON units within 3" of Illuminor Szeras. A unit cannot benefit from both the Master Technomancer and Technomancer abilities in the same turn.


Other factions can easily stack buffs, but necrons cant, with only a few exceptions.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/01/04 10:48:25


 
   
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 p5freak wrote:
Other factions can easily stack buffs, but necrons cant, with only a few exceptions.
I mean, a lot of other factions have non stacking rules. Blood Angels Priests, Ork Painboys, Tyranind Venomthropes
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Other factions can easily stack buffs, but necrons cant, with only a few exceptions.
I mean, a lot of other factions have non stacking rules. Blood Angels Priests, Ork Painboys, Tyranind Venomthropes


Yes. But necrons are probably the most limited faction when it comes to stacking buffs. It is possible to get reanimation on a 3+, with a cryptek, and a lord with the orb of eternity. Thats an additional 103 points (Lord+orb, which is a relic) for a once per game reanimation roll of 3+, and only for infantry You can get 9 more warriors, or almost 7 more immortals for those points

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/01/04 12:12:20


 
   
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 p5freak wrote:
Please read szeras datasheet thoroughly.

Master Technomancer
Add 1 to all Reanimation Protocol rolls for models from friendly NECRON units within 3" of Illuminor Szeras. A unit cannot benefit from both the Master Technomancer and Technomancer abilities in the same turn.


Other factions can easily stack buffs, but necrons cant, with only a few exceptions.


Yeah like Haemonculi and Urien Rakarth!

Or Bellisarius Cawl, Techpriest Domini, and regular Techpriests!

Or painboyz and cybork bodies!

Or Ironhands and Venerable Dreadnoughts!

All those buffs stack, right? It isn't standard to have similar characters with the same buffs not stack with one another?

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 p5freak wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Other factions can easily stack buffs, but necrons cant, with only a few exceptions.
I mean, a lot of other factions have non stacking rules. Blood Angels Priests, Ork Painboys, Tyranind Venomthropes


Yes. But necrons are probably the most limited faction when it comes to stacking buffs.


As a Dark Eldar player, you'll forgive me if I don't cry a river.

Want to guess how many buffs my Kabalites have access to? Hint: It's a number between 0 and 1.

Want to guess how many buffs my Scourges and Mandrakes have access to? Hint: It's a number between 0 and 0.

And then we have joys like Subfaction bonuses that don't work on the artefacts that are unique to that subfaction.


Trust me - Necrons are far from the bottom of the heap when it comes to buffs (stackable or otherwise),

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 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 vipoid wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Other factions can easily stack buffs, but necrons cant, with only a few exceptions.
I mean, a lot of other factions have non stacking rules. Blood Angels Priests, Ork Painboys, Tyranind Venomthropes


Yes. But necrons are probably the most limited faction when it comes to stacking buffs.


As a Dark Eldar player, you'll forgive me if I don't cry a river.

Want to guess how many buffs my Kabalites have access to? Hint: It's a number between 0 and 1.

Want to guess how many buffs my Scourges and Mandrakes have access to? Hint: It's a number between 0 and 0.

And then we have joys like Subfaction bonuses that don't work on the artefacts that are unique to that subfaction.


Trust me - Necrons are far from the bottom of the heap when it comes to buffs (stackable or otherwise),


Every round your army gets different buffs. That accumulate. So, excuse me for not giving a gakk that your army doesn't have any buffs seeing as DE are consistently doing well since the Codex dropped and are a relatively a very cheap army to play.

Plus, you can abuse the Eldar keyword to bring Craftworlds, Harlequins and Ynnari in the same list vis different detachments.

So, again, I personally don't give a gakk about your lack of stacking abilities as DE are one of the most broken armies in 8th seeing as they can be played standalone or become more Cancerous with the aid of other Eldar armies being added via different detachments.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2019/01/05 19:38:07


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Necrons - Legion of The Silent King - [756-809 PL, 15038-16076pts]
Spoiler:

Unbound Army (Faction) (Necrons)
HQ
Anrakyr the Traveller
Catacomb Command Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe - 3
Cryptek
Selections: Canoptek Cloak, Staff of Light - 2
Cryptek
Selections: Chronometron, Staff of Light - 3
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Staff of Light
Illuminor Szeras
Imotekh the Stormlord
Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Orikan the Diviner
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Voidscythe
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Warscythe - 3
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Staff of Light
Overlord
Selections: Hyperphase Sword, Resurrection Orb
Trazyn the Infinite
Vargard Obyron

Troops

Immortals
Selections: Gauss Blaster, 15x Immortal
Immortals
Selections: 15x Immortal, Tesla Carbine
Immortals
Necron Warriors
Selections: 100x Necron Warrior
Necron Warriors

Elites

C'tan Shard of the Deceiver
C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer
Canoptek Tomb Stalker
Deathmarks
Selections: 25x Deathmark
Flayed Ones
Selections: 20x Flayed One
Lychguard
Selections: Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, 10x Lychguard
Lychguard
Selections: 6x Lychguard, Warscythe
Triarch Praetorians
Selections: Rod of Covenant, 10x Triarch Praetorian
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Heat Ray*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Particle Shredder*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon*

Fast Attack

Canoptek Scarabs
Selections: 63x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
Canoptek Scarabs
Canoptek Tomb Sentinel
Canoptek Wraiths
Selections: 3x Canoptek Wraith
Canoptek Wraiths
3x Canoptek Wraith w/ Transdimensional Beamer
Selections: 3x Transdimensional Beamer
6x Canoptek Wraith w/ Whip Coils
Selections: 6x Whip Coils
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Tomb Blades
Selections: Shadowloom, Shieldvanes
Two Gauss Blasters - 9
Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon - 3*
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
3x Heavy Destroyer
Monolith
Tesseract Ark
Two Tesla Cannons
Selections: 2x Tesla Cannon
Transcendent C'tan

Flyer
Doom Scythe - 4*
Night Scythe - 4*


Dedicated Transport
Ghost Ark - 3*

Lord of War
Gauss Pylon
Obelisk

* - This unit is magnetized so can be either model e.g. Doomscythe or Nightscythe
 
   
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Germany

 Odrankt wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Other factions can easily stack buffs, but necrons cant, with only a few exceptions.
I mean, a lot of other factions have non stacking rules. Blood Angels Priests, Ork Painboys, Tyranind Venomthropes


Yes. But necrons are probably the most limited faction when it comes to stacking buffs.


As a Dark Eldar player, you'll forgive me if I don't cry a river.

Want to guess how many buffs my Kabalites have access to? Hint: It's a number between 0 and 1.

Want to guess how many buffs my Scourges and Mandrakes have access to? Hint: It's a number between 0 and 0.

And then we have joys like Subfaction bonuses that don't work on the artefacts that are unique to that subfaction.


Trust me - Necrons are far from the bottom of the heap when it comes to buffs (stackable or otherwise),


Every round your army gets different buffs. That accumulate. So, excuse me for not giving a gakk that your army doesn't have any buffs seeing as DE are consistently doing well since the Codex dropped and are a relatively a very cheap army to play.

Plus, you can abuse the Eldar keyword to bring Craftworlds, Harlequins and Ynnari in the same list vis different detachments.

So, again, I personally don't give a gakk about your lack of stacking abilities as DE are one of the most broken armies in 8th seeing as they can be played standalone or become more Cancerous with the aid of other Eldar armies being added via different detachments.


Agreed 1000%
   
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 Odrankt wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
Other factions can easily stack buffs, but necrons cant, with only a few exceptions.
I mean, a lot of other factions have non stacking rules. Blood Angels Priests, Ork Painboys, Tyranind Venomthropes


Yes. But necrons are probably the most limited faction when it comes to stacking buffs.


As a Dark Eldar player, you'll forgive me if I don't cry a river.

Want to guess how many buffs my Kabalites have access to? Hint: It's a number between 0 and 1.

Want to guess how many buffs my Scourges and Mandrakes have access to? Hint: It's a number between 0 and 0.

And then we have joys like Subfaction bonuses that don't work on the artefacts that are unique to that subfaction.


Trust me - Necrons are far from the bottom of the heap when it comes to buffs (stackable or otherwise),


Every round your army gets different buffs. That accumulate. So, excuse me for not giving a gakk that your army doesn't have any buffs seeing as DE are consistently doing well since the Codex dropped and are a relatively a very cheap army to play.

Plus, you can abuse the Eldar keyword to bring Craftworlds, Harlequins and Ynnari in the same list vis different detachments.

So, again, I personally don't give a gakk about your lack of stacking abilities as DE are one of the most broken armies in 8th seeing as they can be played standalone or become more Cancerous with the aid of other Eldar armies being added via different detachments.


The point being made is not "DE are bad", because no, they're great.

The point being made is that it's normal to not have buffs stack.

Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne! 
   
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The dark behind the eyes.

 Odrankt wrote:

Every round your army gets different buffs. That accumulate.


Except that DE players don't get to pick those buffs. So while you are free to decide whether your army would benefit from rerolling 1s or a 5++, we're stuck with buffs that often have nothing but anti-synergy with our units.

How many Kabalite Warriors do you see making use of '+1 to hit in combat' or 'reroll charge distances' buffs?

 Odrankt wrote:
So, excuse me for not giving a gakk that your army doesn't have any buffs seeing as DE are consistently doing well since the Codex dropped and are a relatively a very cheap army to play.


See this:



This is what you're doing.

 Odrankt wrote:

Plus, you can abuse the Eldar keyword to bring Craftworlds, Harlequins and Ynnari in the same list vis different detachments.


Oh joy, so now we're talking about buffs that aren't even in the same codex.

 Odrankt wrote:

So, again, I personally don't give a gakk about your lack of stacking abilities as DE are one of the most broken armies in 8th seeing as they can be played standalone or become more Cancerous with the aid of other Eldar armies being added via different detachments.


Fine. Just as I don't give a gak about Necrons not being able to stack every buff. And I say this as someone who also plays Necrons.

 blood reaper wrote:
I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.



 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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Please be sure to keep things civil and on topic.

Thanks,
ingtaer

On parle toujours mal quand on n'a rien à dire. 
   
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lol are we still downplaying drukhari? cmon son

P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it. 
   
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In My Lab

 SHUPPET wrote:
lol are we still downplaying drukhari? cmon son


Did anyone say Dark Eldar weren't top tier? No.

What's being said is that it's normal to not be able to stack buffs, even for the top armies.

Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne! 
   
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did I say anyone said they weren't top tier? No.

I said are still downplaying drukhari

P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it. 
   
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Guys what the hell. Go somewhere else and be sore.
   
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I think a mod needs to lock this post. Pretty much going no where and the whole thread could of been discussed in the Necrons Tactics Thread.

I have a Youtube. Rage Against The Imperium. Here is the link if you are interested - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0WxDMsMyI7WcChiSfApB4Q

Necrons - Legion of The Silent King - [756-809 PL, 15038-16076pts]
Spoiler:

Unbound Army (Faction) (Necrons)
HQ
Anrakyr the Traveller
Catacomb Command Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe - 3
Cryptek
Selections: Canoptek Cloak, Staff of Light - 2
Cryptek
Selections: Chronometron, Staff of Light - 3
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Staff of Light
Illuminor Szeras
Imotekh the Stormlord
Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Orikan the Diviner
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Voidscythe
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Warscythe - 3
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Staff of Light
Overlord
Selections: Hyperphase Sword, Resurrection Orb
Trazyn the Infinite
Vargard Obyron

Troops

Immortals
Selections: Gauss Blaster, 15x Immortal
Immortals
Selections: 15x Immortal, Tesla Carbine
Immortals
Necron Warriors
Selections: 100x Necron Warrior
Necron Warriors

Elites

C'tan Shard of the Deceiver
C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer
Canoptek Tomb Stalker
Deathmarks
Selections: 25x Deathmark
Flayed Ones
Selections: 20x Flayed One
Lychguard
Selections: Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, 10x Lychguard
Lychguard
Selections: 6x Lychguard, Warscythe
Triarch Praetorians
Selections: Rod of Covenant, 10x Triarch Praetorian
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Heat Ray*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Particle Shredder*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon*

Fast Attack

Canoptek Scarabs
Selections: 63x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
Canoptek Scarabs
Canoptek Tomb Sentinel
Canoptek Wraiths
Selections: 3x Canoptek Wraith
Canoptek Wraiths
3x Canoptek Wraith w/ Transdimensional Beamer
Selections: 3x Transdimensional Beamer
6x Canoptek Wraith w/ Whip Coils
Selections: 6x Whip Coils
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Tomb Blades
Selections: Shadowloom, Shieldvanes
Two Gauss Blasters - 9
Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon - 3*
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
3x Heavy Destroyer
Monolith
Tesseract Ark
Two Tesla Cannons
Selections: 2x Tesla Cannon
Transcendent C'tan

Flyer
Doom Scythe - 4*
Night Scythe - 4*


Dedicated Transport
Ghost Ark - 3*

Lord of War
Gauss Pylon
Obelisk

* - This unit is magnetized so can be either model e.g. Doomscythe or Nightscythe
 
   
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To OP,

Yeah I know it sucks, they basically wrote exatly the same rule for the master Technomancer with no additional value. They should have left the normal one in that case.
   
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Xyphal wrote:
To OP,

Yeah I know it sucks, they basically wrote exatly the same rule for the master Technomancer with no additional value. They should have left the normal one in that case.


OP literally made an account to post this (they made 1 post in total). I don't think they are interested in anymore responses seeing as they got their answer already.

I have a Youtube. Rage Against The Imperium. Here is the link if you are interested - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0WxDMsMyI7WcChiSfApB4Q

Necrons - Legion of The Silent King - [756-809 PL, 15038-16076pts]
Spoiler:

Unbound Army (Faction) (Necrons)
HQ
Anrakyr the Traveller
Catacomb Command Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe - 3
Cryptek
Selections: Canoptek Cloak, Staff of Light - 2
Cryptek
Selections: Chronometron, Staff of Light - 3
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Staff of Light
Illuminor Szeras
Imotekh the Stormlord
Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Orikan the Diviner
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Voidscythe
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Warscythe - 3
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Staff of Light
Overlord
Selections: Hyperphase Sword, Resurrection Orb
Trazyn the Infinite
Vargard Obyron

Troops

Immortals
Selections: Gauss Blaster, 15x Immortal
Immortals
Selections: 15x Immortal, Tesla Carbine
Immortals
Necron Warriors
Selections: 100x Necron Warrior
Necron Warriors

Elites

C'tan Shard of the Deceiver
C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer
Canoptek Tomb Stalker
Deathmarks
Selections: 25x Deathmark
Flayed Ones
Selections: 20x Flayed One
Lychguard
Selections: Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, 10x Lychguard
Lychguard
Selections: 6x Lychguard, Warscythe
Triarch Praetorians
Selections: Rod of Covenant, 10x Triarch Praetorian
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Heat Ray*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Particle Shredder*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon*

Fast Attack

Canoptek Scarabs
Selections: 63x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
Canoptek Scarabs
Canoptek Tomb Sentinel
Canoptek Wraiths
Selections: 3x Canoptek Wraith
Canoptek Wraiths
3x Canoptek Wraith w/ Transdimensional Beamer
Selections: 3x Transdimensional Beamer
6x Canoptek Wraith w/ Whip Coils
Selections: 6x Whip Coils
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Tomb Blades
Selections: Shadowloom, Shieldvanes
Two Gauss Blasters - 9
Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon - 3*
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
3x Heavy Destroyer
Monolith
Tesseract Ark
Two Tesla Cannons
Selections: 2x Tesla Cannon
Transcendent C'tan

Flyer
Doom Scythe - 4*
Night Scythe - 4*


Dedicated Transport
Ghost Ark - 3*

Lord of War
Gauss Pylon
Obelisk

* - This unit is magnetized so can be either model e.g. Doomscythe or Nightscythe
 
   
 
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