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I'll preface this by saying that I 100% think he should not come back but if he did how do you think it should happen. If he did come back I think that he should come back broken, basically an angron wulfen type that has a lust fore battle and only battle and the reason being that a) his mind was shattered being on the throne and b) that all plans for mankind are pretty much screwed now, especially due to the great rift (Thanks to Gork) and mankind need a force to attack their enemies and that force would be a broken violent rage filled Emperor. It would also be cool seeing the loyalist Primarchs reaction to seeing the Emperor broken.

The only way he comes back with out breaking the setting entirely (even the HH uses him sparingly because he is both a walking Deus Ex Machina and really hard to write in a convincing/compelling fashion) is tossing him off the throne and into the warp as the 1st God of Order. Having him up and walking around just doesn't work.

The Emperor is already broken. Guilliman visited him on the Golden Throne, and his humanity has faded and been replaced by a much more raw, powerful but less focused presence. Much closer to a “god” and Guilliman suspects more powerful, but also less compassionate and less able to comprehend the smaller scale stuff, like individuals. He’s essentially The Emperor Unbound (though ironically, still very much bound to his chair).

If he were to come back now, it would be much more as a force of nature, a being of imperatives and grand direction but without the faculties required to actually be an Emperor. Guilliman would have to translate his grand proclamations into workable actions.

Actually, hardly anything would be different in that respect...

Patriarch Phyrx wrote:
The Emperor is already broken. Guilliman visited him on the Golden Throne, and his humanity has faded and been replaced by a much more raw, powerful but less focused presence. Much closer to a “god” and Guilliman suspects more powerful, but also less compassionate and less able to comprehend the smaller scale stuff, like individuals. He’s essentially The Emperor Unbound (though ironically, still very much bound to his chair).

If he were to come back now, it would be much more as a force of nature, a being of imperatives and grand direction but without the faculties required to actually be an Emperor. Guilliman would have to translate his grand proclamations into workable actions.

Actually, hardly anything would be different in that respect...

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This. Well said Patriarch Phyrx.

Patriarch Phyrx wrote:
The Emperor is already broken. Guilliman visited him on the Golden Throne, and his humanity has faded and been replaced by a much more raw, powerful but less focused presence. Much closer to a “god” and Guilliman suspects more powerful, but also less compassionate and less able to comprehend the smaller scale stuff, like individuals. He’s essentially The Emperor Unbound (though ironically, still very much bound to his chair).

If he were to come back now, it would be much more as a force of nature, a being of imperatives and grand direction but without the faculties required to actually be an Emperor. Guilliman would have to translate his grand proclamations into workable actions.

Actually, hardly anything would be different in that respect...

I know, that's why I said he'd be broken, he could come back intact mentally, but I was saying he should come back broken like he is on the throne,

we knew he was broken before that, it was Dorn that first realised how broken he was, not Guilliman.

There are many theories for the Emperor coming back, the star child theory, him reincarnating back from dying on the throne etc. Nowhere does it state that he will become a god, its just a likely theory but only as likely as the others.

I think reborn as the star child in human form then their would be a great schism as the imperiums powers that be fought against the second coming believers and the ad mech went off on their own or get ate by a c’tan. Having a god of order in the warp makes no sense as the warp is chaos. It would be age of Sigmar time. Abandon the material universe and fight in the immortal realms. They what I think but I hope they never do bring him back.

Honestly bring him back with a text to speech device. [i greatly enjoy that series]

But really in like 20 years when they reboot for the 4th time. id say best chance for him to come back would be through reincarnation. or just to be a chaos god of order and GOLD.

Heretic!

The Emperor never went away!

Andykp wrote:
I think reborn as the star child in human form then their would be a great schism as the imperiums powers that be fought against the second coming believers and the ad mech went off on their own or get ate by a c’tan. Having a god of order in the warp makes no sense as the warp is chaos. It would be age of Sigmar time. Abandon the material universe and fight in the immortal realms. They what I think but I hope they never do bring him back.

The Warp has been calm...calmer, than it is today in the current setting. That was before humans, though still can't forget the Eldar and their excesses, which would of stirred up a gak storm or two. Who had different Gods for different things and sort of kept a leash on it all until, well you know....
Bringing back the Big E would be a complicated and problematic matter both in setting and for writing to please the most people,(for those would may try, I envy you not) Though I have to go along with if some how he does come back then Gilli has to interpret his... erraticness.

Pretty sure ][ has split the Imperium in two or more over the passage of time , warred with it's self, then declared the losers heretics. ALL HAIL...psss... what their name again....(sigh) Im too old for this gak again.

He should die and return as the shaman who sacrificed themselves to make him. Each shaman is a shard of the emperor. This death also soothes the warp and weakens the astronomicon, closes the gate on Terra and diminishes the chaos God's... for a time. This is due to the final deathcry of the Emperor.
Then there's a race against time to collect all the shards and reforge him or to kill them... depending on your perspective.
He returns after a reforming but he is diminished as not all of the shaman comply or are found. Some are saddened at what has become of humanity.
Avatars of the Emperor shards/shaman are used like avatars of Khaine by small empires and sometimes worshipped.

During this period small human empires form and civil wars are frequent. Xenos can expand but they can be held back by the shards being used in war.

Otherwise he should never be brought back and never die. They should explore it. In Rogue Trader days did they never explain why he was on the throne? I think I ordered that!

The Emperor is the master of mankind by the might of his inexhaustible armies and the will of the gods.

 Nurglitch wrote:
The Emperor is the master of mankind by the might of his inexhaustible armies and the will of the gods.

Will of the Gods?
So he is still on the throne because chaos wants him on the throne?
Admittedly, Big E staying on the throne keeps this whole 'in the grimdark future, there is only war' Going, and they can play with the galaxy and twist it to their whim. But to say they keep him on the throne themselves, for me, is going too far....or maybe not far enough.

Tzeench plots to keep Big E on the throne. So you could argue that.

He also plots to take him off the throne.

And I'm sure he also plots to stop *both* other plots... somehow...

Bharring wrote:
Tzeench plots to keep Big E on the throne. So you could argue that.

He also plots to take him off the throne.

And I'm sure he also plots to stop *both* other plots... somehow...

That Tzeench makes me laugh that he even plots against himself.
Fair point, Bharring.

Andykp wrote:
I think reborn as the star child in human form then their would be a great schism as the imperiums powers that be fought against the second coming believers and the ad mech went off on their own or get ate by a c’tan. Having a god of order in the warp makes no sense as the warp is chaos.

Chaos encompasses all possibilities - even order. You can see this notion as far back as the first edition of WFRPG, where there were gods of order. The Eldar had gods that were (mostly) orderly, it's just that the gods of primal passions are just SO much stronger.

I know Laurie Goulding is fond of the theory that the Emperor is the 40K setting's 'Everchosen', analogous to Archaon in WHFB/AoS.

Archaon was being trained to fight against Chaos, but ended up serving Chaos instead thanks to reading a prophecy. The Emperor tried to fight against Chaos, but ended up trapped on the Golden Throne after following his own prophetic visions (which might have been subverted by Chaos). In both cases, Chaos uses prophecy to turn their greatest enemy into an asset/agent.

You also have the issue that no matter what happens, if the emporer becomes a god,

Or re-incarnated. Anything.

In that split moment he's gone, the warp will go crazy and Deamons everywhere.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
You also have the issue that no matter what happens, if the emporer becomes a god,

Or re-incarnated. Anything.

In that split moment he's gone, the warp will go crazy and Deamons everywhere.

If there's ever a reboot of the 40k universe, that would be the simplest way to do it: Emperor dies; big, galaxy-spanning warp storm of narrative chaos changes everything that needs changing; the Emperor becomes a new god and restores enough order to get back to something stable; welcome to the new 40k.

Tiennos wrote:

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
You also have the issue that no matter what happens, if the emporer becomes a god,

Or re-incarnated. Anything.

In that split moment he's gone, the warp will go crazy and Deamons everywhere.

If there's ever a reboot of the 40k universe, that would be the simplest way to do it: Emperor dies; big, galaxy-spanning warp storm of narrative chaos changes everything that needs changing; the Emperor becomes a new god and restores enough order to get back to something stable; welcome to the new 40k.

The warp is not subject to the same rules of time, if any at all. So could not The Emperor not battle it out with the Chaos gods for hundreds of years (like Horus did when he stepped through the portal) and then call a truce or at least a partial halt to the warp war and agree to fight only in the real universe?
Of course they will not hold up to it long. But while all that's going on, in the galaxy it all goes crazy for a short period. Say: a few minutes, an hour or even a day. To which humanity and the other races will be forced to endure, but ultimately survive, with perhaps another eye of terra or the currant one growing even larger still. Forcing the Nids into fighting Chaos as a survival instinct response?