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I am looking to get and army painted as a gift to myself for my birthday. I have been a huge fan of night Lord's books and decided to give an army list a shot. I believe that this list is semi competitive, probably good enough for local tournaments, but may struggle on a larger scale. Please give me your opinions and feedback, also keep in mind I tried to make this army as competitive as possible, while holding true to the night Lord's not really using daemons and other agents of the Chaos God's. This list is made up of 3 vanguard detachments.

Vanguard Detachment
Hq:
Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour w/claws of the black hunt/night haunters curse/

Elites:
5 chosen w/combi-bolters/chain axes/
5 chosen w/combi-bolters/chain axes/
5 chosen w/combi-bolters/chain axes/

Dedicated Transport
Rhino w/ havoc launcher/
Rhino w/ havoc launcher/
Rhino w/ havoc launcher/

Vanguard Detachment
Hq:
Sorcerer in Terminator armour w/death hex/prescience/

Elites:
Contemptor dreadnought w/havoc launcher/butcher cannon/death claw/
Contemptor dreadnought w/havoc launcher/butcher cannon/death claw/
Contemptor dreadnought w/havoc launcher/butcher cannon/death claw/

Vanguard Detachment
Hq:
Sorcerer in Terminator armour w/death hex/prescience/

Elites:
Sicaran w/ accelerator autocannon/heavy bolter sponsons/
Sicaran w/ accelerator autocannon/heavy bolter sponsons/
5 Terminators w/combi-plamsa/power swords/mark of slaneesh/

Fast attack
5 bikes w/mark of nurgle/icon of despair/

The job of the sorcerers is to deepstrike in with the Terminators and use death hex on certain units that meet the criteria of beat sticks ie primarchs or deathstar. I will take advantage of slaneesh strategem to get the job done if all shooting fails. This list has a pretty high volume of shots and decent weaponry from beyond 24 inches. This list does fall short in objective holders however. Please let me know your thoughts.

Hey man love the idea and look of the army. Those nightlord contemptors are one of my favourite models.
If you're looking to play tournements you'll need some troops. You need at least a few CP and something to hold objectives. I would have at least one battallion of either cultists or CSM with plasma/combi plasma or autocannon/heavy bolter.
The chosen aren't tough enough to take any serious overwatch so I'd drop them.
Also if you're making a fluffy list and want to make the most of the night lords legion trait raptors would fit nicely. They'd also be a better delivery system for your plasma than terminators. In a squad of 5 you can take 2 plasma rifles and a combi plasma on your champion. Drop them less than 12" away and let loose 6 plasma shots. If you have a chaos lord nearby you can overcharge fairly safely. Plus if you successfully charge you've made a unit -2 leadership.
Your contemptors and scarian look solid choices though.

I kinda miss raptors, but it seems like a fun list.

A tad on the restricted side for cp though.
Combi Bolter chosen are ok but I'd not invest into melee weapons.

How many cp does 3 vanguard detachments give me. I have been away from Warhammer for about 3 years. I could drop the bikes and bolster the chosen to 10 man squads with 5 combi-bolters and 5 regular chosen.

Vanguard Detachment
Hq:
Chaos Lord w/claws of the black hunt/night haunters curse/

Elites:
10 chosen w/5 combi-bolters/5 bolters
10 chosen w/5 combi-bolters/5 bolters
10 chosen w/5 combi-bolters/5 bolters

Dedicated Transport
Rhino
Rhino
Rhino

Vanguard Detachment
Hq:
Sorcerer in Terminator armour w/death hex/prescience/combi-plasma

Elites:
Contemptor dreadnought w/butcher cannon/death claw/
Contemptor dreadnought w/butcher cannon/death claw/
Contemptor dreadnought w/butcher cannon/death claw/

Vanguard Detachment
Hq:
Sorcerer in Terminator armour w/death hex/prescience/combi-plasma/

Elites:
Sicaran w/ accelerator autocannon/heavy bolter sponsons/
Sicaran w/ accelerator autocannon/heavy bolter sponsons/
5 Terminators w/combi-plamsa/3 power swords/mark of slaneesh/
2 powerfists

Everybody gets 3cp for a legal list and each vanguard will get you 1cp a battallion 5cp. There's a much bigher focus on playing the objectives than in older editions so troops with ob sec are slightly more desirable than before. You might be better just going for one 10 man chosen squad and 3x5 csm with an autocannon or heavy bolter.
Once you get back into it you'll see the power of stratergem combos such as Veterans of the long war, prescience and endless cacophony. You'll want to roll it out most turns if you can, which will cost a few command points.

 small_gods wrote:
Everybody gets 3cp for a legal list and each vanguard will get you 1cp a battallion 5cp. There's a much bigher focus on playing the objectives than in older editions so troops with ob sec are slightly more desirable than before. You might be better just going for one 10 man chosen squad and 3x5 csm with an autocannon or heavy bolter.
Once you get back into it you'll see the power of stratergem combos such as Veterans of the long war, prescience and endless cacophony. You'll want to roll it out most turns if you can, which will cost a few command points.

Thank you for the clarification that clears up a lot.

Battalion detachment

Hq:
Sorcerer in Terminator Armour w/death hex/prescience/combi-plasma/force sword/
Sorcerer in Terminator Armour w/death hex/prescience/combi-plasma/force sword/

Elite:
Sicaran w/heavy bolter sponsons/
Sicaran w/heavy bolter sponsons/
5 Terminators w/combi-plasma/

Troops:
10 CSM w/heavy bolter/
10 CSM w/heavy bolter/
9 CSM w/ heavy bolter/

Vanguard Detachment
Hq:
CSM Lord w/Claws of the black hunt/Night Haunters Curse/

Elite:
Contemptor Dreadnaught w/butcher cannon/havoc launcher/
Contemptor Dreadnaught w/butcher cannon/havoc launcher/
Contemptor Dreadnaught w/butcher cannon/havoc launcher/

Thanks everyone for their beautiful critiques and helping me refine this list. If you see anything else that needs correction or clarification please let me know.

Looks good man. It would be a tough matchup for a fair few lists. Especially lots of elite troops like primaris marines. It might struggle to beat a knights list but you can just play for points in those sort of matchups.
Just a side note CSM can take one heavy weapon for each 5 troops so you could have 2 10 man units with HB or AC and a 5 man unit with plas, combi plas.
But these are all minor tweeks. Good luck with it!

You might want to change up your sorcerers. There's almost no point in having the exact same psychic power loadout, once you attempt to cast prescience once... you can't attempt it a second time in the same round.,

I might get a cheaper chaos lord in the place of one of them. A I would nd take your CSM, and break them up in to 6 units each one with a specifc weapons loadout. If you did that you could have a double battalion list, getting you 5cp +5cp +3 for legal list. 13cp.

Battalion detachment

Hq:
Chaos lord w/power sword/
Chaos lord w/power sword/

Elite:
Sicaran w/heavy bolter sponsons/
Sicaran w/heavy bolter sponsons/
Terminators w/combi-plasma/power axes/
Contemptor Dreadnaught w/butcher cannon/havoc launcher/

Troops:
10 CSM w/2 plasma guns/
10 CSM w/2 plasma guns/
5 CSM w/heavy bolter/

Heavy Support
Leviathan Dreadnaught w/2 butcher cannon arrays/
Leviathan Dreadnaught w/2 butcher cannon arrays/

Took your advice about the cheaper hq choices I thought I burnt a big portion of my points on hq choices.

1. You need some sort of psychic defense. So get a sorceror.

2. I would still break up your 10 man squads to 5 man squads, you could run a 5 man csm, with 1 plasma, and the champ with a combi-plasma. This doubles your firepower.

I got an idea
.
Hq:
Chaos lord w/ jump pack w/lightning claws
Chaos lord w/power maul (upgrade to The Black Mace) & combi-bolter
Sorceror w/ Combi-Bolter (with smite, prescience, and maybe diabolic strength or infernal gaze)

Elite:
Sicaran w/heavy bolter sponsons/ combi-bolter & havoc missle launcher
Sicaran w/heavy bolter sponsons/ combi-bolter & havoc missle launcher
Terminators w/combi-plasma/power axes/
Contemptor Dreadnaught w/deathclaw w/butcher cannon/havoc launcher/

Troops:
5 CSM w/2 plasma guns/
5 CSM w/2 plasma guns/
5 CSM w/2 plasma guns/
5 CSM w/2 plasma guns/
10 cultists

Heavy Support
Leviathan Dreadnaught w/2 butcher cannon arrays/
Leviathan Dreadnaught w/2 butcher cannon arrays/

Lord on Foot stays with all the long range shooting and gives the reroll 1's ability to all within 6", the other lord jumps around gets himself killed (don't make him the warlord).


It'd be a fun list, could still do a lot to make it more competitive.