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Red Corsairs Batallion - Devastation Battery (-1CP) [11 CP to play with]

Huron Blackheart > prescience > Warlord
Exalted Champion > Maelstorm's Bite > Power axe

5man chaos space marines > reaper chaincannon > combi-bolter & chainaxe on champion > Mark of Slaanesh
5man chaos space marines > reaper chaincannon > combi-bolter & chainaxe on champion > Mark of Slaanesh
10man chaos space marines > reaper chaincannon > plasma gun > combi-plasma & chainaxe on champion > Mark of Slaanesh

Hellbrute > twin lascannon > hellbrute fist

Havocs > 4x reaper chaincannon > combi-bolter & chainaxe on champion > Mark of Slaanesh
Havocs > 4x lascannon > combi-bolter & chainaxe on champion > Mark of Slaanesh

1000 points.

Got tired of waiting for the new Dark apostle model to come for pre-order and started building stuff. Still need to wait my Havocs order to show up, but my 3rd party reaper chaincannons arrived. I'm quite happy with the things are looking for red corsairs..advance and still charge.. extra CP for having a 3x csm batallion, More where they came from strat for a single big csm squad.. and the new havocs in a devastation battery.. Well atleast on paper this all feels good, can't wait to try this out.

Any suggestions? I got some left over bits and models from shadowspear, new csm and pre-ordered havocs box waiting for delivery. Atleast for bigger game I want that 5++ from the dark apostle.. and maybe even a 20man csm squad..

So, a solid 1k list?

Looks solid. You should have a pretty easy time with most things as long as someone doesnt bring a vehicle. I think leaning too hard into the chain cannons may come back to bite you as soon as someone puts a transport on the field.

I don't know drbored…. its 1kpts... armours gonna be lightish anyway, and with the twin lascannons helbrute, quad las havocs, plasma and sheer volume of fire.... this is looking solid to me

GamerGuy

11CP? am I missing something? I count 7

Six lascannons feels enough at 1k, especially woth punishing volley..

+3 battle forged
+5 batallion
+3 for having triple csm squads as red corsairs
+1 for Huron Blackheart
-1 Devastation battery detachment

Mobility might be an issue, but let's hope advanve and charge with that 6" of battlefield edge csm squad redeploy are enough..

20p is a lot for sure, but looking at the other weapon options a doped heavy bolter feels most versatile now that I have points, reaper autocannon or two might bring more options to sit in the backfield objective.. hmm .

Xirax wrote:
reaper autocannon or two might bring more options to sit in the backfield objective.. hmm .

Only Terminators and Hellbrutes get Reaper Autocannons, I think. Havocs and CSM squads only get the standard Autocannons.

 Marius Xerxes wrote:

Xirax wrote:
reaper autocannon or two might bring more options to sit in the backfield objective.. hmm .

Only Terminators and Hellbrutes get Reaper Autocannons, I think. Havocs and CSM squads only get the standard Autocannons.

I mean autocannons.. wonder if a single ML would be worthwhile for MW strat..

I'd say you got a very nicely rounded list here, you can tick basically all boxes, maybee replace the exalted champion with a DA after it get's out?

i'll just swap two lascannons to ML or give autocannons to two smaller csm squads to free up points for DA.. DA gives good buffs 5++ for example.. that relic combi-melta on exalted champion along with it's melee buffs to protect any assaults on nmy mobile gunline isn't just a compulsory filler, but DA gives more imho. We play usually 1k to 1,5k games so not expecting super armored armies except knights..

So,
after ton of painting and the new DA model behind the corner. I'm aiming higher in points. Playing again this friday and want to try out 1500 RC list. I will use the base from the above list, with couple model alterations. What do you guys think, still a solid direction? I ask about the chosen squads viability in the tactics section. I really don't know what else to do with the remaining points, because can't really fit a third obliterator.

Here's the revised list at 1,5k.

Red Corsairs Batallion (+8cp)

Daemon prince with wings > death hex > Mark of Slaanesh > intoxicating elixir
Dark Apostle -> 2x dark disciples > Warpsight plea

5x chaos space marines > combi-bolter & chainaxe > autocannon > MoS
5x chaos space marines > combi-bolter & chainaxe > autocannon > MoS
10x chaos space marines > plasma pistol & chainaxe > plasmagun > reaper chaincannon > MoS

5x chosen > combi-bolter & power axe > 4x combi-bolter & chainaxe > MoS
Helbrute > power scourge > twin lascannon

Red corsairs Spearhead (devastation battery -1cp)

Huron Blackheart > presciense > Warlord (+1cp)

5x Havocs combi-bolter & chainsword > 4x lascannon > MoS
5x Havocs combi-bolter & chainsword > 4x reaper chaincannon > MoS
2x Obliterators > MoS

1496 points. 12 CP.

A footslogging chosen squad is really the thing I'm mostly annoyed, feel free to suggest.. the base 1k list, which is more or less already paint up will be the base of this new chaos project. For the remaining points I could swap the power axe from the chosen champion to power fist, but 3 attacks 9pt item.. and then I couldn't use the DV chosen with PA as the model Side note DV chosen are the only models even near the size of the new chaos..

I question the effectiveness of all the 1w t4 expensive CSM units. In my experience space marines are pretty garbage and get shot off the board in a single turn. And there's no buffs in your army either except the dark apostle. Think this army will get fried. Spending all those points just to get the 3cp from RC really worth it? You could take poxwalkers instead and take more deadly stuff.

When ever I take marines they're lucky if they shoot once, maybe twice before they're gone.

played a friend over the weekend who took smurfs and I killed one of his entire 10 man squads in one turn with two oblitz lol. They never even fired. Deep striked in and whole squad was gone.

germ wrote:
I question the effectiveness of all the 1w t4 expensive CSM units. In my experience space marines are pretty garbage and get shot off the board in a single turn. And there's no buffs in your army either except the dark apostle. Think this army will get fried. Spending all those points just to get the 3cp from RC really worth it? You could take poxwalkers instead and take more deadly stuff.

When ever I take marines they're lucky if they shoot once, maybe twice before they're gone.

played a friend over the weekend who took smurfs and I killed one of his entire 10 man squads in one turn with two oblitz lol. They never even fired. Deep striked in and whole squad was gone.

Yes RC marines Squads are actually worth it, mainly due to CP generation.
It literally brings the cost for CP down to guardsmen levels.

I almost made a similar list to yours.
Did you count the obliterators as 65pts each or 115pts each? Since you can play them now at 65pts I guess but remember that this will get FAQed.
The only difference I have is a Khorne Beserker squad instead of the chosen. With the advance and charge as RC I think this could be good. Altho I run them in a Rhino with Huron who has warptime and a Chaos Lord instead of the DP. The Chaos lord has the free Melta relic.

Tzusam wrote:
I almost made a similar list to yours.
Did you count the obliterators as 65pts each or 115pts each? Since you can play them now at 65pts I guess but remember that this will get FAQed.
The only difference I have is a Khorne Beserker squad instead of the chosen. With the advance and charge as RC I think this could be good. Altho I run them in a Rhino with Huron who has warptime and a Chaos Lord instead of the DP. The Chaos lord has the free Melta relic.

I'm new to CSM with Shadowspear - what's this about a pending point increase?

 Red Acolyte wrote:

Tzusam wrote:
I almost made a similar list to yours.
Did you count the obliterators as 65pts each or 115pts each? Since you can play them now at 65pts I guess but remember that this will get FAQed.
The only difference I have is a Khorne Beserker squad instead of the chosen. With the advance and charge as RC I think this could be good. Altho I run them in a Rhino with Huron who has warptime and a Chaos Lord instead of the DP. The Chaos lord has the free Melta relic.

I'm new to CSM with Shadowspear - what's this about a pending point increase?

Ok Situation as follows:
Shadowspear hiked the price off obliterators to 115 pts.
Codex 2.0 has however again the old price tag off 65 pts.

GW stated that the newest book always takes precedent, now the problem is the new book has the new profile from shadowspear but alot cheaper.

Basically GW Fethed up.

115p oblits..

Reading through the csm tactics threat.. for tomorrow's game I' m altering the list bit more..swapping the DP and chosen squad into 3rd oblit and a bike lord with TH and intoxicating elixir.. leaves me 20 spare points.. maybe shooting myself in the leg, but don't really have any better to do with them, but to maximize RCC's saturation and swapping both AC from 5man csm squads into RCC's too.. Orks you have been warned.

Biker lord with elixir.. 20 move + charge.. should get him into combat and maybe even buff the dropping oblits with reroll aura T2 if still alive. I loose the possible death hex from DP, but psychic powers aren't fail proof.

Overall thoughs?

I'll let you know how it goes.. playing against RG primaris with some new vanguard units..

Xirax wrote:
115p oblits..

Reading through the csm tactics threat.. for tomorrow's game I' m altering the list bit more..swapping the DP and chosen squad into 3rd oblit and a bike lord with TH and intoxicating elixir.. leaves me 20 spare points.. maybe shooting myself in the leg, but don't really have any better to do with them, but to maximize RCC's saturation and swapping both AC from 5man csm squads into RCC's too.. Orks you have been warned.

Biker lord with elixir.. 20 move + charge.. should get him into combat and maybe even buff the dropping oblits with reroll aura T2 if still alive. I loose the possible death hex from DP, but psychic powers aren't fail proof.

Overall thoughs?

I'll let you know how it goes.. playing against RG primaris with some new vanguard units..

Good luck mate! Let me know how the game went.
I'm really curious of the new oblits and how the biker lord performed and if you think the RCC are worth it on regular the troops .

Was the weirdest maelstorm for awhile.. we played visions of victory from CA18. I won 3-1 on T5. Your opponent choosing your missions dramatically drops your scoring..

My MvP was the lascannon havocs even though I shot infantry. I killed 2 squads of inceptors and a squad of supressors with them. Whole squad died every time I shot at these. Extra CP came in handy. I think I used endless cacophony four times and one redeploy strat once. Huron and DA boosted my havoc shooting and it was neccesary against -1 to hit from raven guard. Think I failed prescience twice, so it's quite tough spell to succeed.

I didn't get to shoot with my RCC havocs. We discussed after game that they were threatning to close in and I didn't want to move them over a cap on the battlefield, because they would have been sitting ducks for one turn out in the open. I shot some RCC from the big squad of chaos marines when they redeployed in the enemy zone T2 along with obliterators.. Oblits dropped (s8 ap -1 d2) redemptor dreadnought to 5wounds and 2nd volley with cacophony I shot two oblits at the redemptor dropping it to 1w and 3rd oblit killed only one intercessors.

10man chaos marines shot all of the weapons in a intercessor squad killing 1-2 intercessors.. We played the RC redeploy strat the way that it didn't count as moving so RCC was shot at full BS.

Eliminators shaved few wounds from the bike lord with anti-LoS bullets.. I was about to drive the bike next to oblits, but they died in the drop turn. And the enemy gunline without a objective not active for me made me attack another intercessors squad. Killed 4 with the hammer and got 3 damage from intercessors power fist, leaving it to 1w and it died in the preceeding raven guard turn in the fight phase.

Hellbrute was a good sheriff in the back field shooting and killing 4 out of 6 infiltrators in the charge phase. Advance+charge helped here.

Oblits managed to charge two leftover intercessors killing them, but even that my opponent didn't realize he had a possibility move and advance within 6" of the oblits for null zone.. massed overcharged plasma from inceptors and hellblasters just vaporized the oblits.

My takes from the game:
24" range isn't much. RCC and oblit weaponry. If you play aggrrssively with them you are most likely getting cooked the next turn. I didn't have any other juicy targets in the gameboard except the redemptor in the RG castle. Havocs made sure any flying marines didn't stay on board for long. Supressors were in the gunline T1 so +2 to hit from DA&prescience made em' gone with the endless cacophony.

I will try an even bigger chaos marine blob to enter enemy territory and I'll take a 2nd RCC in there. I will swap the RCC from my backfield objective sitters into cheaper autocannons with more range. They didn't do much.. one small squad died from inceptor bolter fire.

Oblits are expensive 345p to die.. I will try to combo oblits and bike lord's aura next time.

It was just a one game and a weird one..


Edit:

Ok, here's revised list from my takes of testing:

Red corsairs batallion and spearhead (devastation battery)

Batallion

Bike lord w TH & combi-bolter, intoxocating elixir, MoS
Dark apostle w warpsight plea, 2x disciples

5x csm w autocannon, chainsword & combi-bolter
5x csm w autocannon, chainsword & combi-bolter
10x csm w 2x RCC, chainaxe & combi-bolter, MoS

Hellbrute w TLC, power scourge
Hellbrute w TLC, hellbrute fist

Spearhead

Huron Blackheart w prescience, WL

Havocs w 4x LC, chainsword & combi-bolter, MoS
Havocs w 4x RCC, chainaxe & combi-bolter, MoS
2x Oblits, MoS

1500

My apetite is rising while I'm building my new chaos.

Could this work in a more competitive environment?

Red corsairs batallion

Huron, WL (reaver lord), prescience
Lord Discordant, MoK, talisman of burning blood

5x csm, bolters
5x csm, bolters
5x csm, bolters

Red corsairs batallion - devastation battery

Dark Apostle, 2x disciples, warpsight plea, field commander (armour bane)
Lord discordant, MoK

5x csm, bolters
5x csm, bolters
10x csm, bolters, 2x RCC, MoS

Helbrute, fist, TLC
Helbrute, fist, TLC

Havocs, 4x LC, MoS
Havocs, 4x RCC, MoS

Alpha legion patrol

Daemon prince with wings, MoS, intoxicating elixir, warptime

10x cultists

10x berzerkers, MoK

2000p
17cp

I only lack a second LD so this is easily maneuvered..

Xirax wrote:
My apetite is rising while I'm building my new chaos.

Could this work in a more competitive environment?

Red corsairs batallion

Huron, WL (reaver lord), prescience
Lord Discordant, MoK, talisman of burning blood

5x csm, bolters
5x csm, bolters
5x csm, bolters

Red corsairs batallion - devastation battery

Dark Apostle, 2x disciples, warpsight plea, field commander (armour bane)
Lord discordant, MoK

5x csm, bolters
5x csm, bolters
10x csm, bolters, 2x RCC, MoS

Helbrute, fist, TLC
Helbrute, fist, TLC

Havocs, 4x LC, MoS
Havocs, 4x RCC, MoS

Alpha legion patrol

Daemon prince with wings, MoS, intoxicating elixir, warptime

10x cultists

10x berzerkers, MoK

2000p
17cp

I only lack a second LD so this is easily maneuvered..

That is horrifying. Thank you! I'm going to post a classic list, as I think red corsairs arn't the best, I just have tons of regular space marines lying around that are more than willing to turn into space pirates.

Personally I'm a fluff player, the player with a list of nothing but flyers wants me not to play too fluffy. The tourny level list I'm wanting to field is the Abbaddon and cultists spam. I just honestly don't know how to make it work other than what to do with Abbaddon and the cultists.

There are a few awesome dudes at my store, but they still play strong lists. Thankfully a few of them are toning it down for me to learn, but one person built his list in the store, just to counter mine. He acted confused when I spent the entire game fething with him.