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I know. There are probably more posts about this but i like the idea of "freelancer" space marines like ex death guard or other traitor legion loyalists who lived from HH to 40k(Is this even possible without warp corruption shenanigans?)Yet they are avoiding Imperium(especially inquisitors) because of legions betrayal but they hate chaos and xenos. Should i use standard blackshield color scheme or maybe add to kneepads or pauldrons some of the legions old colors(to remember old legions and how they screwed up or maybe lack of black paint to color the rest of power armor)?
Second thing is models. Can classic mk6 marines be in this group? What about using primaris as character models? ( you know they are bigger...)
If this would even work in 40k without deathwatch thing and without excessive amount of creating own rules?
Any help is appreciated!

Fluff wise have a read of 'Carcharodons: Outer Dark'. Also, 30k Blackshields and 40k Deathwatch Blackshields are very different things.

Game wise I'd just pick either Codex: Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines and run them like that - in most cases the paint scheme has little to no effect on rules.

beast_gts wrote:
Fluff wise have a read of 'Carcharodons: Outer Dark'. Also, 30k Blackshields and 40k Deathwatch Blackshields are very different things.

Game wise I'd just pick either Codex: Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines and run them like that - in most cases the paint scheme has little to no effect on rules.

Thanks! But still is there a slightest chance of Space marine to live almost 10 000 years without dreadnought?
About deathwatch blackshields. They are SM who removed any connection from previous chapter.... so technically anyone can be blackshield so why not an old legion SM?

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

Thanks! But still is there a slightest chance of Space marine to live almost 10 000 years without dreadnought?

Warp travel does weird gak.

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

About deathwatch blackshields. They are SM who removed any connection from previous chapter.... so technically anyone can be blackshield so why not an old legion SM?

Theoretically yes. However, Blackshields are only a small proportion of a Watch contingent. You wouldnt be fielding an entire army of them. If you're looking for a means to field a mixed semi-renegade or ad-hoc formation of mixed chapters, its not the way to go. Realistically, using the new SM codex and just painting your lads in mixed chapter livery is a reasonable approximation.

Sterling191 wrote:

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

Thanks! But still is there a slightest chance of Space marine to live almost 10 000 years without dreadnought?

Warp travel does weird gak.

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

About deathwatch blackshields. They are SM who removed any connection from previous chapter.... so technically anyone can be blackshield so why not an old legion SM?

Theoretically yes. However, Blackshields are only a small proportion of a Watch contingent. You wouldnt be fielding an entire army of them. If you're looking for a means to field a mixed semi-renegade or ad-hoc formation of mixed chapters, its not the way to go. Realistically, using the new SM codex and just painting your lads in mixed chapter livery is a reasonable approximation.

Okey. I thinked about some traitor legion loyalists ship coming from trip that took THEM few days but realistically 10 000 years and they gonna be like: Wot happened? so i have still 2 questions:
1. Blackshield primaris as a character and mk6 marines are a
good idea?
2. Paint scheme that i mentioned above.

Paint whatever makes you happy. As to modeling, just be consistent with your conversions.

Sterling191 wrote:
Paint whatever makes you happy. As to modeling, just be consistent with your conversions.

To be honest i never done any conversion before and this is my first project literally from scratch. Any advice? I dont want to end up creating buffed version of chaos spawn.

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

To be honest i never done any conversion before and this is my first project literally from scratch. Any advice? I dont want to end up creating buffed version of chaos spawn.

It all comes down to knowing what you're going to run particular units as, and then being consistent with those choices. To use your example, if you're using primaris as your characters, don't include a primaris model in a tactical squad later on. You need to be able to (and have your opponent be able to) look at your army and have a reasonable ability to tell what each model represents.

Sterling191 wrote:

sajmonikpl1 wrote:

To be honest i never done any conversion before and this is my first project literally from scratch. Any advice? I dont want to end up creating buffed version of chaos spawn.

It all comes down to knowing what you're going to run particular units as, and then being consistent with those choices. To use your example, if you're using primaris as your characters, don't include a primaris model in a tactical squad later on. You need to be able to (and have your opponent be able to) look at your army and have a reasonable ability to tell what each model represents.

Ok maybe JUST MAYBE im gonna make it. Thanks for advice!
Fun fuct: with reasonable part. You just described entire alpha legion.

As a lore question for you: how would you have a Primaris Blackshield coming from the Horus Heresy, when the Primaris project didn't begin until after the Heresy?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
As a lore question for you: how would you have a Primaris Blackshield coming from the Horus Heresy, when the Primaris project didn't begin until after the Heresy?

I meant to use primaris miniature as a leader because of the helmet and fact he is bigger than others.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
As a lore question for you: how would you have a Primaris Blackshield coming from the Horus Heresy, when the Primaris project didn't begin until after the Heresy?

Warp shenanigans is always the answer.
Primaris goes into the warp today, gets lost, comes out 10k years earlier.

ccs wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
As a lore question for you: how would you have a Primaris Blackshield coming from the Horus Heresy, when the Primaris project didn't begin until after the Heresy?

Warp shenanigans is always the answer.
Primaris goes into the warp today, gets lost, comes out 10k years earlier.

Its silly but its true! I remember when ork warboss warp bumped years earlier to get from himself his own weapon. So he killed younger version of himself and straight up erased himself from existence AND biggest waaagh in the galaxy that he gathered for YEARS so they vanished. I wonder what would happened if one of MIA primarch in warp travelled back to before HH and met Emperor and past version of himself! That would be interesting.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blackshields

Renegade Merc Space Marines that arent necessarily Chaos, check
Use non-standard gear (IE your Primaris Equipment), check
Genetic Modifications (to get you bigger +1 W and A Marines), check
Go by the name Black Shield, also check

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blackshields

Renegade Merc Space Marines that arent necessarily Chaos, check
Use non-standard gear (IE your Primaris Equipment), check
Genetic Modifications (to get you bigger +1 W and A Marines), check
Go by the name Black Shield, also check

So, what am i missing?

Nothing, they are in a sense Freelance Astartes. Who are called Blackshields. They have rules (only in 30k) but can be used to justify the existence of a modern group of Marines that operate similarly.

Your Primaris models wouldnt need to be renegade Primaris, but "Experimented Upon" Astartes, their weapons, Illegal upgrades or salvaged.

Even room there for you to come up with your own colors or just use Black.

One of the Heresy Era factions of Blackshields still exists in 40k the Ashen Claws, so you could even just use them.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Nothing, they are in a sense Freelance Astartes. Who are called Blackshields. They have rules (only in 30k) but can be used to justify the existence of a modern group of Marines that operate similarly.

Your Primaris models wouldnt need to be renegade Primaris, but "Experimented Upon" Astartes, their weapons, Illegal upgrades or salvaged.

Even room there for you to come up with your own colors or just use Black.

One of the Heresy Era factions of Blackshields still exists in 40k the Ashen Claws, so you could even just use them.

Thank you! I had some spare parts so i thinked about own chapter but its boring so i choose the hard way. Im collecting ultrablueberries but recently i wanted something different. A team/squad of unlucky warp travellers who came to space hulk for loot but they ended up in 40k.