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Hi, so I was toying with some house-rules for standard and Elysian veteran squads having special tactics, like in the older codices.

Veteran Special Tactics
Any Veteran Squad (or Elysian Veteran Squad) can choose one of the following Veteran Special Tactics below:

Grenadiers - 2 points per model
The unit improves their Sv characteristic to 4+ and can replace their lasguns with hot-shot lasguns and laspistols with hot-shot laspistols.

Forward Observers - 3 points per model
The unit gains the Camo Cloak and Concealed Positions abilities (see page 125 of the Adeptus Astartes codex).

Demolitions - 1 points per model
The unit gains krak grenades. The Sergeant and up to two Veterans may take melta bombs for 2 points each.

What do people think?

Why would I ever use a Grenadier when Scions exist?

The best way to handle Vets to have them gain special rules per the Regiment they're from. For example, Catachan ones might be great at ambushes or something, so maybe they reroll 1s to wound vs their nearest target? I'm not good on the fluff but that's the idea I would roll with.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Why would I ever use a Grenadier when Scions exist?

The best way to handle Vets to have them gain special rules per the Regiment they're from. For example, Catachan ones might be great at ambushes or something, so maybe they reroll 1s to wound vs their nearest target? I'm not good on the fluff but that's the idea I would roll with.

Elysians don't have access to Scions without making a new detachment, which is annoying and the reason I made these.

These are just adding the options we had during 5th to 7th for veteran squads.

We have the various sub factions though, so making their Vets into something new altogether is something you can risk making rules for. The ones you did are the same old and tired ones and will always have one that's strictly superior. Making each Vet act unique opens up more options.

 Thymais wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Why would I ever use a Grenadier when Scions exist?

The best way to handle Vets to have them gain special rules per the Regiment they're from. For example, Catachan ones might be great at ambushes or something, so maybe they reroll 1s to wound vs their nearest target? I'm not good on the fluff but that's the idea I would roll with.

Elysians don't have access to Scions without making a new detachment, which is annoying and the reason I made these.

These are just adding the options we had during 5th to 7th for veteran squads.

Nobody has access to Scions with their specialties without making a new Detachment.

 Thymais wrote:

Grenadiers - 2 points per model
The unit improves their Sv characteristic to 4+ and can replace their lasguns with hot-shot lasguns and laspistols with hot-shot laspistols.

I'm unclear on how this varies from just taking scions. I know they don't get their own special chapter tactics if you take them inside a detachment of <REGIMENT>, but you can take them and end up with basically what you've presented here right? Even better, the storm troopers would have obsec and would fill out a troop slot in a batallion. Also, these "grenadiers" don't have any grenade-related rules, and that's weird to me.

Forward Observers - 3 points per model
The unit gains the Camo Cloak and Concealed Positions abilities (see page 125 of the Adeptus Astartes codex).

Not opposed to this one. It's fluffy. Is it useful though? Infiltrating what are basically just guardsmen in melee seems like a good way to help your opponent advance up the table (by charging you).

Demolitions - 1 points per model
The unit gains krak grenades. The Sergeant and up to two Veterans may take melta bombs for 2 points each.

Also fluffy and probably fine, but I'm still not sure how useful this is.

Maybe create a few stratagems unique to each veteran type that gives them a little more substantial oomph? Let observers "mark " a point on the table, and give artillery in your army a bonus when they shoot at units within 9" of that mark on your following turn. Or maybe let them them snipe at characters with their lasguns. Let your demolitionists treat Grenades as Melee weapons in the fight phase. Let grenadiers... do whatever grenadiers are supposed to do that demolitions don't. Disrupt enemy infantry or something?

I also liked Slayer-Fan's suggestion of making regiment-specific vet rules. Maybe let vets from a given regiment select the unique regiment vet option instead of one of the standard ones? So charging catachan vets has a chance of triggering a booby trap. Tallarn vets can disembark after their non-flyer transport finishes moving (or deploying from reserves). That sort of thing.