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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/07 02:23:50
Subject: Inquisitorial inquiry.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Lets say I decide to pick up an inquisition detachment, but have my own plans to split it between two ordos.
Is that allowed?
eg.
ordo minoris inquisitor
5 ordo minoris acolytes
jokareo from ordo hereticus
3 acoloytes from ordo malleus
(That's question 1. 1a is "do they all still get their quarry rules in play? Ie, can the malleus guys reroll all wound and all hit rolls against chaos or deamon? Can the minoris do so against characters? Cause its not quite a regimental doctrine, this power.
Now question 2.
You can have just 1 acolyte, that used to make him a character and he would cost a bunch extra. Is that still so or did pariah do away with it.
Now question 3.
Lets say you have that same detachment but the jokareo was a malleus jokareo, and you picked him as your warlord proper, could you then give him the warlord power from malleus to make him a 1 cast, 1 spell known, 1 deny psyker (oddly, the only one in the game who don't know smite?) Could you ALSO ghen give him a second spell with alpha psyker? You could still "agent of the emperor's will" the minoris inquisitor, although that seems kind of crappy relic choices and not such great warlord traits. However, you could also, if I am right, pick a jokaero from ordo xenos, and declare him your warlord, to earn back a cp a round (potentially). Wierd but is it possible?
Now lets say you are the inquisitor and the enemy is going to charge with a buttload (metric or SAE) of biker models. You know this but you notice that if you put your 3 acolytes THERE and your jokaero just THERE, and your inquisitor behind a nearby wall, you could block their likely avenues of attack. Will the strategem "clandestine operation" permit cross Ordo cooperation in the scout style setup?
That's question 4.
4a is "and I assume that it functions just like a scout setup? Meaning alternating scout stuff placed? Or does all THREE of these slap down on the board by the strategem after the marine opponent has put out his first incursor unit?
Whew. Anyone who knows about all this stuff, would be helpful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/07 08:12:18
Subject: Re:Inquisitorial inquiry.
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Dakka Veteran
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1 - This is legit as they all share the INQUISITION keyword and nothing says that their ordos have to match.
1a - It looks like they get their Quarry abilities on a per-unit basis. I don't see anything that stops you from mixing and matching.
2 - If you take a one-man acolyte squad then he is a character automatically for no cost ('Agent' ability).
3 - I think they messed up here. It looks like they assumed that your Inqusitor would always be you warlord, but I don't think there is anything actually forcing this to be the case. However, the wording says your warlord knows 'one additional' psychic power. I would argue that the intention is clearly that you need to be a psyker already in order to make use of this. Letting a Jokaero use Telethesia powers is one of those things that is so wrong that you shouldn't entertain it in the first place. As far as I can see, the Ordo Xenos thing would be legit. I reckon you could also give goodies to your lone acolyte character.
4 - That statagem is used during deployment. Instead of deploying the units normally you can potentially place them outside of your deployment zone, but they all have to stick near the Inquisitor so you can't (easily) block multiple paths. Their ordos are irrelevant.
4a - No. It happens instead of deploying them regularly, not at the end of the deployment phase when scout moves would happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/07 09:00:31
Subject: Inquisitorial inquiry.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Awesome, and thanks!
Can anyone refine that answer about 4/4a? Scout SETUP and scout MOVES are different phases.
4a .. Against some incursors and invictor warsuits, Let us say that I play this deployment option (inquisition clandestine strategem) ... do I deploy all 3 of these units as a single block en bloc, or do I deploy the inquisitor first, then my opponent puts an invictor warsuit down on one side (blocking my further deploying on that side, mostly, cause of the 9 inch bubble) .. and letting me then place the acolytes on the Other side (blocking his using that side to put another incursor down for 6 inches from inquisitor to the first acolyte, and then anther 15 inches wide zone that is more or less 9 inches from my deployment zone .. by maximally spacing the 5 acolytes ... and thus creates a bubble around 19 inches deep on one side that he can't access with drop pods, nor even with a valkyrie using precision drop, nor will he be able to move his bikers through that wall of acolytes.
IF my 3 units go down simultaneously cause fo the strat, then I might bring a jokaero or demonhost to be a "left wing" of this, and the zone goes from 21 to 28 inches wide, potentially. I can probably fit that so that a few key pieces of terrain help cover the gaps between inquisitor and other pieces, and then bring forward (in pregame move) my scout sentinals to make sure of that. If I also have a few troops along the deployment line, it becomes almost impossible for even a clever player to drop troops on me with master of ambush, with long moves by bikers across the board, with infiltrate strategems, with scout DEPLOY strategems, or so further and so forth. Even if my opponent places one single incursor unit midfield (which he likely would do as his first move) I can place the whole big pile in a massive arc around him, such that he can't place anything closer than it (9 inches to my deploy zone) and he can't place anything beyond it -- cause I have a circle of stuff now, 9 inches beyond HIM, as the second deploy of the game. Then I can line my own wall of deployment with a few troops.
So there are suddenly two layers of troops (the midfield either circular or straight, and my deployment line lined) and there are areas my opponent is no longer able to set up his stuff in a manner that prohibits me from doing any scout moves at all with my own sentinals.
Cause yep, I am pretty much at the point where every time I play my opponent, he puts 3 units of incursors across my deployment line before the end of deployment, locking my sentinals in place (9 inch bubble), and blocking me from affecting the midfield, which he now completely controls and can bring his alpha strikes through to table me by early turn 2.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/07 10:12:56
Subject: Re:Inquisitorial inquiry.
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Players alternate setting up one unit at a time, beginning with the defender, during deployment. Clandestine operation tells you to set up all those 3 units at the same time, more than 9" away from the enemy deployment zone, and all within 6" of the INQUISITOR. The stratagem can be played at any time during deployment. Even before your opponent sets up his first unit. Your three units can be the first units which are set up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/07 10:34:50
Subject: Inquisitorial inquiry.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Outstanding!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/07 16:32:07
Subject: Re:Inquisitorial inquiry.
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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p5freak wrote:Players alternate setting up one unit at a time, beginning with the defender, during deployment. Clandestine operation tells you to set up all those 3 units at the same time, more than 9" away from the enemy deployment zone, and all within 6" of the INQUISITOR. The stratagem can be played at any time during deployment. Even before your opponent sets up his first unit. Your three units can be the first units which are set up.
No where in that strat does it say they must be set up at the same time, nor does it even give you permission to do so - it just changes the location where they may deploy. Otherwise follow the mission rules for order of deployment, just with different locations for those selected units.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/01/07 16:52:13
Subject: Re:Inquisitorial inquiry.
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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True, all the stratagem does is to change where those units can be set up. You would continue alternate setting up units one by one, as described in step 11. I was wrong in my previous answer.
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