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So I am new to this, and I am trying to assemble my first army. I could use some list advice, though. This is my first list:

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - White Scars) [45 PL, 6CP, 995pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**

Battle Size [6CP]: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, 140pts]: Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Litany of Hate, Rites of War, Warlord

Primaris Chapter Master [7 PL, 145pts]: Chapter Command: Chapter Master
. Heavy bolt pistol, Master-crafted power sword and Relic shield: Master-crafted power sword, Relic Shield

+ Troops +

Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 115pts]
. 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol
. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Thunder hammer

Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 115pts]
. 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol
. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Thunder hammer

+ Elites +

Redemptor Dreadnought [9 PL, 180pts]: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Heavy flamer, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator

+ Fast Attack +

Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt
. 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle

Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt
. 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle

++ Total: [45 PL, 6CP, 995pts] ++


I am not sure which litanies and wargear to put on the chaplain, nor am I 100% sure white scars is the best chapter. My strategy would be to have the chaplain and outriders run up the board first and kill what they can/ possibly take some objectives, while the rest of the force slogs up. With the new dark angel raven wing rules, would I be better to make this dark angels, and switch to an outrider detachment?

Here is what I was thinking for bringing it up to 2k:


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - White Scars) [55 PL, 1,225pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**

Detachment Command Cost

+ HQ +

Primaris Captain [5 PL, 105pts]
. Heavy bolt pistol, Master-crafted power sword and Relic shield: Master-crafted power sword, Relic Shield

Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, 140pts]: Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Litany of Hate, Warlord

+ Troops +

Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 115pts]
. 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol
. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Thunder hammer

Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 115pts]
. 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol
. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol, Thunder hammer

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]
. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine
. Infiltrator Sergeant

+ Elites +

Redemptor Dreadnought [9 PL, 180pts]: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Heavy flamer, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator

+ Fast Attack +

Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt
. 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle

Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt
. 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle

Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt
. 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle

++ Super-Heavy Detachment -6CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [40 PL, 775pts] ++

+ Lord of War +

Armiger Warglaives [7 PL, 135pts]
. Armiger Warglaive: Heavy Stubber

Armiger Warglaives [7 PL, 135pts]
. Armiger Warglaive: Heavy Stubber

Knight Crusader [26 PL, 505pts]: Heavy Stubber, Thermal Cannon, Twin Icarus Autocannon

++ Total: [95 PL, 2,000pts] ++

I am less sold on this one. I know that souping knights is not the best competitive option, but I have the models, and I would like to do so in a way that would not be completely terrible. Is there any way to improve on this and still keep the three knights? I also want to stick to primaris units only. Thanks!

1k list looks good. It has all the elements to make use of the WS abilities. Only thing that stands out is the dreadnaught, but it does fill the heavy firepower role well.

You may want to consider an Apothicarty and Bladeguard unit at higher points. It works great as an "anvil" for your bikes to play "hammer" against.

The trick with WS is pacing yourself until turn 3 to get those sweet D2 chain swords revving

I like the 1000 points list and the dread fits nicely in my opinion as you’ll still need some kind of back field support for objectives.

Personally however for low point games I would look to trim some of the extras such as the character boosts and thunder hammers and use that to get another unit in your back field or an ATV with melta for extra firepower.

IMHO Knights don't add much to a Primaris heavy list, as Astartes already can bring heavy hitting melee, ranged, and armor.

Thanks for all the input

After fudging around with the boosts like Sumilidon suggested, I realized that I could put a 3 man squad of bladeguard in the 1k list. Is one squad of three enough to be worth it for the bladeguard?

And I'm still iffy on the 2k list. I know knight soup is not that good for marines, but I would like to be able to paint up the knights that I have and use em lol

Maybe kick out an outrider squad or the infiltrators for some bladeguard and an apothecary? Thanks again!