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So clarifier: I do not play Orks, Never have. Know just enough about there rules to make mistakes in understanding, last night my friend and I were mock playing, and he was asking if the new Bomb Squigs fall under Dakka Dakka Dakka.

I told him I thought they are single use weapons, ala the Tank Hammer. Then I remembered the thread on here. I can't tell if we ever got a resolution.

With the new Bomb Squigs coming out I just want to know, do I have to worry about tons of D3 mortals coming at me soon.

I think the new rules are specific enough that the attack ends directly after the damage is dealt now, so no second attack.

Assuming DDD stays the same, they have no interaction. The new Bomb Squigs are not weapons, nor is any unit making shooting attacks.

Bomb Squigs would no more be affected by DDD than would a psychic power.

 MinMax wrote:
Assuming DDD stays the same, they have no interaction. The new Bomb Squigs are not weapons, nor is any unit making shooting attacks.

Bomb Squigs would no more be affected by DDD than would a psychic power.

And assuming the community article is accurate and complete.

But yeah-that's my call too. It's an ability, not a shooting attack.

As stated above, there's no interaction between current Dakka! Dakka! Dakka! and the new Bomb Squigs, because the new Bomb Squigs are not attacks.

Except that was the defeater for the Tank Hammer argument as well, and they was deemed an attack by YMDC....

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Except that was the defeater for the Tank Hammer argument as well, and they was deemed an attack by YMDC....

That is a severe misremembering of the discussion. Current Bomb Squigs are weapons, thus in order to use them shooting attacks are made, and Dakka! Dakka! Dakka! triggers off of shooting attacks.

New Bomb Squigs as shown in the WarCom article are pure ability, no attacks are made.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Except that was the defeater for the Tank Hammer argument as well, and they was deemed an attack by YMDC....

Tank Hammers were a weapon with an ability.

This isn't a weapon at all.

Maybe wait for the rules? Discussing pre-Codex is pointless.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Except that was the defeater for the Tank Hammer argument as well, and they was deemed an attack by YMDC....

That's wildly inaccurate. In this case, Bomb Squigs aren't weapons and they never roll to hit so there's no way of using DDD with them.

The current bomb squigs are affected by DDD because they are separate models with a 18" shooting attack and the DDD rule.

The new rules seems to be a bespoke rule that is triggered when the unit is selected to shoot, similar to cherubs or watchers in the dark.

So before rolling any attacks, you use the rule, roll a d6, potentially resolve mortal wounds and remove one bomb squig from the wargear list. Then you continue to shoot the unit.

Neither single use nor attacks have any impact on new bomb squigs.

What remains to be seen is whether these squigs can be used from open-topped transports. IMO you cannot measure the 12" to embarked units for any other purpose than shooting.

According to the latest FAQ abilities continue to apply when an embarked unit makes ranged attacks. Bomb squigs is used when a unit makes a ranged attack, assuming its an units ability.

7. Any abilities (including Detachment abilities) that models in
an embarked unit have, or that their weapons have, continue to
apply when they make ranged attacks.

Agree, but are you allowed to measure 12"?

I dont think you can. Because you can only measure for shooting attacks, and bomb squigs arent shooting attacks. Im 100% sure GW didnt think about this.

2. Measure distances and draw line of sight from any point on
the Transport model when models in that unit make the
ranged attacks.

You can measure distances whenever you wish.

CRB, p.199

Catulle wrote:
You can measure distances whenever you wish.

CRB, p.199

How do you measure to a unit that is embarked on a transport?

You can't unless you are allowed to do so by a specific rule.

Probably won't be able to use these embarked in any case as it seems they may be usable by lists that don't include transport ability.. really have to wait and see when the codex actually gets out...