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Hello Folks, I enjoy the board control that Biovores give me and i'm thinking of playing them in a Tyranid CS list.

I'm assuming Spore Mines being spawned by the Biovore don't break the no 1 wound rule as they're not technically in the army list.

What I want to know is, do they get the 5++ save, or are just treated as normal spore mines?

Thanks

I don't believe so.

Unless specified models created mid game are not part of any detachment and thus do gain any abilities that require you to be from a particular detachment.

I think this is born out by a ruling in the daemons FAQ covering summoned daemons.

This is identical to the discussion about tervigon spawning termagaunts. Yes they do get 5++. The crusher stampede wording is such.



The spore mine is a unit in your army. Note though that it is not part of your detcahment, but crusher stampede do not care about that. (Although objective secure on gaunst does.)

While you can lean into this with foritfications, biovores and even the harpy the 5++ does not make a big difference on singel T3 models until you get a big mass of them. I would not be too woried.

For brevety, he is the previus duscission on the excat same topic.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/803110.page

The rules for adding units to your army via reinforcement points only give you the ability to pick keywords for things like <Hive Fleet>, and other keywords on the units data sheet. However crusher stampede is not a keyword on the units datasheet, nor is it an option for one of the selectable keywords on any units datasheet.

This leaves a grey area where people are interpreting how to apply crusher stampede to units, there is no actual permission to give that keyword to units generated during the game.

If you add an unit to the game are you allowed to give it this keyword beyond army selection, no rule actually gives permission to do this. The poster above Niiai also left out the other words in this section that prevent you from picking units with less than X wounds which spore mines are part of. If you are allowed to apply the benefits of crusher stampede when adding an unit to your army, would you also have to apply the restrictions? Logic would say yes, if that were the case then you could not add spore mines(or termagants from a tervigon)

Another interpretation of the rule is that the added models do not gain the crusher stampede keyword, as they have no permission to do so and cannot also abide by the restrictions, but would gain the hive fleet for that detachment per the adding new units rule.

Currently they do get it.

Its not something to worry about in the long run, as the tyranid codex is dropping in a couple months and Crusher Stampede is likely gone.

Currently they don't get it.

I would post something more than I am right because you are wrong, but here we are.

They get a 5+ inv. Please provide a rules citation saying otherwise, just saying they dont get doesnt work.

BENEFITS
All units from your army gain the CRUSHER STAMPEDE keyword.
Units from your army without the MONSTER keyword gain the Shielded by the Hive Mind ability (see below).

Shielded by the Hive Mind
When the Hive Mind wills the total destruction of an enemy through overwhelming force, its gestalt power moves with the beasts it sends forth.

This unit can never gain a Hive Fleet Adaptation.
Models in this unit have a 5+ invulnerable save.

The rules for crusher stampede state that all units from your army gain the CRUSHER STAMPEDE keyword, and Shielded by the Hive Mind. A spore mine is a unit from you army after its created, isnt it ?

There is no way to say this without beeing rude. But ether they do not understand it afteryou have explayed it to them or they are a troll. Do not waste energy on them. Life is to short.

P.98 of white dwarf 471
"If you wish for your army to become an army of renown, it must first adhere to all restrictions laid out for that army of renown"

Restrictions
"Your army cannot include any swarm units and cannot contain any models with a wounds characteristic of 2 or less"

If you create termagants or spore mines does your army contain models with 2 or less wounds? If the answer is yes you are not adhering to the restrictions for this army of renown. How do you reconcile that? How do you ignore the restriction of your army not being allowed to contain models with 2 wounds or less?

because that restriction only exists in the list building stage.

Once the game begins it no longer has any bearing on your list.