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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh




I played a game last night where my opponent charged one of my units. My unit had the fight first rule but he nullified it with a fight last rule. He then went on to claim that I couldn't use the counter offensive strategy due to his rule saying I had to fight last and the FAQ/errata of the strategy stating that I had to wait for all eligible units to fight before I could use it on a unit. I pointed out that in this situation I was considered not to have the fight first rule and he was considered not to have the fight last rule so we were in the normal situational usage of the strategy. He didn't agree due to the wording of the FAQ/errata but we played it under my interpretation of the rules. Was I right or did we play it incorrectly?
   
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From the BRB FAQ ( https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/9329uszc31Meu3N3.pdf ):

Pages 361-362 – Rare Rules, Always Fight First/Last
Add the following paragraphs to the end of this Rare Rules entry:

‘Note that it doesn’t matter how many rules are affecting a unit
that enable it to fight first, or how many rules are affecting it that
say it cannot be selected to fight until after all other units have
done so – if a unit is under the effects of one or more of both
kinds of ability simultaneously, that unit instead fights as if none
of those rules are affecting it.

Note that the Counter-offensive Stratagem requires you to select
a unit that is eligible to fight. This means that if a unit is under
the effects of a rule that says that it is not eligible to fight until
after all other eligible units have done so, then unless that unit is
also under the effects of a rule that lets it fight first
, you will not
be able to select that unit to use the Counter-offensive Stratagem.

Some examples of rules that always allow a unit to strike first
include Martial Superiority and Veil of Time (see Codex: Space
Marines), Precognitive Strike (see Codex: Necrons), etc. Also
note, as per the core rules, that units that have charged fight first
in the Fight phase, and for the purposes of this Rare Rule this is
considered to be a rule that lets a unit always strike first.

Some examples of rules that always make a unit strike last (or say
a unit cannot be selected to fight until after all other eligible units
have done so) include Tempormortis (see Codex: Space Marines),
The Armour of Russ (see Codex Supplement: Space Wolves),
Obeisance Generators (see Codex: Necrons), etc.’


So it looks like your were correct. Your 'fight first' nulified his 'fight last', making your unit eligible to use Counter-offensive.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2022/02/11 14:15:14


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Thank you for your opinion/confirmation.
   
 
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