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So how does strike and fade work in the following scenarios and sub scenarios?

1) The crisis unit fell back from combat in the movement phase. Can they still shoot?
1a) The crisis unit fell back in the combat phase while Kauyon is active (turn 3+). Can they still shoot?
1b) Do they get -1 to hit?

2) The crisis unit is still engaged in the shooting phase. Can they shoot?
2a) Can they only shoot at the unit they are engaged with?
2b) Can the drones in the unit shoot? At the unit they are engaged with or other targets?
2c) Can they move or because it specifies normal move are they stuck?
2d) Can they move if they kill the whole unit they were engaged with and are thus no longer engaged?

Wording on strike and fade:

"Use this stratagem at the start of your shooting phase. Select one Tau Empire JET PACK unit from your army. You can shoot with that unit and then it can make a normal move of up to 6'. That unit cannot shoot again this phase."


Wording on fall back:

"When a unit Falls Back, each model in that unit can move a distance in inches equal to or less than the Move (M) characteristic shown on its datasheet, and when doing so you can move it within Engagement Range of enemy models, but it cannot end its move within Engagement Range of any enemy models – if it cannot do this then it cannot Fall Back. A unit cannot declare a charge in the same turn that it Fell Back. A unit cannot shoot or attempt to manifest a psychic power in the same turn that it Fell Back unless it is TITANIC."


Wording on shooting:

"Start your Shooting phase by selecting one eligible unit from your army to shoot with. An eligible unit is one that has one or more models equipped with ranged weapons. Units that Advanced this turn, and units that Fell Back (other than TITANIC units) this turn are not eligible. If you have no eligible units, your Shooting phase ends. After you have shot with one of your eligible units, you can then select another of your eligible units to shoot with, and so on, until you have shot with as many of your units as you wish.

When you select a unit to shoot with, you select targets and resolve attacks with any or all ranged weapons that models in that unit are equipped with (each ranged weapon can only be shot once per phase). The ranged weapons that models in a unit are equipped with are detailed on its datasheet.

No unit can be selected to shoot with more than once in each Shooting phase. Once all your eligible units that you wish to shoot with have done so, your Shooting phase ends and you progress to the Charge phase."


To me there are 2 valid interpretations.

1) The strike and fade strat overrides the circumstances preventing both shooting (falling back or being engaged for non-battlesuit models) and making a normal move (being engaged) because codex over core

or

2) the strike and fade strat doesnt overridethe circumstances preventing both shooting (falling back or being engaged for non-battlesuit models) and making a normal move (being engaged) because it doesnt specifically say it ignores those circumstances. Thus only battlesuits can shoot when engaged, units can only shoot after fall back if allowed by another rule (like Kauyon or Crisis commander ability, with the -1 and any other criteria intact) and (if engaged) they can only make a normal move if they destroy the unit they are engaged with.

RAW I feel like it might be 1...
   
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Iron-Fist wrote:
So how does strike and fade work in the following scenarios and sub scenarios?

1) The crisis unit fell back from combat in the movement phase. Can they still shoot?
No. Units that fell back are not eligible to shoot barring a special rule that allows them to do so.

1a) The crisis unit fell back in the combat phase while Kauyon is active (turn 3+). Can they still shoot?
1b) Do they get -1 to hit?
Yes. Kauyon allows them to shoot, with a -1 Hit modifier, after falling back.

2) The crisis unit is still engaged in the shooting phase. Can they shoot?
Yes, per the Battlesuits rule

2a) Can they only shoot at the unit they are engaged with?
Yes, per the Battlesuits rule.

2b) Can the drones in the unit shoot? At the unit they are engaged with or other targets?
Only models with the Battlesuit keyword can shoot.

2c) Can they move or because it specifies normal move are they stuck?
2d) Can they move if they kill the whole unit they were engaged with and are thus no longer engaged?
As it states normal move, they can only move if they destroy all enemy models within Engagement range of them with their shooting attacks. Otherwise, moving would require them to Fall Back, which is not a normal move.

As a general point of rules, being allowed to do something doesn't override normal restrictions unless that rule states otherwise. Strike and Fade does not override the normal rules for shooting or making a normal move, it just allows you to do both in the Shoot phase.
   
 
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