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Hey guys. Through 9th edition ive had different statements for what is actually considered "Benefits of cover" and when. This is in relation to my Ork Kommandos getting +2 to their save value when receiving benefits of cover.

I understand the basics that if im getting shot while in a ruin, i get the benefits of cover. I understand that being in a heavy cover while im being hit in close combat, gives me benefits of cover. Both add to my save roll.

ive also been told that benefits of cover arent limited to a save roll. That dense terrain would be benefits of cover when you are being shot.


My question is though, how is that related to close combat when you are being in dense terrain?

Ive found this text in the rules: "If a model has acquired such a bonus (to it's Save, Leadership or other characteristics), it is considered as receiving the benefit of cover." And it does not state that this terrain bonus have to apply in the same phase as im being attacked. So does that mean if im sitting in dense terrain and someone hits me in close combat, i will still get benefits of cover for my kommandos? for a +2 to my save value.

And probably the most important part is the "set to defend" from defensible positon. If i set it to give me +1 to hit, is that considered a benefit of cover? By all means it is a benefit im getting from being in cover. Because many ruins at tournements uses set to defend, and i would argue that its a benefit of cover for that phase, the fight phase. Thus i would assume i get my +2 to my save value?

If this is not how it works then please do tell because wahapedia explains that benefits of cover is anything from a leadership buff from the inspired terrain, to dense to cover. By that right set to defend would also.. work?

Beardedragon wrote:

My question is though, how is that related to close combat when you are being in dense terrain?

Ive found this text in the rules: "If a model has acquired such a bonus (to it's Save, Leadership or other characteristics), it is considered as receiving the benefit of cover." And it does not state that this terrain bonus have to apply in the same phase as im being attacked. So does that mean if im sitting in dense terrain and someone hits me in close combat, i will still get benefits of cover for my kommandos? for a +2 to my save value.

IMPROVING THE BENEFITS OF COVER
Some models have abilities that improve the bonus a model receives to its saving throw when it is receiving the benefit of cover — for example, ‘add 2 instead of 1 to saving throws for models in this unit while it is receiving the benefit of cover’. If a model or unit with such a rule is receiving the benefits of cover from a terrain feature with the Light Cover or Heavy Cover trait, then this rule is applied as written. If that model or unit is receiving the benefits of cover from any other terrain features with any other terrain traits, you instead add 1 to its saving throws, in addition to any other benefits of cover that are gained from those terrain features. In either case, invulnerable saves are unaffected.

There are three types of cover, light, heavy, and dense. If your kommandos are in dense cover they would receive +1 to their saving throws when being attacked in melee. If they are in light or heavy cover they would receive +2 to their savin throws when being attacked in melee. If that dense cover terrain piece also has heavy cover, your kommandos would receive +2 to their saving throws in melee.

I see. so i get nothing from set to defend?

No, i dont think so. There is nothing in the rules saying that set to defend is benefits of cover. Unless you can provide a rule citation that says otherwise ? Maybe i oversaw something ?

 p5freak wrote:
No, i dont think so. There is nothing in the rules saying that set to defend is benefits of cover. Unless you can provide a rule citation that says otherwise ? Maybe i oversaw something ?

i dont know. i just know that when i hover over the benefits of cover from wahapedia it cites "Some pieces of terrain can provide certain bonuses to units in your army. Each bonus and how to acquire it is described in the Terrain Features section of the Core Rules. If a model has acquired such a bonus (to it's Save, Leadership or other characteristics), it is considered as receiving the benefit of cover. ".

By its standard that could also include the leadership +1 from inspiring terrain (which no one uses) but it also says "other characteristics" in this case the set to defend +1 to hit would come to mind.

Admittedly i havent gotten the new large rule books so i can only really cite Wahapedia which isnt an official source. So whether that info is identical to the rules written in the actual core rules book i do not know.

Beardedragon wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
No, i dont think so. There is nothing in the rules saying that set to defend is benefits of cover. Unless you can provide a rule citation that says otherwise ? Maybe i oversaw something ?

i dont know. i just know that when i hover over the benefits of cover from wahapedia it cites "Some pieces of terrain can provide certain bonuses to units in your army. Each bonus and how to acquire it is described in the Terrain Features section of the Core Rules. If a model has acquired such a bonus (to it's Save, Leadership or other characteristics), it is considered as receiving the benefit of cover. ".

Those arent official rules. Its just a comment from the wahapedia developer. These comments are marked by the small wahapedia symbol next to it. If you place your mouse on it, it says wahapedia developer commentary.

 p5freak wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
No, i dont think so. There is nothing in the rules saying that set to defend is benefits of cover. Unless you can provide a rule citation that says otherwise ? Maybe i oversaw something ?

i dont know. i just know that when i hover over the benefits of cover from wahapedia it cites "Some pieces of terrain can provide certain bonuses to units in your army. Each bonus and how to acquire it is described in the Terrain Features section of the Core Rules. If a model has acquired such a bonus (to it's Save, Leadership or other characteristics), it is considered as receiving the benefit of cover. ".

Those arent official rules. Its just a comment from the wahapedia developer. These comments are marked by the small wahapedia symbol next to it. If you place your mouse on it, it says wahapedia developer commentary.

I see. Thanks for the help. I was unaware of the fact that i would only get +1 to my save whiel being in dense terrain though, thats a real bummer. so they only get a +2 to my save while in actual cover saves. Thats handy to know. I might have invulentarily cheated a few times then when taking save throws in dense terrain from shooting attacks.

Whoops.

To clarify, this is the kommando rule: "Sneaky Gitz: Each time an attack is allocated to a model in this unit while it is receiving the benefits of cover, add an additional 2 to any armour saving throw made against that attack.". This still only gives +1 to my save throw when being hit in dense terrain?

Beardedragon wrote:

To clarify, this is the kommando rule: "Sneaky Gitz: Each time an attack is allocated to a model in this unit while it is receiving the benefits of cover, add an additional 2 to any armour saving throw made against that attack.". This still only gives +1 to my save throw when being hit in dense terrain?

Yes, thats what the rare rules say.

 p5freak wrote:

Beardedragon wrote:

To clarify, this is the kommando rule: "Sneaky Gitz: Each time an attack is allocated to a model in this unit while it is receiving the benefits of cover, add an additional 2 to any armour saving throw made against that attack.". This still only gives +1 to my save throw when being hit in dense terrain?

Yes, thats what the rare rules say.

very unfortunate.

Thanks for the heads up buddy

Wait.. this might be weird of me to ask but I get benefits of cover in close combat when im in light cover which only normally adds to my save throw during the shooting phase?

I thought the benefits of cover had to apply to the phase. Like light wouldnt benefit to the fight phase

Again, thats what the rare rules say. If you are in light cover your commandos get +2 to their armour saving throw. Do you see anything in the kommandos rule which limits this to the shooting phase only ? I dont. Are you in light cover during the fight phase ? If yes, are you making armour saving throws in the fight phase ? I think you do. Long story short, your kommandos get +2 to their armour saving throws when they are in light cover during the fight phase.

 p5freak wrote:
Again, thats what the rare rules say. If you are in light cover your commandos get +2 to their armour saving throw. Do you see anything in the kommandos rule which limits this to the shooting phase only ? I dont. Are you in light cover during the fight phase ? If yes, are you making armour saving throws in the fight phase ? I think you do. Long story short, your kommandos get +2 to their armour saving throws when they are in light cover during the fight phase.

Thanks. Makes sense