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Made in au
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The Desciples of Be'lakor Army of Renown has rules that include Chaos Daemons and CSM.

The 40k Content Validity Updates document has the following note relating to the Book of Fire (where DoB comes from) that says "Valid until January 2023 (Unless superseded by a Codex)"

Since CSM now have an updated codex, are Desciples of Be'lakor now considered invalid? Or wouls DoB be invalidated only when a Codex explicitly superseeds the Army of Renown?
   
Made in de
Nihilistic Necron Lord






Germany

The book of fire is still valid, and DoB rules from it are still legal. You can expect new rules for them in the new daemon codex.
   
Made in au
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So to extrapolate and apply this to other potential examples, is the assertion that it's only superseded if the AoR is in a newer publication? (Or GW changes the content validity document)
   
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Nihilistic Necron Lord






Germany

Yes, thats the normal way GW handles rules.
   
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JakeSiren wrote:
So to extrapolate and apply this to other potential examples, is the assertion that it's only superseded if the AoR is in a newer publication? (Or GW changes the content validity document)

It's not 100% clear, since we don't know what GW meant by "superceded by another Codex". Does the new CSM Codex count as superceding it? I'd say probably not, so the AoR would still be valid. If you're attending a tournament probably best to double check with the TO, just in case.
   
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Germany

The new CSM codex cant supercede the book of fire because it has no newer rules for DoB.
   
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Cardiff

 p5freak wrote:
The new CSM codex cant supercede the book of fire because it has no newer rules for DoB.


You know this isn’t true because the Tyranid Codex supersedes the previous supplements whilst containing no newer rule for Crusher Stampede. That’s just gone.

So I’d imagine GW will update their validity list to answer the Q soon enough. Until then hold tight folks, play what’s most fun in your games, and don’t argue ad absurdum with dogmatic strangers on the internet when no one has cast iron proof.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
The new CSM codex cant supercede the book of fire because it has no newer rules for DoB.


You know this isn’t true because the Tyranid Codex supersedes the previous supplements whilst containing no newer rule for Crusher Stampede. That’s just gone.

So I’d imagine GW will update their validity list to answer the Q soon enough. Until then hold tight folks, play what’s most fun in your games, and don’t argue ad absurdum with dogmatic strangers on the internet when no one has cast iron proof.

Rumours are the new Daemon Codex has updated AoR rules. We can look forward to the fun arguments at that point about what "supercede" means and why it doesn't apply in this case, no doubt.
   
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Germany

 JohnnyHell wrote:

You know this isn’t true because the Tyranid Codex supersedes the previous supplements whilst containing no newer rule for Crusher Stampede. That’s just gone.


Not true. GW made those supplements invalid in their validity update.
   
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Florence, KY

Linnk to the aforementioned Content Validity Update.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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Cardiff

 p5freak wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:

You know this isn’t true because the Tyranid Codex supersedes the previous supplements whilst containing no newer rule for Crusher Stampede. That’s just gone.


Not true. GW made those supplements invalid in their validity update.


It’s a clarification document, don’t play dumb. The whole point was it wasn’t clear what superseded what and this clarified the Codex rules took precedence and prior th8ngs weren’t valid for Nids. They’ll update it again in future because of threads with Qs like this. My point stands as nothing wrote disproves it: rules in the Tyranid Codex supersede the prior supplement rules despite there being no identically-named AoR within. That is 100% true, don’t @ me with blathering.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
 
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