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Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






How do!

So after a long hiatus, I’m selling some excess guff on eBay. And if I’m honest, I’m now old enough to be easily confused by technology.

I’ve setup my payment account, as it no longer links to PayPal (yes it’s been that long since I last sold owt on there). So far, so good. First sale done, all packaged up and posted, tracking ref added, buyer messaged and photo of postal receipt included. Still so far, so good.

But….what’s all this about selling limits? It was £675 earlier, now with a £75 sale done and posted, and £90 is bids on my other items? Apparently it’s £300? And I’ve got one bit saying I can post 996 more items this month….and another saying 6?

WTF? Can someone do me a favour and explain?

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

New sellers (or old sellers who haven't sold for a while) have selling limits imposed to prevent scammers/hackers taking over somebodys account, listing a boatload of stuff and vanishing sharpish,

ebay is very unclear what these limits are, and how to get over them presumably so said scammers can't figure out a way round things,

the more stuff you sell without problem (and get feedback on?) the more likely limits are to be increased

did you revise any listings? ebay seems to see revisions as new listings

 
   
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

My trouble with ebay is that is automatically redirects ebay.co.uk to ebay.com.

I cant stop it and I don't know why. It still recognised my location as the UK but converts all prices to dollars. I have to manually deeplink to ebasy.co.uk from within the program.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
New sellers (or old sellers who haven't sold for a while) have selling limits imposed to prevent scammers/hackers taking over somebodys account, listing a boatload of stuff and vanishing sharpish,

ebay is very unclear what these limits are, and how to get over them presumably so said scammers can't figure out a way round things,

the more stuff you sell without problem (and get feedback on?) the more likely limits are to be increased

did you revise any listings? ebay seems to see revisions as new listings


Nothing revised. Only thing I can think of is it’s perhaps predicting the final sale price for the three remaining items.


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Also, seems I need to wait to cash out. Item posted and tracking ref provided, but seems I need to await delivery.

Slight pain, but good for buyer protection, as it kind of stops people taking payment and never posting.

But the models I’m going to sell? That’s a FB job!

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2022/09/03 08:37:27


   
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Mad Gyrocopter Pilot





Northumberland

I was going to say, the middlehammer trading post or similar is my go to rather than ebay.

One and a half feet in the hobby


My Painting Log of various minis:
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Made in gb
Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






And I’m back to being baffled.

Another couple of pieces sold, paid for, posted and received. But unlike last time where the monies were released upon delivery confirmation? Now they’ve given the buyer’s a dispute window, which makes no sense at all.

   
Made in gb
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

Buyers always get a dispute window, its a mechanics thing, and merit has no place in it as merit never enters calculation, it takes too much energy to investigate any case wheras a default judgement can be automated or near auotmated.

Think of it this way.

eBay has TWO PRIORITIES:

1. to get their % fee
2. minimise costs in staffing

Justice doesnt come into it. All eBay wants is any dispute to go away quickly and silently as disputes need arbitration and arbitration costs staff time. So they pick what is likely to be on the large scale smoothest side, a priori, and apply that to all cases unless forced otherwise. This is normally buyers as its easier for them..

So if a buyer pulls any gak and then claims back they get their refund. It's the shortest solution for their end, buyer is not happy, so they get refund of the sellers money, which costs Ebay nothing, and the case is closed, eBay keeps the listing fees and sale percentage and doesn't have to waste any more fractions of a man-hour in service centre staff. If you sell long enough you may encounter a scam buyer, someone who falsely claims non-delivery, or claims the goods were not as ordered. Some a blatant transparent frauds, but if handling the case ethically means someone in a Asian call centre has to work 3 hours for $2 an hour investigating and a fob off takes only ten minutes saving eBay over $5, that is obviously the correct solution.

This may sound cynical and it is, but here cynicism sadly is realism. If you think of eBay (and Kickstarter) as moustache twirler villains when it comes to client protection you will be on good grounds.
Move on, who cares.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/may/21/ebay-accused-failing-sellers-buyers-manipulate-system-protection

As a seller you have to recognise how little you mean to them, and provide your own protection.



I remember my own case. Now this was as a buyer. Here the boot was on the other foot. I detected a fraudulent seller after winning a bid but before payment. I was tipped off by Warseer about someone selling epic vehicles as 40K vehicles and wording his lots in such a way as to mask what I would be getting.
I refused to pay. eBay didn't care, all they wanted was their %. I either paid or lost my 100% feedback rating and got a non paying bidder strike. Which would flag my future bids and kill any credibility I had worked up as as a buyer of close to a decade at this time, as most sellers will delete bids from so flagged buyers.

Again see how this goes:
Post-payment disputes are the sellers fault, as eBay has already been paid, just issue the fraudster a defund of the sellers money and close the case.
Pre-payment disputes are the buyers fault, because if it isn't eBay wont get paid. Get the buyer to pay up or else, get their cut then close the case.
Again merit has nothing to do with it.

To strongarm me they would reply in macros to my comments, not bothering to address any issue, I raised, even with proof provided my myself and supporters on Warseer. Just the same copy pasted reply; and the main gist was that I should exchange personal details with the seller and deal with them directly, then either pay, or accept the feedback hit and non payment strike.

After several rounds of this I contacted the police. I explained my situation and eBay's 'solution' then asked the police if I should exchange personal details with a fraudster The policeman stopped a little because that is a very dumb question, like I had just munched all the stupid pills. Then I explained why.
The policemen understood, took his cue, and told me officially that he did not recommend I give my details to the seller.
Armed with that official police advice and a crime incident number I contacted eBay again. Given no further choice to fob me off, they banned the seller the same day and I did not have to a face a non payment strike.

With ebay you need to provide your own justice, and be aware at all times.

Good luck.


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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

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Ship's Officer





Dallas, TX

eBay gives 'Free Listings' per months, this and the listing limit and amount will go up after some milestones; the alt 6 listings is for automotives.

eBay seller fees have gone up from previous even though they hid it in 'small prints'.
Previous: for most our 40k related category- eBay takes 10% from final sales+ shipping cost, PayPal takes 3-4% from final sales+ shipping cost
Now: eBay takes 12.9% from final sales+ shipping cost+ TAX, a further $0.30 per transaction here in US(varies between region); even though it bypass PayPal, the final seller cost is between 15-20% due to their cut from the TAX


   
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I’m all for buyer and seller protection. Indeed solid buyer protection saves me a professional headache further down the line.

But it’s just….the seemingly lack of consistency. The first batch, funds released upon confirmation of receipt. This is precisely why I send exclusively via tracked methods.

This time? I need to wait longer, for no discernible reason.

Now, either way ultimately works for me. I am new to selling on eBay. And I don’t begrudge those protections because there are a lot of scumbags out there on the scam. Just…please pick one and stick to it, eBay.

   
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Nasty Nob




Crescent City Fl..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m all for buyer and seller protection. Indeed solid buyer protection saves me a professional headache further down the line.

But it’s just….the seemingly lack of consistency. The first batch, funds released upon confirmation of receipt. This is precisely why I send exclusively via tracked methods.

This time? I need to wait longer, for no discernible reason.

Now, either way ultimately works for me. I am new to selling on eBay. And I don’t begrudge those protections because there are a lot of scumbags out there on the scam. Just…please pick one and stick to it, eBay.


I still haven set up to sell over ebay again after these changes. I really want to sell a lot of my models off but it feels like a lot of extra bother now.

As for the reason they are holding your money for so long, I suspect it's so they can get interest payments on a pile of money before distributing peoples money to them. They cut out the middle man by moving away from paypal.
I'm more interested in seller protection than buyer protection. I've been fleeced for about 1500 dollars when I sold my DKoK a few years ago. If this protects me as a seller then I'll set up to sell again.
The problem was both ebay and paypal had to decide the payment was complete and at the time only one of the two gave me the signal to ship. The payment was canceled and my stuff was lost.
Actually getting paid even after await is probably worth the wait.
I will probably get to it after the holidays.

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