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So i noticed that thallax can't upgrade with heavy chainswords in 2.0 and as i'm sticking with original edition (classic edition?) this enables the creation of an army list using nothing but removed unit entries or models which are VERBOTEN! in 2.0 core mechanicum lists.

inb4 "the PDF gives you them back"; isn't it convenient that GW can just say "oh, we'll put it in the PDF.." when they fail and that isn't them utterly neglecting your investment into their IP and caring so little about said IP that they don't even realize the units are missing?
Anyway...

Ordo Reductor 'Matrix of Ruin'

HQ
Archmagos reductor (1) compulsory

Magos Ordinator (1)

Troops
Thallax w.heavy chain blades (3) compulsory

Thallax w.heavy chain blades (3) compulsory

EDIT:
Secutarii Peltasts (10)

Secutarii Hoplites (10)
/EDIT

Elites

Fast Attack
Avenger strike fighter (1)

Tarrantula Sentry gun w.TL photon thrusters (3)

Heavy Support
Thanatar-Cynis (1)


Ordo Reductor Artillery Tank squadron dual melta cannon (1) compulsory


Macrocarid Explorator (1)

Ordo Reductor Minotaur Battery (2) compulsory


Am i missing a cut elite unit? would be good to get those spare slots filled.

The heavy chain blades got replaced by chain bayonets. So it wasn't really a fail, just a rules update since the heavy chain blades option was due to not having bayonet rules before.

If you want stuff missing though. Look at the tech thrall entry ???

My 40 thralls with carapace armour and heavy chain blades are a bit sad now theyre forced to pretend they have las locks


It all will come back in the PDF though. I wouldn't worry about it too much

I absolutely feel you on the Thrall changes - granted a bunch of the conferred abilities have been straight given to them for a smaller points cost but the variety is absolutely fething gone.
They are the fluffiest tarpit i'm aware of and the way they integrated into a lachrimallus list alongside tech-preist auxillia had me playing taghmata lists sometimes.

Regrading the thallax CC weapons; the chain bayonets were the close combat weapon in their wargear - you exchange it for the heavy combat blade in original.
In 2.0 it's similar to the thralls where the thallax augments are binned but part of the ferrox upgrade is now part of having the chain bayonet (as well as the S boost)

You can probably tell i have some converted Thallax with heavy chain blades, so, yeah; i get exactly where you sit with the thralls.


The angering thing is that the PDF cannot bring back the flavor of the Ordo Reductor.

We had our own force org chart (used in the above list), rite of war (matrix of ruin), a second army list specifically for isstvan campains with Calleb Decima and special features for our unique units; all gone.

The pdf also can't bring back them making blast weapons pretty much terrible across the board, good on you for sticking with HH classic.

The artillery tank squadron is reason enough to take reductor, so many cool options.

 SirDonlad wrote:
I absolutely feel you on the Thrall changes - granted a bunch of the conferred abilities have been straight given to them for a smaller points cost but the variety is absolutely fething gone.
They are the fluffiest tarpit i'm aware of and the way they integrated into a lachrimallus list alongside tech-preist auxillia had me playing taghmata lists sometimes.

Regrading the thallax CC weapons; the chain bayonets were the close combat weapon in their wargear - you exchange it for the heavy combat blade in original.
In 2.0 it's similar to the thralls where the thallax augments are binned but part of the ferrox upgrade is now part of having the chain bayonet (as well as the S boost)

You can probably tell i have some converted Thallax with heavy chain blades, so, yeah; i get exactly where you sit with the thralls.


The angering thing is that the PDF cannot bring back the flavor of the Ordo Reductor.

We had our own force org chart (used in the above list), rite of war (matrix of ruin), a second army list specifically for isstvan campains with Calleb Decima and special features for our unique units; all gone.

yup the 2.0 mechanicum list is horrible. so much flavour lost. basically its taghmata with a side dish of cybernetica. I hate what they did to the knights with the armanger tax. I HATE that the secutarri is in a Titans Legion only list now. No termites, no macorid explorer, no fliers, no artillery, no other super heavies ( I mean we only build the bloody things but nope you can't take them anymore). They have totally gutted the Mechanicum of 70% of its charm and flavour. Its pitiful what they did to the cog boys.
I guess im sticking with HH 1.0, the sad thing is I think my group wants to move onto 2.0 dunno why so they can chase the meta like 40k players do? They have taken all of Alan Blighs hard work, flushed it down the toilet and fladerized the legions. Great job GW. There are already people who a month ago where on the HH band wagon complaining that the plastic releases aren't fast enough and how dare they have to work with resin...( ugh resin) and are selling off their armies. This is what I was waiting for the bandwagon jumpers selling off their stuff super cheap. As their stuff gathers more dust and they need more money to fuel the plastic crack addiction they will drop the prices. Sadly I really dislike the mk6 marines. I mean if they make all the armour marks from 2-6 in that scale....maybe? But I really don't like the monopose, have to assemble them one day new kits from GW. Oh well im glad uncle Ho still has cheap stuff you can't get anymore in the FW store. I'd love to source the FW HH black books, but hot dam they are going mostly for 250$ Us and up. Crazy. I'll find them cheap one day or come across a fire sale on them.

I'm also pissed they got rid of the volcano cannon ordinatus.....ugh. Also for the love of god FW PLEASE bring back the generic mechanicum HQ unit... like hes the only one you guys had? why was the SKU cut? did some middle manager get in there after Mr Blighs passing and just cut the under preforming SKU's without looking at what they exactly are? Most probley that's the way it happened sadly.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
I guess im sticking with HH 1.0, the sad thing is I think my group wants to move onto 2.0 dunno why so they can chase the meta like 40k players do?

1.0 is just much better considered. Like I'm still in aw that someone saw the need to change the javelin from a vehicle to... cavalry AND then remove it's abiltiy to move over friendly or enemy models... like this edition feel's like the designer getting even against units they dislike from the past edition. It feels like an entire edition built on the back of a guy who lost 5 terminators to a lucky vindicator shot, once, and decided to re-build the entire game around that never happening again.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
yup the 2.0 mechanicum list is horrible. so much flavour lost. basically its taghmata with a side dish of cybernetica. I hate what they did to the knights with the armanger tax. I HATE that the secutarri is in a Titans Legion only list now. No termites, no macorid explorer, no fliers, no artillery, no other super heavies ( I mean we only build the bloody things but nope you can't take them anymore). They have totally gutted the Mechanicum of 70% of its charm and flavour. Its pitiful what they did to the cog boys.
I guess im sticking with HH 1.0, the sad thing is I think my group wants to move onto 2.0 dunno why so they can chase the meta like 40k players do? They have taken all of Alan Blighs hard work, flushed it down the toilet and fladerized the legions. Great job GW. There are already people who a month ago where on the HH band wagon complaining that the plastic releases aren't fast enough and how dare they have to work with resin...( ugh resin) and are selling off their armies. This is what I was waiting for the bandwagon jumpers selling off their stuff super cheap. As their stuff gathers more dust and they need more money to fuel the plastic crack addiction they will drop the prices. Sadly I really dislike the mk6 marines. I mean if they make all the armour marks from 2-6 in that scale....maybe? But I really don't like the monopose, have to assemble them one day new kits from GW. Oh well im glad uncle Ho still has cheap stuff you can't get anymore in the FW store. I'd love to source the FW HH black books, but hot dam they are going mostly for 250$ Us and up. Crazy. I'll find them cheap one day or come across a fire sale on them.

I'm also pissed they got rid of the volcano cannon ordinatus.....ugh. Also for the love of god FW PLEASE bring back the generic mechanicum HQ unit... like hes the only one you guys had? why was the SKU cut? did some middle manager get in there after Mr Blighs passing and just cut the under preforming SKU's without looking at what they exactly are? Most probley that's the way it happened sadly.

Yeah, everyone who bought an Ordinatus Sagittar got properly shafted.

Nice spot with the Secutarii peltasts and hoplites. will fill out a couple of non-compulsory troop choices with them.

Maybe we should keep quiet about sticking with original edition so the prices of the big black books can come down a bit?

Just spotted that the Dominus Armoured Seige Bombard is missing from the legacies list. *sigh*

edit: also just realised the contemptor-cortus is gawn..