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2024/02/05 05:55:23
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
Hmmm. I was sour on trays because they make the unit's dimensions exceed the dimensions of the constituent models, which should be problematic in competitive play in the same way that basing my topheavy metal TK mounted BSB on a 30x60 because: physics would give me a very very minor competitive advantage... but I digress. Trays that suck up the difference between 25mm bases and 20mm bases wouldn't run into that problem...provided the outer rim of the tray was 2.5mm and the space between model slots was 5mm. That doesn't appear to be the case with the one in the youtube video, but it's close, so close. Too bad (not really) I already rebased most of my stuff.
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2024/02/06 17:53:06
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
march10k wrote: Hmmm. I was sour on trays because they make the unit's dimensions exceed the dimensions of the constituent models, which should be problematic in competitive play in the same way that basing my topheavy metal TK mounted BSB on a 30x60 because: physics would give me a very very minor competitive advantage... but I digress. Trays that suck up the difference between 25mm bases and 20mm bases wouldn't run into that problem...provided the outer rim of the tray was 2.5mm and the space between model slots was 5mm. That doesn't appear to be the case with the one in the youtube video, but it's close, so close. Too bad (not really) I already rebased most of my stuff.
"Sour on trays" I mean... that is just part of the game. Not much you can do about the slight bit of difference except make sure everyone is consistent with how they use them.
march10k wrote: Hmmm. I was sour on trays because they make the unit's dimensions exceed the dimensions of the constituent models, which should be problematic in competitive play
If you magnetise your bases you can use metal movement trays that don't extend beyond the footprint of the unit. This company makes some https://www.minimagtray.co.uk/product-category/wfb-the-old-world/. Alternatively if you do a search on ebay there are plenty of traders that sell sheet steel in various thicknesses and offer a service to cut to your specifications. You normally only get a few cuts free, but some let you pay for more I think.
EDIT: This is especially worthwhile if you use a magnetic carry case as you can transport the models stuck to the movement tray and stick the movement tray to the case with a few magnets. I use this arrangement with my AOS armies and it works nicely, it would be even better in TOW where it will save you a lot of time getting models out of the case and ranking them up.
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2024/02/12 05:02:02
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
Yes, they are very solid. The trays are excellent. The only negative comment is that it took a week or two for them to be printed - loads faster than GW, but not instantaneous.
2024/02/12 18:36:15
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
Feadair wrote: Yes, they are very solid. The trays are excellent. The only negative comment is that it took a week or two for them to be printed - loads faster than GW, but not instantaneous.
As they keep saying, they're swamped with orders and printing isn't fast. They've already doubled their stable of printers and technicians but they don't want to risk going bigger when 3 months from now nobody will care about ToW anymore (my conclusion, not theirs)
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2024/02/12 23:25:35
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
Yes, they are very solid. The trays are excellent. The only negative comment is that it took a week or two for them to be printed - loads faster than GW, but not instantaneous.
Just got mine today. Same conclusion, though I don't even mind the turnaround.
march10k wrote: Hmmm. I was sour on trays because they make the unit's dimensions exceed the dimensions of the constituent models, which should be problematic in competitive play
If you magnetise your bases you can use metal movement trays that don't extend beyond the footprint of the unit.
I did this in WHFB, but have limited appetite to magnetize entire armies a second time on top of buying more sheet metal. I still have nightmares, and probably a looming bout with cancer, from all the superglue on my fingers putting tiny neodymium magnets of hundreds of bases the last time around! Well, I haven't been to a tournament in years, and standard trays are fine for casual play, so it's not a problem for me. Maybe when I retire and have more than a few hours a month for the hobby, I'll have to get some sort of rimless tray system.
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Looking at the link you provided, those trays are an excellent solution even without magnetizing the bases of your models. The only time they wouldn't work is on a slope, but on flat tabletop, they'll glide nicely, and the minis will stay put. Thanks for the link!
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Sadly for me, they're not making them big enough! My core infantry blocks for both TK and Empire are 8x5, and my greatswords are 10x3. I may be in the minority for now, but I think fewer, larger regiments (that stick!) will win out over MSU. There's just too much VP denial potential there. With the imperative to completely wipe whole units to harvest VP (25% points for 75% attrition is a joke!), MSU just isn't viable.
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2024/02/14 09:55:28
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
march10k wrote: I still have nightmares, and probably a looming bout with cancer, from all the superglue on my fingers putting tiny neodymium magnets of hundreds of bases the last time around!
Just as a note, I don't use superglue as it is brittle and the magnets tend to snap back off if they are strong. Instead I use a hot glue gun - just dollop a blob on the underside of the base and then press the model down on the magnet whilst it is attached to a metal plate. It leaves the magnet imbedded in a solid mass of glue. Of course, that has its own problems (like making a horrible stringy mess) but it normally clears up easily enough once dry.
2024/02/14 14:59:27
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
march10k wrote: I still have nightmares, and probably a looming bout with cancer, from all the superglue on my fingers putting tiny neodymium magnets of hundreds of bases the last time around!
Just as a note, I don't use superglue as it is brittle and the magnets tend to snap back off if they are strong. Instead I use a hot glue gun - just dollop a blob on the underside of the base and then press the model down on the magnet whilst it is attached to a metal plate. It leaves the magnet imbedded in a solid mass of glue. Of course, that has its own problems (like making a horrible stringy mess) but it normally clears up easily enough once dry.
I've never had that happen, but I did use a lot of glue, the little magnets were effectively encased in it! But I appreciate the tip about hot glue guns. How do you avoid gluing the base to the metal plate that the magnet is sitting on?
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2024/02/14 15:51:52
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
march10k wrote: How do you avoid gluing the base to the metal plate that the magnet is sitting on?
Oddly that has never been a problem for me - I can usually just slide them sideways off the surface once dry - I don't think the limited surface area of glue in contact with the metal bonds very well with it.
2024/02/18 22:12:40
Subject: movement / converter tray site -- is this one legitimate? Any experience with Mini wargaming Forge?
These arrived from the website in the original post and are excellent quality. Took some time to print and ship from Canada, but worth it for those without access to their own printer. Thanks for reassuring my cold feet everyone.
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