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I came off of FB over a decade ago and never regretted it. Dakka is about 95% of my social media interaction, besides an Instagram account for a small etsy business I set up with my partner last year, and a paired account so that people knew it was me. Nothing that I hear about any platform makes me want to engage with them, and the Instagram account has generated about 4% of our sales, so not really worth the effort there.
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I only really use FB for communicating with friends and family I don’t see often in person, and trawling a couple of groups. Though even for that it’s a pain in the arse, an old mate who now lives overseas posted on a group that he’d be in the country briefly and that he wanted to catch up with the old gang… but FB never sent me the notification so I didn’t know until after. Useless.
Yeah youtube is the same for not sending notifications. All these services keep doing the whole thing of filtering what news you get and even when you get it.
I've seen old posts appear on FB and they almost look new but they are months or years old if the person doesn't post much to their FB account.
As I see it its rather like how Apple design their interfaces - its a system Telling You what it wants you to know rather than Serving You what you actually want to know.
And the worst thing is that you can't even customise this service in anyway, you get whatever the software/managers want you to get in any given time period. Which results in giving them an insane amount of power in twisting what content gets created and promoted if you look at services like youtube and google
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Overread wrote: Yeah youtube is the same for not sending notifications. All these services keep doing the whole thing of filtering what news you get and even when you get it.
Yeah. . . On YT, there's been times where I'll search for a video on a channel im subscribed to, and see "ohh, they posted a brand new video an hour ago", go watch that hour old video. . . and then 3 days later, a notification of "hey, sparkle fluffy pants has uploaded a new video! you should go check it out!" . . . like, bro, waaay ahead of you there.
Overread wrote: Yeah youtube is the same for not sending notifications. All these services keep doing the whole thing of filtering what news you get and even when you get it.
Yeah. . . On YT, there's been times where I'll search for a video on a channel im subscribed to, and see "ohh, they posted a brand new video an hour ago", go watch that hour old video. . . and then 3 days later, a notification of "hey, sparkle fluffy pants has uploaded a new video! you should go check it out!" . . . like, bro, waaay ahead of you there.
They also feth around with the algorithm so heavly that at this point' it's just better to check from hand rather than rely upon the notifications.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Overread wrote: Yeah youtube is the same for not sending notifications. All these services keep doing the whole thing of filtering what news you get and even when you get it.
Yeah. . . On YT, there's been times where I'll search for a video on a channel im subscribed to, and see "ohh, they posted a brand new video an hour ago", go watch that hour old video. . . and then 3 days later, a notification of "hey, sparkle fluffy pants has uploaded a new video! you should go check it out!" . . . like, bro, waaay ahead of you there.
I get similar with Amazon-'buy this book that you have already bought from us two weeks ago...' No logic to the marketing.
Overread wrote: Yeah youtube is the same for not sending notifications. All these services keep doing the whole thing of filtering what news you get and even when you get it.
Yeah. . . On YT, there's been times where I'll search for a video on a channel im subscribed to, and see "ohh, they posted a brand new video an hour ago", go watch that hour old video. . . and then 3 days later, a notification of "hey, sparkle fluffy pants has uploaded a new video! you should go check it out!" . . . like, bro, waaay ahead of you there.
They also feth around with the algorithm so heavly that at this point' it's just better to check from hand rather than rely upon the notifications.
The algorithm is terrible. Channels that I actively avoid and have clicked "do not recommend this channel" still come up all the time.
Once the algorithm decides it's going to make someone popular, they're going to end up popular regardless of anything else because the algorithm just endlessly pushes their videos.
I do get my notifications, but having recently let my YouTube Premium drop off (long, expensive month) the ads are just vile.
Products I have no interest in. Issues I’ve never shown any concern for. And so, so many with utterly obnoxious “music”.
It’s not as if I don’t watch a lot of music videos, from which YouTube can usually make solid recommendations from. Is it really that hard for advertisers to use multiple pieces of music? Because the second I hear dubstep or back-skiffle-scat-jazz or whatever it is they reckon The Kids are listening to these days, I’m just not gonna care what you’re trying to sell me. It could be a two week nudie jelly wrestling holiday with Alex Bliss, Liv Morgan and Elizabeth Olsen, and my brain still shuts off completely at such audio dreck.
How about some punk, ska or metal, man?
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Sometimes I wonder if its just Google having too many masters, especially those with cash influencing them to twist the algorithm to certain agendas.
Or even bots just flooding it with so much false information that its lost all sense of control or meaning on predicting human desires. Even more so when many people will follow what the algorithm shows. Even if they dislike it they still follow it for a time, which just reinforces it.
It's kind of like an ant death spiral and I do wonder if it will be the downfall of Google that they end up with systems that end up so alienated that it gives the market room for a competitor to push in.
Facebook's userbase these days is mostly just older people and people with no grasp on opsec. I left in 2011 and have never looked back. I never felt comfortable with posting my face or pictures of myself and my family.
I always felt antisocial media like FB etc is opening yourself up to being burgled or identity taken. The amount of crime that can be put down to what people post is unbelievable.
When I served in the forces, security was drummed into us but doesn't seem to be so controlled now.
My entire online presence is here. To do with my hobby and nothing else. Only one person on here knows my name and address and that's because I bought an item from him and he is a person who seems to be very discreet in this regard.
Antisocial media is very toxic from what I've seen and even on here there's been a few threads that have made me despair about people. Ours is a hobby which is basically mostly adults, of both sexes I hurry to add before my gaming partner for tomorrow thumps me. She hits hard, big bully. Mostly adults playing with toys to have fun, nothing deeper than that.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Honestly? Not paid that close attention.
I normally have YouTube premium, so just don’t get the ads. But having been Bill Bombed this month I’m starting to see ads. Just not that one. Or those ones.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I do get my notifications, but having recently let my YouTube Premium drop off (long, expensive month) the ads are just vile.
Products I have no interest in. Issues I’ve never shown any concern for. And so, so many with utterly obnoxious “music”.
It’s not as if I don’t watch a lot of music videos, from which YouTube can usually make solid recommendations from. Is it really that hard for advertisers to use multiple pieces of music? Because the second I hear dubstep or back-skiffle-scat-jazz or whatever it is they reckon The Kids are listening to these days, I’m just not gonna care what you’re trying to sell me. It could be a two week nudie jelly wrestling holiday with Alex Bliss, Liv Morgan and Elizabeth Olsen, and my brain still shuts off completely at such audio dreck.
How about some punk, ska or metal, man?
YouTube without an addblocker is at this Stage an active security threat.
Also: told you so.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Dominos, Pizza Hut and other Pizza places now charging for delivery.
Before Deliveroo and Just Eat got their toes in the water? The big Pizza Chains did free delivery over a certain order price. And it had been that way going back as long as I can remember.
Now? Now they charged. Because Just Eat and Deliveroo carried it, normalising paid for deliveries.
Boo I say! Boooooooooooooo!
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Bran Dawri wrote: Just Eat, Deliveroo, Uber Eats and their ilk are scummy parasites anyway.
In the UK, I’m slightly more accommodating. Whilst yes, they take their cut? For many small takeaways, running their own delivery services isn’t cost effective,
Doesn’t mean E/D/U aren’t taking the piss with their premiums and pricing though.
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I suspect its not just the other delivery firms making it normalised; but also the constant rising costs of things like fuel. When all those "free pizza deliveries" were a thing fuel was probably near to half what it is now and that's without inflation and other things rising all the other costs.
Sadly it all hinges on the big firms at the top end- so long as those mega-firms continue to raise prices and wages for the top staff; everything else has to rise to try and stay afloat.
It might also be that in the UK delivery drivers are treated differently than they are in the US. Here a delivery position is usually lower upfront pay but with tips and some companies giving compensation for fuel & the like.
Bran Dawri wrote: Just Eat, Deliveroo, Uber Eats and their ilk are scummy parasites anyway.
In the UK, I’m slightly more accommodating. Whilst yes, they take their cut? For many small takeaways, running their own delivery services isn’t cost effective,
Doesn’t mean E/D/U aren’t taking the piss with their premiums and pricing though.
It's not just "they take their cut". It's that they full on make-up websites and the like with menus, promoted as being the restaurant in question. It leads to the eatery having to deal with upset customers who ordered via the app that their food "didn't transport well" or "was cold", etc. John Oliver did a good piece on this not long ago.
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Kanluwen wrote: It might also be that in the UK delivery drivers are treated differently than they are in the US. Here a delivery position is usually lower upfront pay but with tips and some companies giving compensation for fuel & the like.
Yeah that's a big difference too. In the UK staff get a proper wage and tips really are tips. It's not like the USA where there's a social contract to tip 20% of the meal cost or such to pay the wages for the server/delivery staff. So that certainly has an impact. "Free delivery" isn't really free if you're expected to tip on top of the cost of the item.
UK side its all rolled into the price you pay up front.
Honestly I'm always amazed that that and the whole "tax isn't on the advertised price" are normal accepted htings over much of the USA
Not to mention them charging on both ends - both the restaurant and the customer pay for delivery, with the restaurant end being gouged to death.
I seriously prefer walking through a storm before giving racketeering like that so much as a penny - and have done so.
Kanluwen wrote: It might also be that in the UK delivery drivers are treated differently than they are in the US. Here a delivery position is usually lower upfront pay but with tips and some companies giving compensation for fuel & the like.
Bran Dawri wrote: Just Eat, Deliveroo, Uber Eats and their ilk are scummy parasites anyway.
In the UK, I’m slightly more accommodating. Whilst yes, they take their cut? For many small takeaways, running their own delivery services isn’t cost effective,
Doesn’t mean E/D/U aren’t taking the piss with their premiums and pricing though.
It's not just "they take their cut". It's that they full on make-up websites and the like with menus, promoted as being the restaurant in question. It leads to the eatery having to deal with upset customers who ordered via the app that their food "didn't transport well" or "was cold", etc. John Oliver did a good piece on this not long ago.
Wasn’t aware of the second bit, which certainly throws a different light on it.
If you’ve got a link I’ll give it a watch.
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I believe this is it (blame John Oliver if it's not available in your region )
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Bran Dawri wrote: Not to mention them charging on both ends - both the restaurant and the customer pay for delivery, with the restaurant end being gouged to death.
I seriously prefer walking through a storm before giving racketeering like that so much as a penny - and have done so.
The few times we use doordash or uber eats or whatever the heck, is also the few times we don't get a local mom and pop restaurant. The gakky delivery services can gouge panda express or Chipotle for all I care, but I won't do that to one of our many local eateries.
Did you know selling fake Driver Theory Test certificates isn’t against the terms of service?
Neither did I, but I do now.
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Ghaz wrote: I believe this is it (blame John Oliver if it's not available in your region )
Unfortunately I can’t find the vid viewable in the UK :(
But I’ll take your word for it That being said, they may operate slightly differently in the UK, because not every business model can be transposed as it stands, due to different laws and that.
What I’ve noticed is that when ordering from Deliveroo, there’s a price premium, a service charge, and a delivery cost, all paid for by me.
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Basically you can't add another middle-man in the ordering process without increasing costs somewhere to consumer or cutting income for the supplier.
And often middlemen will try and do both. Heck a bunch of the big supermarkets in the UK got caught doing that supplying dairy products. Telling customers prices were up and telling farmers demand was down. So they squeezed both ends and it only worked because once you're down to a handful of competing businesses they realise that they don't actually have to compete to profit and they can - shock horror - collude to increase profits for all.
Bran Dawri wrote: Not to mention them charging on both ends - both the restaurant and the customer pay for delivery, with the restaurant end being gouged to death.
I seriously prefer walking through a storm before giving racketeering like that so much as a penny - and have done so.
The few times we use doordash or uber eats or whatever the heck, is also the few times we don't get a local mom and pop restaurant. The gakky delivery services can gouge panda express or Chipotle for all I care, but I won't do that to one of our many local eateries.
I'll never understand this take.
You using the "gakky delivery service" on a franchise doesn't magically make it so that the person driving for said delivery service is suddenly getting treated well.
They're just getting screwed by the crummy delivery service instead of a big company.
True, but working from home and data protection has me super paranoid about things. Mostly because of my own ignorance, but even if got better educated there, I’d still err on the side of caution.
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You using the "gakky delivery service" on a franchise doesn't magically make it so that the person driving for said delivery service is suddenly getting treated well.
They're just getting screwed by the crummy delivery service instead of a big company.
I'll never understand why anyone would eat stuff like Chipotle or Panda Express or McD or things like that to begin with...
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That being said, they may operate slightly differently in the