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StudentOfEtherium wrote: they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter
while thats true in plastic, it can be cringe on tv. do i really want to hear a deep female voice through the helmet and imagine her in the armor?
What is wrong with hearing a deep female voice? What's wrong with muscular women?
This comment is a bit odd, IMHO
are you ok with female custode all of a sudden? what about males in sisters of silence or adepta soriata? how far would you go until 40k just isnt 40k anymore? maybe burn everything that happened before and start from scratch, like star wars?
There are men in the Sororitas, they’re called priests and crusaders. And stop over exaggerating, 40K is still the same 40K and that’s not changing now or anytime soon
They aren’t Sororitsas, don’t be disingenuous.
It’s rather like saying there are women in the Space Marines, they are called serfs and servitors.
The difference is, you can play a 1,000 point game of 40k and take almost entirely men in an army taken solely from the Sisters' Index.
For Marines, you can take up to 12 Legends models totaling 165 points that could've been women at one point. And those models represent lobotomized flesh machines, not fully motive people.
This is not about what you can arbitrarily field in a 40k game.
This is about said organisations as defined in the 40k universe. There are no male Sororitas.
Reading all of this, I'm surprised it has enflated that much.
In the end, the worst part of it is not that it's either dumb or great progress or fine. It's that somehow, it looks like we can't roll dice with plastic toy soldiers without having to cope with politics and fiery opinion debates crawling their way in.
Hopefully, one can just outright ignore (the lore change, I mean) it -as i do-, or skip the controversy and debate part by not partaking, but still, I wanted to express my feel about how overinflated this debate has become for... Well, plastic toy soldiers lore.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yet why it’s such an alleged controversy? I need the detractors to provide clarity on it. Because so far, I’m afraid it’s kind of feeling like they don’t actually know why they don’t like it.
They won't be able to answer without admitting they're afraid big, strong women.
"But... Sisterz!"
But they're still just average humans, aren't they? Guardswomen, Eldar of all stripes, T'au... none of them really fit the 'big and strong' archetype, do they? Getting shot by a girl is one, but getting punched into the dirt by one is whole other issue.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yet why it’s such an alleged controversy? I need the detractors to provide clarity on it. Because so far, I’m afraid it’s kind of feeling like they don’t actually know why they don’t like it.
They won't be able to answer without admitting they're afraid big, strong women.
"But... Sisterz!"
But they're still just average humans, aren't they? Guardswomen, Eldar of all stripes, T'au... none of them really fit the 'big and strong' archetype, do they? Getting shot by a girl is one, but getting punched into the dirt by one is whole other issue.
Again, I don’t want to put words in the mouth of others, or make such assumptions.
That nobody who claims to be upset by this retcon has answered is however perhaps telling.
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This is the background thread, it is for discussing the background change that now includes female custodes. It is not a thread to discuss bizarrely understood shareholder relationships. If you want to do that set up a thread in discussions.
kodos wrote: this goes now strange ways of gatekeeping as people demand pics of your own painted models to add an opinion to the discussion which upsets all those who are just reading and/or pc-gamers (next level of gatekeeping, which does not really help at all)
I should add for clarity that these calls for people to show their models nearly always comes after the person in question makes comments along the lines of "the woke left have infiltrated this hobby" or "they're destroying our hobby" or "hold the gate" or "this is why we need gatekeeping" - in nearly EVERY instance where people are challenged on their models, it's in response to people gatekeeping themselves.
It's not to say that if a person only engages with 40k via non-miniatures media that they're "not a true fan", but when those people call folks who've been collecting, painting, and playing with minis for longer than the other person has likely even known about 40k "tourists", then there's a certain sense of bad faith being thrown around.
Earlier, you mention that people were sold on the idea that 40k was 30+ of continuous lore. Those people were lied to. If this is their first retcon to 40k (unlikely, but possible), then, frankly, they'll have to get over it like all the other retcons we've had, or leave. Their choice.
The big issue that MDG is raising, that I'm all ears for answers on, is that people who've been in 40k for some time, or people who have put up with other retcons, or people who *have never been part of 40k until conspicuously now* are all up in arms about this particular retcon. Why? I want to hear it from them. And, I want to know if it's a unified issue, and if not, what the people of one group have to say to another about their differing objections.
Mad Doc Grotsnik’s Marvellous And Incomplete List Of Stuff What Got Retconned And Nobody Threw Teddy From The Pram About It
Spoiler:
1. Dreadnoughts used to be a suited of cybernetic armour you could get in and out of, but slowly drove you insane
2. Primarch was a Rank
3. Marines weren’t genhanced super soldiers
4. The Imperium had lost the secret of atmospheric aircraft, which is why Epic never had fliers outside of the Thunderhawk until suddenly it did
5. Imperial Battleships looked like this.
Until they suddenly didn’t
6. The Basilisk was the originator of that chassis, the Chimera an adaptation. Until it wasn’t.
7. Titan grade Plasma Weapons required a Plasma Reactor, until GW released the Stormblade
And so on, and so forth. Nobody much seemed to care. Yet they’ve all been retconned. Sometime more than once.
So one has to ask. Why has simply saying “yeah women can undergo the conversion process to become Custodes, and we’ve decided that’s now always been the case because you see, it’s our sandpit, and we get to decide these things unilaterally” attracted so much (carefully nurtured) heat, when at the end of the day it’s just another in long, long tradition of GW changing the fluff on a whim?
In her initial introduction in the 4th edition Tau codex, Shadowsun is not mentioned to be a student of Puretide, nor is there any mention of her personally knowing Farisght. In the 6th edition codex, suddenly Shadowsun and Farsight both trained under Puretide at the same time and were bitter rivals.
GW had to invent stasis technology for the Tau to then explain how their retcon could possibly work when Farsight had lived an unusually long time.
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StudentOfEtherium wrote: they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter
while thats true in plastic, it can be cringe on tv. do i really want to hear a deep female voice through the helmet and imagine her in the armor?
What is wrong with hearing a deep female voice? What's wrong with muscular women?
This comment is a bit odd, IMHO
are you ok with female custode all of a sudden? what about males in sisters of silence or adepta soriata? how far would you go until 40k just isnt 40k anymore? maybe burn everything that happened before and start from scratch, like star wars?
There are men in the Sororitas, they’re called priests and crusaders. And stop over exaggerating, 40K is still the same 40K and that’s not changing now or anytime soon
They aren’t Sororitsas, don’t be disingenuous.
It’s rather like saying there are women in the Space Marines, they are called serfs and servitors.
The difference is, you can play a 1,000 point game of 40k and take almost entirely men in an army taken solely from the Sisters' Index.
For Marines, you can take up to 12 Legends models totaling 165 points that could've been women at one point. And those models represent lobotomized flesh machines, not fully motive people.
This is not about what you can arbitrarily field in a 40k game.
This is about said organisations as defined in the 40k universe. There are no male Sororitas.
This is also about real-world impacts.
And when THE female army can take dozens of male models, a decent chunk of whom are fully motive people and not just Servitors or similar; while THE male army (which is also the biggest army in the game) can only take a dozen legends-only Servitors who may have been female but don’t look it…
You see the discrepancy?
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
I’m guessing you’re just adding to the general list of ‘stuff that got changed and nobody cared’ though
Yep, just adding to the list
In 6th edition we learned that ackshully all Black Crusades were at least partially successful. I guess if Fabulous Bill had also created female CSM that would have brought more debate than the far more impactful change of "Failbaddon" not actually failing .
I’m guessing you’re just adding to the general list of ‘stuff that got changed and nobody cared’ though
Yep, just adding to the list
In 6th edition we learned that ackshully all Black Crusades were at least partially successful. I guess if Fabulous Bill had also created female CSM that would have brought more debate than the far more impactful change of "Failbaddon" not actually failing .
Ah yes, retconning Abaddon to be a master of the Xanatos Gambit
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I’m guessing you’re just adding to the general list of ‘stuff that got changed and nobody cared’ though
Yep, just adding to the list
In 6th edition we learned that ackshully all Black Crusades were at least partially successful. I guess if Fabulous Bill had also created female CSM that would have brought more debate than the far more impactful change of "Failbaddon" not actually failing .
That one I actually liked. In one stroke, it added to Abaddon’s ability to see the wider picture, and The Imperium’s inability to do so.
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Eldar have foresight to see a given action *right now* bear fruit at some point.
Necrons? Are functionally immortal and, for Lords and above? Pretty much invincible. And so they can draw up plans that are intended to play out across millennia. A span of time so colossal even the Eldar would struggle to see what every apparent failure was building toward.
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Yet why it’s such an alleged controversy? I need the detractors to provide clarity on it. Because so far, I’m afraid it’s kind of feeling like they don’t actually know why they don’t like it.
Why is it a big issue? It's a big issue because it can be made into a culture war issue, which is great at driving clicks and engagement from an audience that may not normally engage in 40k. A retcon about obscure 40k item 2,456 isn't going to drive traffic, even if some of us superdorks are annoyed by it.
As a culture war issue, it can appear that the change is being made from cultural pressures from outside the hobby. This can be irritating for those who are enjoying the escapism of the fictional universe. "Keep real world politics out of my hobby" isn't an unreasonable position to have.
What really annoys me (and I like the change), is that the broader culture war is so quick to label those who don't like the change as a bigot.
There's a tone of "This is the change, and if you don't accept the change you are a 'deplorable'." Which grates immensely.
Insectum7 wrote: Why is it a big issue? It's a big issue because it can be made into a culture war issue, ...
So, maybe, I dunno... Don't do that...?
Women existing in the Custodes doesn't actually have to change anything about your personal army. If you want your own Custodes army to be all manly men doing manly man things and calling each other Brother, then just carry on doing that.
All the outrage accomplishes nothing other than to get in the way of actually enjoying the hobby.
Insectum7 wrote: This can be irritating for those who are enjoying the escapism of the fictional universe. "Keep real world politics out of my hobby" isn't an unreasonable position to have.
The problem arises when any inclusion of a non-white male is said to be 'political'.
What really annoys me (and I like the change), is that the broader culture war is so quick to label those who don't like the change as a bigot.
There's a tone of "This is the change, and if you don't accept the change you are a 'deplorable'." Which grates immensely.
The issue is, as the Mad Doc has been pointing out, that people are upset about this when they're not as upset about other 'retcons'. Especially when it doesn't affect them one bit. Nothing says that they have to have female models in their custodes army. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's likely a duck.
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Insectum7 wrote: Why is it a big issue? It's a big issue because it can be made into a culture war issue, ...
So, maybe, I dunno... Don't do that...?
Women existing in the Custodes doesn't actually have to change anything about your personal army. If you want your own Custodes army to be all manly men doing manly man things and calling each other Brother, then just carry on doing that.
All the outrage accomplishes nothing other than to get in the way of actually enjoying the hobby.
Insectum7 wrote: This can be irritating for those who are enjoying the escapism of the fictional universe. "Keep real world politics out of my hobby" isn't an unreasonable position to have.
The problem arises when any inclusion of a non-white male is said to be 'political'.
DEI is right smack dab in the ven diagram of the culture wars.
What really annoys me (and I like the change), is that the broader culture war is so quick to label those who don't like the change as a bigot.
There's a tone of "This is the change, and if you don't accept the change you are a 'deplorable'." Which grates immensely.
The issue is, as the Mad Doc has been pointing out, that people are upset about this when they're not as upset about other 'retcons'. Especially when it doesn't affect them one bit. Nothing says that they have to have female models in their custodes army. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's likely a duck.
I don't think you understood the post. People get upset about other things too. This one is just amplified because of broader disagreements.
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Was anyone upset by Blade Champions being retconned in? They weren't established, were never part of the lore, and then they had a model and suddenly the Custodes had always had Blade Champions.
I do remember some griping about "Another choppy melee character" but that's a purely mechanical issue, not an issue with retconning.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
I don't understand how this is such a mystery to some.
The outrage is not because of this specific change in this specific context, but because of the wider effort to incentivise diversity in various elements of pop culture. Many of those communities have been traditionally male dominated, so this is obviously going to create friction with the more conservative leaning elements within those communities. Any new instance of this outrage boils down to "they are taking this thing I've been invested in and try to change it to fit their personal agenda that doesn't fit mine".
It's inherently a temperamentel and, as such, a political conflict across various media and societal topics that has been discussed to death with little to no room for nuance on either end of the spectrum.
Insectum7 wrote: This can be irritating for those who are enjoying the escapism of the fictional universe. "Keep real world politics out of my hobby" isn't an unreasonable position to have.
The problem arises when any inclusion of a non-white male is said to be 'political'.
DEI is right smack dab in the ven diagram of the culture wars.
So just proving my point - ANY inclusion of a non-white male is said to be 'DEI' and thus 'political'. After all, there are only two genders - male and political. </s>
What really annoys me (and I like the change), is that the broader culture war is so quick to label those who don't like the change as a bigot.
There's a tone of "This is the change, and if you don't accept the change you are a 'deplorable'." Which grates immensely.
The issue is, as the Mad Doc has been pointing out, that people are upset about this when they're not as upset about other 'retcons'. Especially when it doesn't affect them one bit. Nothing says that they have to have female models in their custodes army. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's likely a duck.
I don't think you understood the post. People get upset about other things too. This one is just amplified because of broader disagreements.
But there isn't the level of outrage over other 'retcons'. Especially considering some of the people that are complaining about it's other posting history. Add in that it doesn't actually take away anything from the people that are complaining about it...I go back to the duck example.
And this is especially when the previous lore doesn't say that there weren't female Custodes before and all the quotes provided to prove that this is a retcon are ambiguous and don't actually prove it. Can just go with the old Marvel No-prize and find a way to make it all work together instead of getting up in arms.
When it comes down to it, I think the one reason people- even those who are not overtly "narrow minded" shall we say- have knee- jerk reaction to this is this: The 40k community is it's own circle so to speak and we all feel flabbergasted when GW doesn't listen to us. There are the issues with scalping, prices, and so on- but the corporate entity is deaf to those. Still- everyone finds some solace in the game, be it lore, painting, 3d printing, designing and kitbashing, w/e and when anything changes, you'll have people up in arms. Same thing but to a different degree was with Primaris marines- but that was an obvious cash grab/ redesign of a major faction. This is just lore- so it's more akin to the outrage Star Wars fans felt about the Phantom Menace and Jar jar binks. Add in the sexism and the fact certain 40k gamers who are "Aware" this month have a very concrete mindset. To them, Y is Y and can't be X (in this case, literal chromosomes) and it'll take time to adapt that XY and or YX is the new Y.
I guess a better analogy that I have for myself is this (story mode time): I grew up loving the Flash comic- Specifically, Wally West, former kid Flash. He was funny and had snarky comebacks and generally put a positive spin on everything bad that happened to him. fast forward to the S-show that was new 52, and Wally is out- Wallace is in.. and he's black/ african American. Again, knee-jerk reaction for me was "They changed something I was invested in for inclusion! This sucks!" Plus, fact that if I voice my opinion I come off as racist (despite my best friend in High School being Jamaican). After a bit, I decided to give Wallace a chance- but then due to the writing and influenced by my dislike of new character, I couldn't get behind him. He came off as "You're not my real Dad Barry! You lied to me once and I'll hold a grudge forever!!". Needless to say when Wally came back in Rebirth, I was overjoyed I could read my hero again, and Wallace moved over to Teen Titans so things sorted out for me.
(End story mode)
Another thing is that it's only more recently GW is actually making a continuing story. 40k was for a long time a setting- you could replay battles from "history" and if it didn't match up? Oh well, Imperial records put a spin on it! This gave players a more creative narrative aspect of naming thier champions, kitbashing them, etc. Now GW is saying "This is the story of 40k" and people mourn that loss.
The sexism thing is just more pronounced as the world's gotten more divisive thanks to all the social media outlets. To use a Dr. Suess reference, in the old days I may have a star on my belly and I'd go and find forums and a group of people who also had stars on thars. Now, I can connect to a group of hundreds of people and they all stir the pot until they believe they are right and the non-starred people can go to heck! (Twitter/ facebook are the entrepreneur with the star-belly switching machine taking people's money in this analogy.)
kodos wrote: this goes now strange ways of gatekeeping as people demand pics of your own painted models to add an opinion to the discussion which upsets all those who are just reading and/or pc-gamers (next level of gatekeeping, which does not really help at all)
I should add for clarity that these calls for people to show their models nearly always comes after the person in question makes comments along the lines of "the woke left have infiltrated this hobby" or "they're destroying our hobby" or "hold the gate" or "this is why we need gatekeeping" - in nearly EVERY instance where people are challenged on their models, it's in response to people gatekeeping themselves.
It's not to say that if a person only engages with 40k via non-miniatures media that they're "not a true fan", but when those people call folks who've been collecting, painting, and playing with minis for longer than the other person has likely even known about 40k "tourists", then there's a certain sense of bad faith being thrown around.
Earlier, you mention that people were sold on the idea that 40k was 30+ of continuous lore. Those people were lied to. If this is their first retcon to 40k (unlikely, but possible), then, frankly, they'll have to get over it like all the other retcons we've had, or leave. Their choice.
The big issue that MDG is raising, that I'm all ears for answers on, is that people who've been in 40k for some time, or people who have put up with other retcons, or people who *have never been part of 40k until conspicuously now* are all up in arms about this particular retcon. Why? I want to hear it from them. And, I want to know if it's a unified issue, and if not, what the people of one group have to say to another about their differing objections.
I don't follow the 40k exclusive channels, therefore only what those who are there are on about on other platforms
I know about the "tourist" thing because LGBTQ people raged about it on other channels because they have been called that for not collecting the minis but saying to reading the books since HH started and I started to notice is on other channels without context (like a climate change YT channel having a community post with pics of models and the text that only people with a pic of their collections are allowed to give opinions on 40k)
A true fan reads all the novels < a true fan collects the models < a true fan plays the game
And yet you can collect and play without reading the lore and given how many now came across of having missed the genocidal and mysogenic part of the lore, I guess most of the collectors never did but just liked the models (given I have seen people on Reddit saying they like the change and if GW finally removes all thd genocidal stuff they would start playing the game)
For that people now need to get over it, well GW marketing turned people into zealots and the cult off officialdom is strong, now realising that GW does not care is different to those playing the game during the Necron retcon.
We were no white knights, nor was there such an extensive "lore only" possibility before (you needed to buy the Codex for the lore)
And I don't know why this was too much
A stupid GW tweet stating what GW is always doing but people denied it, combined with the already hidden rage for 10th, or everyone just hating woman (as if a sentence in a book would magically add more women playing 40k)
But in times of crisis and change people search for stability and if someone finds this in a hobby because they were told this is a stable for decades now and become fanatics, a small official change is enough to break it (and fanatics react like fanatics, in both ways pro and contra)
PS: and as seen by posts here and in the other topic it looks like not everyone sees a new Codex as replacing the old one or retcon the previous book but only if official GW confirms it being a retcon it is one
Like the Necron change was not a retcon because it was never officially confirmed to be one but just unreliable imperial narrator in the previous books
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BertBert wrote: I don't understand how this is such a mystery to some.
The outrage is not because of this specific change in this specific context, but because of the wider effort to incentivise diversity in various elements of pop culture. Many of those communities have been traditionally male dominated, so this is obviously going to create friction with the more conservative leaning elements within those communities. Any new instance of this outrage boils down to "they are taking this thing I've been invested in and try to change it to fit their personal agenda that doesn't fit mine".
It's inherently a temperamentel and, as such, a political conflict across various media and societal topics that has been discussed to death with little to no room for nuance on either end of the spectrum.
This is why other media, news and the wider social media community have picked it up
Because now people are discussing the topic who have no clue at all what 40k is
But the initial unrest was not done by bigots but fans following the official channels
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The Imperium….isnt misogynistic. Nor is it inwardly racist. Yes most if not all planets have a pretty feudal class system. But that’s not presented as being say, based on how light or dark you are, or what you’re packing in your pantaloons, or who you prefer to cop off with.
The Imperial Guard, arguably the largest professional military in the Galaxy happily recruits men and women.
Space Marines recruit men solely because the conversion process demands it.
Sororitas recruit women exclusively because some doofus can’t write effective legislation, and so only banned the Ecclesiarchy of having men under arms.
Wider Imperial society? Ladies, Gentlemen, and Everyone In Between? All meat for the grinder, be that the life long menial labour of most Hive Citizens, or being sent off to the Guard.
Will some planets have peculiar social problems? Sure. And provided the tithe is met, the Administratum is surprisingly hands off for such a horrific beast, and so nothing is enforced there. But the Administratum and Ecclesiarchy don’t promote of preach sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc.
Mutants and witches and Xenos and Heretics? Yes. 100%. But those are actual threats. You’re not a witch because you’ve got Geet BIg Wobbly Norks. You’re not a Heretic because you’re from a different Hive and so on.
Horrific as The Imperium is? It’s not inwardly bigoted. Mostly because mankind by that stage has found plenty of Actual Honest To Goodness Others to blame and persecute. And sometimes (Orks) they even kind of have a point!
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Will some planets have peculiar social problems? Sure. And provided the tithe is met, the Administratum is surprisingly hands off for such a horrific beast, and so nothing is enforced there. But the Administratum and Ecclesiarchy don’t promote of preach sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc.
Mutants and witches and Xenos and Heretics? Yes. 100%. But those are actual threats. You’re not a witch because you’ve got Geet BIg Wobbly Norks. You’re not a Heretic because you’re from a different Hive and so on.
Horrific as The Imperium is? It’s not inwardly bigoted. Mostly because mankind by that stage has found plenty of Actual Honest To Goodness Others to blame and persecute. And sometimes (Orks) they even kind of have a point!
And it makes perfect sense to write it so. It is far easier for people to accept "fantasy bigotry" just as fiction, than bigotry that is same than the real world bigotry, that they or their friends may have experienced. So this is why the Thermian arguments for "but Imperium is bad" completely misses the point.
kodos wrote: This is why other media, news and the wider social media community have picked it up
Because now people are discussing the topic who have no clue at all what 40k is
But the initial unrest was not done by bigots but fans following the official channels
What a load of absolute tripe. Official Channels? Are you actually joking? There are no "official channels", any channel that produces "news" content is in it for the money and to get the money they need clicks. Rage generates clicks.
You type in Warhammer on YT and go to the most viewed videos for the last week and it takes seven videos to reach something that isn't a continuation of this nonsense.
It took a week for this to go from a stupid rant by people who think they are "owed" explanations to those same people spouting actual conspiracy theories and claiming infiltration.
It would be sad if it wasn't so bloody pathetic.
skyth wrote: But there isn't the level of outrage over other 'retcons'
'Level of outrage' is a difficult thing to measure these days.
I would imagine somewhere upwards of 99.9% of players and fans made no comment as to the original statement. But its good grist for the hate mill and some people do love being told who to hate.
Not to diminish that yes, having something you are invested in changed at the whim of others can be unpleasant no matter the nature or intention of the change. But this isn't another case of replacing of 'aggressively reimagining' existing material, just expanding on it.
I think GW could have gone with a better response than 'we have always been at war with eastasia' though.
I’m still awaiting explanations as to why, of all retcons great and small over the past 37 years of the game and background’s existence, this (which is relatively minor) is the step to far.
It hasn’t fundamentally changed what the Custodes are, or what they do.
Why has this caused the sky to fall for some?
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Gert wrote: What a load of absolute tripe. Official Channels? Are you actually joking? There are no "official channels"
just because Games Workshop calls their marketing channels "Warhammer-Community" does not mean those are community channels, these are the official GW channels and whatever those write/post/say is official content
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