Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

For £160, compared to leviathan this is a bit gak imo.

The diversity and sizes of the minis in leviathan are better, whilst this does come with a single board and terrain, there's barely any of it. Sigmarines are very character heavy and skaven, whilst good, seem a bit... much at 40 clan rats? 20 clan rats and some other infantry would have made it look better imo.

Yeah, but leviathan we was made up of the umpteenth space marine resculpts. That immediately kills it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
What a glorious day, to be commenting on the new Skaven which are looking excellent overall, on the 13th page of this thread, yes-yes!

Having multiple distinct command options really helps with the variation in the clanrats, and while more dynamic figures have a habit of highlighting repetition, these are generally well designed to avoid that problem, good stuff.

Now, I've been rather out of the loop on the ways of big launch box sets for a while. Would all these sculpts become available separately later, or are some minis generally exclusive to the box?

Stuff will become separate later. If not when the battle tome releases, then later in the second wave.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Yeah, but leviathan we was made up of the umpteenth space marine resculpts. That immediately kills it.

It was better value, diversity and you can put the marines aside - compare the nids offering to the skaven and tell me it's anywhere near as good.

Personally I don't care about nids, so yeah it was never a good box

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Also…dare I say the range removal now has a bit more context to things? Much needed context I stress.

Not really? Any Skaven models and 1st edition Stormcast that got removed already where expected for new models. The big outcry was for the other factions and the 2nd edition Stormcast

Is there anything in the lord-Veritants's fluff from the previous editions that makes him cover/remove his eyes?

Not specifically. Probably a ruination thing about losing their eyes after too many respawns

Knight-Questor gives me Conan (after he became king of Aquilonia) vibes.

Dudeface wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Yeah, but leviathan we was made up of the umpteenth space marine resculpts. That immediately kills it.

It was better value, diversity and you can put the marines aside - compare the nids offering to the skaven and tell me it's anywhere near as good.

It's a matter of taste. I generally dislike the direction they've taken the Tyranid range. I find there to be more personality in a unit of clan rats than there is in the entire Tyranid half of the box except for the screamer killer which I do like. The scenery is a bit lacking but the fact that I can buy the box and and use it to play with my kids without needing any extra material is a big plus. I think the board, the scenery and the spearhead book are more than worth the extra tenner.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Spoiler:

Yeah, but leviathan we was made up of the umpteenth space marine resculpts. That immediately kills it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
What a glorious day, to be commenting on the new Skaven which are looking excellent overall, on the 13th page of this thread, yes-yes!

Having multiple distinct command options really helps with the variation in the clanrats, and while more dynamic figures have a habit of highlighting repetition, these are generally well designed to avoid that problem, good stuff.

Now, I've been rather out of the loop on the ways of big launch box sets for a while. Would all these sculpts become available separately later, or are some minis generally exclusive to the box?

Stuff will become separate later. If not when the battle tome releases, then later in the second wave.

Cheers, good to know.
Can take or leave the artillery; like - but don't need - the leader on monster; and would be happy with just half the Clanrats to spice up my existing verminhorde, but the Rat Ogres and Jezzails would be very welcome additions to the collection. And that Grey Seer is actually really rather excellent too, such classic vibes but in an updated style.

So, that's the Clanrats, a Warlock Engineer, Rat Ogres, and Jezzails shown off now.
From the models announced to be leaving the range, those not yet accounted for are then: Arch Warlock (Ikit Claw), Plague Priest (Skrolk), Master Moulder (Skweel Gnawtooth), Skryre Acolytes (Globadiers), Stormvermin, Plague Censer Bearers, Gutter Runners, Rat Swarms, Giant Rats, Warpfire Thrower, Ratling Gun, Warp Grinder, Doom Flayer.

The Stormcast are absolutely stellar! Very grimdark. This is how they should have looked from the get go.

All great stuff but I wish the Skaven had... not 40 clanrats. The unit variety is pretty bad compared to Leviathan's Tyranids.

Quite impressed and if coming to AOS as a complete beginner, I'd be over the moon with this set and would happily split it with a Skaven player. While not a fan of how they're approaching small games, rules wise, they've at least given Spearhead the red carpet treatment with this set. Maybe the following editions of 40K and AOS might be more adventurous with optional units.

As an existing player faced with replacing models, I'm only interested in the Knight-Questor for use in adventure games like Warhammer Quest, or Rangers of Shadowdeep. Throw him on the cover of the "Getting Started" magazine and I'll be a happy bunny. I think if they also included the Greyseer, they could make a fun introduction game - for absolute newcomers to the tabletop hobby - by having the Knight-Questor trying to defeat a foe who might teleport before taking damage, while they might re-appear from an unexpected quarter for a counter attack...or maybe the other side of the kitchen table!

The board and terrain are minimal...but I like them. Not a patch on 3rd edition's dawnbringer effort - that was rather epic! - but I wouldn't say no to them neither. Looking forward to seeing the new starter sets...

Grey Seer is great but could skip the tactical rock or at least have it smaller.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Grey Seer is great but could skip the tactical rock or at least have it smaller.

*Tactical Bell

I thought it was meant to represent a ruined Screaming Bell, but I guess it's more likely just a less powerful skaven bell that happened to be destroyed

Lord-Terminos could proxy for some BA successor's not Astorath the Grim.

Hmm, not that they're bad models but the Sigmarines don't speak to me like the 3rd ed models did. I guess that saves me 210€.

At least until the starter boxes appear. Might be game for one of those, depending on what's in them.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Spoiler:

Yeah, but leviathan we was made up of the umpteenth space marine resculpts. That immediately kills it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
What a glorious day, to be commenting on the new Skaven which are looking excellent overall, on the 13th page of this thread, yes-yes!

Having multiple distinct command options really helps with the variation in the clanrats, and while more dynamic figures have a habit of highlighting repetition, these are generally well designed to avoid that problem, good stuff.

Now, I've been rather out of the loop on the ways of big launch box sets for a while. Would all these sculpts become available separately later, or are some minis generally exclusive to the box?

Stuff will become separate later. If not when the battle tome releases, then later in the second wave.

Cheers, good to know.
Can take or leave the artillery; like - but don't need - the leader on monster; and would be happy with just half the Clanrats to spice up my existing verminhorde, but the Rat Ogres and Jezzails would be very welcome additions to the collection. And that Grey Seer is actually really rather excellent too, such classic vibes but in an updated style.

The way it's gone with previous launch boxes is that the launch box models are split up into a selection of models that go in the regular size starter set, a fraction of which is repeated in the small size starter set (a character and core unit per side, mostly) and a hero or two along with a monster, retinue or elite unit sprue sold individually later on for a humorously expensive price. Think half the price of the launch box or more.

If you want enough of the launch box and happen to like the wrong models, it's worth considering just buying it over the individual models later because buying individually may not even save you money. Ideally we'll see what the starters include before the launch box is on pre-order or sells out to allow people to make an informed decision.

I really hope the mounted general is a sign that Skaven are getting cavalry.

Considering we've seen some come back GW could bring back the old FW Wolfrats who would fit that cavalry role

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I really hope the mounted general is a sign that Skaven are getting cavalry.

I’m not holding my breath since the Kruleboyz had a mounted lord without gnashtooth Calvary

I wouldn't put it past GW to just make the mounted Clawlord ride solo, they did it with the Kruleboy Great Gnashtoof.

If they do make a cavalry unit or equivalent, I hope it's more explicitly Moulder themed like wolfrats and not just Stormvermin on giant pox rats

 GaroRobe wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I really hope the mounted general is a sign that Skaven are getting cavalry.

I’m not holding my breath since the Kruleboyz had a mounted lord without gnashtooth Calvary

Yea... it could have been planned for the second wave but with Kruleboyz being such a universally despised faction we might never see it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I really hope the mounted general is a sign that Skaven are getting cavalry.

I’m not holding my breath since the Kruleboyz had a mounted lord without gnashtooth Calvary

Yea... it could have been planned for the second wave but with Kruleboyz being such a universally despised faction we might never see it.

I don't know. I liked the kruleboyz.......as conversion fodder. I turned them into mortals dedicated to Nurgle.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Given that most people don't really care about the Stormcast, if you already have Skaven, I wonder how much value is going to be found here. There's 50 Skaven and 40 Clanrats, I guess it's possible to always need more Clanrats, but it would have felt more interesting to have some smaller units with more variety like the High Elves in Isle of Blood. But FOMO.

You realise stormcast are probably the most popular army in the game?

Well they're included in every set, so that would make sense, but it also speaks to how poorly the game is doing? You do realize that making them the fantasy space marines has been a complete failure?

40 clanrats out of 50 models really isn't hot, and only the mounted lord and the warmachine are new new things, where 5 out of 8 Tyranid units in Leviathan were new, and none were a barely distinguishable resculpt of a 25mm based character.

 frankelee wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Given that most people don't really care about the Stormcast, if you already have Skaven, I wonder how much value is going to be found here. There's 50 Skaven and 40 Clanrats, I guess it's possible to always need more Clanrats, but it would have felt more interesting to have some smaller units with more variety like the High Elves in Isle of Blood. But FOMO.

You realise stormcast are probably the most popular army in the game?

Well they're included in every set, so that would make sense, but it also speaks to how poorly the game is doing? You do realize that making them the fantasy space marines has been a complete failure?

you really love talking about how unpopular stormcast are, huh?

Haters gonna hate and make gak up to justify it.

 frankelee wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Given that most people don't really care about the Stormcast, if you already have Skaven, I wonder how much value is going to be found here. There's 50 Skaven and 40 Clanrats, I guess it's possible to always need more Clanrats, but it would have felt more interesting to have some smaller units with more variety like the High Elves in Isle of Blood. But FOMO.

You realise stormcast are probably the most popular army in the game?

Well they're included in every set, so that would make sense, but it also speaks to how poorly the game is doing? You do realize that making them the fantasy space marines has been a complete failure?

That's an interesting leap in logic. Would you care to explain further?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/17/the-three-biggest-changes-in-warhammer-age-of-sigmar/

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 frankelee wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
Given that most people don't really care about the Stormcast, if you already have Skaven, I wonder how much value is going to be found here. There's 50 Skaven and 40 Clanrats, I guess it's possible to always need more Clanrats, but it would have felt more interesting to have some smaller units with more variety like the High Elves in Isle of Blood. But FOMO.

You realise stormcast are probably the most popular army in the game?

Well they're included in every set, so that would make sense, but it also speaks to how poorly the game is doing? You do realize that making them the fantasy space marines has been a complete failure?

That's an interesting leap in logic. Would you care to explain further?

I mean, clearly, 40K is dying horribly because Space Marines are the most popular army and are in every box. Soon everything shall collapse like a house of cards and GW will go back to making Warcry and Necromunda as their only games.