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Anyone here watch the Amazon show Fallout? They literally stole the phase "The Flesh is Weak But "Deeds" Endure" right from the lore and pages of Warhammer 40k and used it on there show rephrasing it to "The flesh is weak but "steel" endures". What do you all think of that bull? I love the world of Fallout don't get me wrong, but if new shows keep stealing pieces of the Warhammer 40k Universe, there's going to be noting left when they finally get around to filming some Warhammer 40k movies and shows. Yaaa know? What do you all think?

I can't see the point in complaining about Fallout stealing from Warhammer what Warhammer stole from the Bible.

 alextroy wrote:
I can't see the point in complaining about Fallout stealing from Warhammer what Warhammer stole from the Bible.

The Bible and Warhammer exist in the same world, bud.

But who did it first? 'Stealing' content from a common source happens all the time.
Fallout's use is nothing like how 40k uses it.

Fallout has the Bible, but I doubt anyone there came across 40k to use it as an infuence when founding the Brotherhood. Being set in the 50s when the bombs were dropped, the Bible was in-universe, but was too soon for 40k in '87.

 Skinnereal wrote:
But who did it first? 'Stealing' content from a common source happens all the time.
Fallout's use is nothing like how 40k uses it.

Fallout has the Bible, but I doubt anyone there came across 40k to use it as an infuence when founding the Brotherhood. Being set in the 50s when the bombs were dropped, the Bible was in-universe, but was too soon for 40k in '87.

I agree with you, I’d just like to point out that the bombs dropped in 2077, a future made in 1997 by some guys trying to imagine what people in 1950s America would imagine 2077 to be like, the world didn’t end in 1950.

 ratlaw wrote:
Anyone here watch the Amazon show Fallout? They literally stole the phase "The Flesh is Weak But "Deeds" Endure" right from the lore and pages of Warhammer 40k and used it on there show rephrasing it to "The flesh is weak but "steel" endures". What do you all think of that bull? I love the world of Fallout don't get me wrong, but if new shows keep stealing pieces of the Warhammer 40k Universe, there's going to be noting left when they finally get around to filming some Warhammer 40k movies and shows. Yaaa know? What do you all think?

I think nothing of it.
Why should I? Lines have been borrowed/shared/stolen/modded between/etc in literature & entertainment for thousands of years. So why should I care that a TV series uses a line similar to one used in a minis game (who's not at all above cribbing lines itself)?

 bullisariuscowl wrote:
I agree with you, I’d just like to point out that the bombs dropped in 2077, a future made in 1997 by some guys trying to imagine what people in 1950s America would imagine 2077 to be like, the world didn’t end in 1950.

That explain the bots and powersuits. I didn't pay too much attention to the lore. But if the timeline diverged in the '1940s, still no 40k for them.

Jesus said, in the Bible "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." NOT The Flesh Is Weak But DEEDS Endure, and Warhammer says The Flesh Is Weak but Deeds Endure. Fallout says The Flesh Is Weak But Steel Endures. Understand?

 Skinnereal wrote:

 bullisariuscowl wrote:
I agree with you, I’d just like to point out that the bombs dropped in 2077, a future made in 1997 by some guys trying to imagine what people in 1950s America would imagine 2077 to be like, the world didn’t end in 1950.

That explain the bots and powersuits. I didn't pay too much attention to the lore. But if the timeline diverged in the '1940s, still no 40k for them.

There are some 40k references in fallout 1, like the ripper weapon being similar to a chainsword, or the hooded cultists serving the Master‘s Unity being called ‘psykers’, but this doesn’t mean the tabletop game exists in the universe. The apocalypse happened in 2077, and they do have advanced thechnology. Look at the Mr. Handy robots and Red Rocket Corvega cars for example, these all existed before the nuclear war. There also is no specific diverging point in the fallout timeline. Bethesda has cocked up a bit with portraying pre-war 2077 as having a case of cultural stagnation, having the exact same attitudes and designs as the fifties in real life, but when Interplay made the first two games, they meant for it to be a case of ‘retro futurism’. This is when we imagine how people from a time before us would imagine the future to be like. Take those 70’s pulp magazine predictions of having flying cars and laser guns in the future. If we made a game based on that future, that would be retro futuristic in nature. That wouldn’t mean it was set IN the 70’s, it would be set in how they would imagine the FUTURE, fallout is even more complex, because it is a game made by a group of men in 1997, those devs imagining how people in 1950s America would imagine 2077, then having that 1950s INSPIRED future be blown to hell by a global nuclear conflict, and having the PC exploring the wasteland society that emerged from the dust. I hope this was able to help.

 bullisariuscowl wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

 bullisariuscowl wrote:
I agree with you, I’d just like to point out that the bombs dropped in 2077, a future made in 1997 by some guys trying to imagine what people in 1950s America would imagine 2077 to be like, the world didn’t end in 1950.

That explain the bots and powersuits. I didn't pay too much attention to the lore. But if the timeline diverged in the '1940s, still no 40k for them.

There are some 40k references in fallout 1, like the ripper weapon being similar to a chainsword, or the hooded cultists serving the Master‘s Unity being called ‘psykers’, but this doesn’t mean the tabletop game exists in the universe. The apocalypse happened in 2077, and they do have advanced thechnology. Look at the Mr. Handy robots and Red Rocket Corvega cars for example, these all existed before the nuclear war. There also is no specific diverging point in the fallout timeline. Bethesda has cocked up a bit with portraying pre-war 2077 as having a case of cultural stagnation, having the exact same attitudes and designs as the fifties in real life, but when Interplay made the first two games, they meant for it to be a case of ‘retro futurism’. This is when we imagine how people from a time before us would imagine the future to be like. Take those 70’s pulp magazine predictions of having flying cars and laser guns in the future. If we made a game based on that future, that would be retro futuristic in nature. That wouldn’t mean it was set IN the 70’s, it would be set in how they would imagine the FUTURE, fallout is even more complex, because it is a game made by a group of men in 1997, those devs imagining how people in 1950s America would imagine 2077, then having that 1950s INSPIRED future be blown to hell by a global nuclear conflict, and having the PC exploring the wasteland society that emerged from the dust. I hope this was able to help.

Isn't the US in the Fallout universe an expansionist, openly-fascist state, which is what leads to the war? That could explain the cultural stagnation as such regimes often refer back to a fictionalised "golden era".

 ratlaw wrote:
Jesus said, in the Bible "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." NOT The Flesh Is Weak But DEEDS Endure, and Warhammer says The Flesh Is Weak but Deeds Endure. Fallout says The Flesh Is Weak But Steel Endures. Understand?

I'm not sure you're going to convince anyone that this is the big deal you seem to think it is. Jeez, look how much 40K has 'borrowed' from other sources - Dune, 2000AD, Alien, Terminator, Starship Troopers, Michael Moorcock, Tolkein, etc etc...

Are you sure Warhammer wasn't inspired by Conan and the Riddle of Steel?


In general if you take most created things you can spot where the creator might have been or was actually inspired by something else; because we are all creatively inspired by what we see and experience.

You can also get cases where two (or more) creators come up with the same, or similar idea; but none of them copied from each other (and might not even have been aware of each other). Instead they were inspired by a similar shared experience or source material.

So even when you think you've spotted where X lifted from Y it might not be the case at all.

 Overread wrote:
Are you sure Warhammer wasn't inspired by Conan and the Riddle of Steel?


In general if you take most created things you can spot where the creator might have been or was actually inspired by something else; because we are all creatively inspired by what we see and experience.

You can also get cases where two (or more) creators come up with the same, or similar idea; but none of them copied from each other (and might not even have been aware of each other). Instead they were inspired by a similar shared experience or source material.

So even when you think you've spotted where X lifted from Y it might not be the case at all.

I refer to TomSka's amusing and instructive video on the Somerton scale of plagiarism to illuminate this further. Using this phrase is probably not very far up the scale.

: Isn't the US in the Fallout universe an expansionist, openly-fascist state, which is what leads to the war? That could explain the cultural stagnation as such regimes often refer back to a fictionalised "golden era".

Interesting analogy, however the bombs dropped in 2077, and Bethesda treats the world as being almost exactly like the 1950’s, just with advanced cars and robots, which I find to be mildly entertaining, but not entirely what the original creators likely intended. I find it a bit hard to believe that late 2070’s America, 120. years later would adopt the exact same attitudes as the 1950s, but I’m not very well versed on Fascism beyond notable examples and it as a concept (too many people calling things they don’t like fascist has admittedly turned me away from researching it more, but your point is interesting, I’ll see if I can find some examples of the ‚golden age‘ ideal.

Did we really need two Fallout threads?

 ratlaw wrote:
Jesus said, in the Bible "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." NOT The Flesh Is Weak But DEEDS Endure, and Warhammer says The Flesh Is Weak but Deeds Endure. Fallout says The Flesh Is Weak But Steel Endures. Understand?

Do you think the creators of 40K came up with "The Flesh is Weak, but Deeds Endure" out of the ether?

It is highly likely they turned the biblical quote on it's head in their satirical construction of the Warhammer 40K universe:

The Spirit is willing but the Flesh is Weak, but Deeds Endure.

As for Fallout, I'm sure it is a toss up between whether they pulled the same biblical inspiration or were inspired by 40K. Either way, no point in getting worked up about it.

I’ll echo the others saying “It may or may not have been inspired by 40k,” and echo even harder those saying “It really doesn’t matter much, even if it was directly inspired by 40k.”

It's amazing to think anyone would be upset that anything stole from any IP produced by Games Workshop when Games Workshop is the grand master of stealing from everything else.

Do you like your Imperium with a God Emperor and Navigators needing to take ships through warp space for FTL? Dune has something to say about that.

WH Fantasy Battles is literally built on the backbone of other peoples models/games.

 ratlaw wrote:
"The Flesh is Weak But "Deeds" Endure"

Out of curiosity, where is this from? It's first time I saw it.

 Lance845 wrote:

WH Fantasy Battles is literally built on the backbone of other peoples models/games.

Heck the vast bulk of western fantasy is based off Norse legends as a result of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.
Even when its branched out its lifted a LOT from Mythology and ancient religions as sources of inspiration.

DnD, Warhammer, World of Warcraft - I'd argue three of the biggest modern influences are all derived from that same source and have a lot of crisscross inspiration on each other (heck Warcraft was originally a Warhammer game)

Guys guys; it's 'The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised'. Everybody knows that.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Guys guys; it's 'The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised'. Everybody knows that.

Always a classic Futurama line xD.

 Haighus wrote:

Isn't the US in the Fallout universe an expansionist, openly-fascist state, which is what leads to the war? That could explain the cultural stagnation as such regimes often refer back to a fictionalised "golden era".

Not really. Definitely not openly.

Whatever evil/shady stuff the US got up to leading up to the war is more based on McCarthyism, Red Scare, and unethical experimentation that happened during the 50s and 60s. Its not facism. The US is a weak government that has sold out a lot of its power to corporations to prop up its massive debt and development.

And it is still unclear who if anybody directly caused the war. The show confirms that Vault-tec was at least willing to push the world over the edge, though not if they actually succeeded. This was already one of a few theories that have a bit of evidence in-universe..

Either China or the US could have intentionally or unintentionally launched first, perhaps at a perceived weakness.

Vault-tec, the Enclave, or any other organization could have launched a nuke or two to spook both sides into launching.

The Zetans are also implied to be possibly responsible. Causing the nuclear exchange to weaken Earth for their own purposes, be that invasion or simply resource harvesting.

Im sure there are a few other possibilities, and up to and including all of them could be true.