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So, we now know the year of chaos is "over", if it ever is.

I now want to introduce the next 12 months, as the year of the space marine.

We have, as a minimum:

HH 3.0.
Codex space marines 2.0 with a release wave.
Black templars.
Grey knights.
11th ed launch box.
Another space marine codex and release average for 11th.
I'll eat my hat if there isn't a campaign with Russ appearing before 11th as well.

Ah, so a year ending in a number then?

Dai2 wrote:
Ah, so a year ending in a number then?

You are not wrong.
All years are the year of the space marine. But some are more space marine then others.

In a 12 month spread having a new edition of both HH and 40k is going to make it a lot more of a focus then other years.

It’s going to feel a little spammy on the power armor, no doubt.

This may be the most concentrated 12 months of power armour we've ever witnessed.

Truly, this is the era of STELH REHN

*Me, when I'm being drowned by marine SKU's*

"BROTHER, I AM PINNED HERE"

Hopefully, this is the year that I can get a Primaris Lieutenant. I missed out in the past decade's worth of Lieutenants.

 Quixote wrote:
Hopefully, this is the year that I can get a Primaris Lieutenant. I missed out in the past decade's worth of Lieutenants.

I could actually use one or two more.

I’d prefer them over more captains. I’ve already got more of them then a chapter has companies…

It was inevitable.

^Hahaha

Mozzamanx wrote:
It was inevitable.

snip

You win the internet today, sir

In the small chance people stumble on this thread not knowing context, here’s the warcom article where they go over the year of chaos in review.

Article

From what I gather, GW consider June when the rats got a big rat into pantheon to be when it started. (Forgive me for I do not play AOS or fantasy, so all I know is rats are a thing and something happened with them).

 The_Pilot wrote:
(Forgive me for I do not play AOS or fantasy, so all I know is rats are a thing and something happened with them).

Short version: the Skaven deity, the Great Horned Rat, ascended to become a full-fledged Chaos god, finally on par with Tzeentch, Khorne, Nurgle, and the still-missing Slaanesh.

As for the 'Year of the Space Marine': It's not like they haven't been getting a ton of love, what with being in the starter with all-new models, plus refreshes for THREE snowflake Chapters...

 BorderCountess wrote:

 The_Pilot wrote:
(Forgive me for I do not play AOS or fantasy, so all I know is rats are a thing and something happened with them).

Short version: the Skaven deity, the Great Horned Rat, ascended to become a full-fledged Chaos god, finally on par with Tzeentch, Khorne, Nurgle, and the still-missing Slaanesh.

As for the 'Year of the Space Marine': It's not like they haven't been getting a ton of love, what with being in the starter with all-new models, plus refreshes for THREE snowflake Chapters...

The starter wasn't this year however. In the next calendar year there is the highest concentration of power armour to date I believe.

When do the Drukhari models and book come out? Is it going to be like my guard army last edition, 1.5months before the 11th?

Ho ho, you think we're getting models...

If you're going to have a year of the space marine, then like.. every day should focus on one of the thousand space marine chapters. heck... almost three years of space marines each day focusing on a space marine chapter.

Here is GW's touting the "Year of Chaos".

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/nd4k1col/the-year-of-chaos-in-review-all-the-gifts-of-the-dark-gods/

I usually don't like to post negative comments and try to focus on the positive, but the "Year of Chaos" was a total joke. Even if you include the CSM dex (which now GW is, despite not mentioning the year of chaos until well after) Chaos 40k got the following releases:

CSM - Two Lord characters
EC - Fulgrim, Lucius, two lords characters, flawless blades, Tormentors (which is a duel kit), Noise Marines.
DG - another character
WE - a character nobody asked for
TS - silly looking robots (and the only faction outside of EC to get something that was not a character)
Daemons - zip
Knights - a new big one (which will be matched by the Imperial Knight Codex)


That is a total of 14 units if you include the Knight, and count the tormentors as two since it is a duel build. And of that EC was a launch of a new faction, so you would expect even GW to give them a bit more kits then than the other factions, and only TS got something that was not a character otherwise.

And it is not like there is not need for Chaos models. CSM bikes are ancient (and out of stock), they don't even sell Huron, the Defiler looks like crap, still no Chaos drop pod, WE feels like half an army and can use a slew of units, TS has a small roster and could probably use a couple new units, daemons were completely overlooked, with DG being the only army that is probably not in desperate need of some new models (they did a surprisingly good initial release for them, as compared to EC, TS, and WE).


On the other hand,
Space wolves got 9 new units (four of which are actually units, not just characters) and they just released a new drop pod. So that is 10 releases just with space wolves which is 4 short of everything chaos got. And this doesn't include the blood angel release that is like 5 more units, nor some of the one off characters they dropped like that new captain.

Now yes, SW and BA needed updates for some of their models that were old. That is fine. But what irks me about the whole things is to tout this as the "year of chaos" like none of us chaos players have any clue about this disparity in releases. But Space Marines drive the game I guess, so there you have it.

 xeen wrote:
...the Defiler looks like crap...

Aww, you take that back!

Agreed on the rest though.

Christ, are they doing 11th already? How long does an edition of 40k last these days?

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
Christ, are they doing 11th already? How long does an edition of 40k last these days?

3 years (and keep in mind there are over 24 factions now so even if they released a codex a month, which they don't, it would take over 2 years for everyone to get a codex and then a new edition), and every 6 is looking like a complete reset with indexes followed by codexes.

Wayniac wrote:

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
Christ, are they doing 11th already? How long does an edition of 40k last these days?

3 years (and keep in mind there are over 24 factions now so even if they released a codex a month, which they don't, it would take over 2 years for everyone to get a codex and then a new edition), and every 6 is looking like a complete reset with indexes followed by codexes.

Kinda glad I checked out of the game 10 years back tbh, saved myself some cash.

It's more mind-boggling that people still eat it up and teach GW that it's okay to do it.

 xeen wrote:
Space wolves got 9 new units (four of which are actually units, not just characters) and they just released a new drop pod.

Has the step-back-from-the-current-kit drop pod released yet?

 Dysartes wrote:

 xeen wrote:
Space wolves got 9 new units (four of which are actually units, not just characters) and they just released a new drop pod.

Has the step-back-from-the-current-kit drop pod released yet?

No it'll be in the 3rd release of the Year of the Space Marine when codex 2.0 drops. Or that might be the 4th release if Saturnine beats it to the punch.

@xeen:

Maybe when Chaos does get a drop pod, it will have glorious opening doors instead of sucking as hard as the incoming SM kit.

Then at least we'd be able to rub something in loyalist faces.

(I am so grateful that I found a classic drop pod on a store shelf in Toronto before they become unavailable.)

 xeen wrote:
Daemons - zip

"Zip" would have been preferable. Between having stuff sent to Legends and the crappy way they interact with the God-aligned Legions, I think Daemons overall are in a worse place than they were a year ago.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 xeen wrote:
Daemons - zip

"Zip" would have been preferable. Between having stuff sent to Legends and the crappy way they interact with the God-aligned Legions, I think Daemons overall are in a worse place than they were a year ago.

It's especially sucky that if you're running a Crusade with God-aligned Legions and you like Daemons and frequently use the Daemon detachments from Legion books, the daemons you include aren't actually a part of your Crusade order of battle and can't gain XP. It flies in the whole face of Crusade, which, since it's conception in 9th allowed ALL Imperial units to be included in the Order of Battle for ANY Imperial army and did the same thing for chaos. You couldn't necessarily field them in the same army, but if you had EC and Slaanesh Daemons on the roster, you could fight with EC in one battle, with Daemons in the next, and collect XP for everyone.

Now some A-hole decided ALL Daemons everywhere are only ever summoned and never grow over time (because even if you use the Index to play a pure Daemon army, you'll never have a dex, which means you'll never have Crusade content).

I know most people don't bother with Crusade, so I wasn't sure how many of you were aware of the magnitude of suckosity GW just handed down to Daemonic Crusaders.

EDIT: Just double checked a codex, and I was a bit off: Technically, you CAN (and in fact MUST) only use Daemons that are on your Crusade roster... But they don't gain XP. This is actually even WORSE than my mistaken impression above, because this system actually requires you to waste a portion of your supply limit on stuff that can't grow if you're a sucker for certain models.

And not letting the Infernal Enrapturess be in an army full of Noise Marines is another epitome of stoopid, but that's a separate issue.

That's only true if you use the codex-based datasheets instead of the index-based.

For example: Crusade marks a difference between a Legions Daemonica Lord of Change, and a Scintillating Legions Lord of Change. The former (from the index) would gain XP and grow in power as any other unit would. It could be fielded in either a Legions Daemonica army, or as an ally to Heretics Astartes or Chaos Knights. While Daemons currently have no Crusade rules of their own, they CAN use the various Crusade books for Battle Honors.

The latter (Codex: Thousand Sons) would not gain XP, and could only be fielded as part of a Thousand Sons army using the Changehost detachment.

Wayniac wrote:
It's more mind-boggling that people still eat it up and teach GW that it's okay to do it.

Look, I like models/minis.
GW keeps making models/minis I like.
So they keep getting my $.
If they'd just stop making new models I like (next up is some Saturnine termies & Cathay)....

I'm not going to stop buying models I like because some of you have some issues with how fast they change the rules.

 BorderCountess wrote:
That's only true if you use the codex-based datasheets instead of the index-based.

For example: Crusade marks a difference between a Legions Daemonica Lord of Change, and a Scintillating Legions Lord of Change. The former (from the index) would gain XP and grow in power as any other unit would. It could be fielded in either a Legions Daemonica army, or as an ally to Heretics Astartes or Chaos Knights. While Daemons currently have no Crusade rules of their own, they CAN use the various Crusade books for Battle Honors.

The latter (Codex: Thousand Sons) would not gain XP, and could only be fielded as part of a Thousand Sons army using the Changehost detachment.

Wow... Dude, you just blew my mind! How did I miss that? Thank you for rescuing my Emperor's Children crusade.

It would still be better if I could use the Legion Daemonica in the Legion's Daemon detachment, and they won't get new bespoke content since they aren't getting a dex, but being able to include real Daemons on the roster and have them grow is better than nothing; it also means I can legally include the Enrapturess on the roster, which is HUGE.

I might be able to talk my circle into letting me experiment with house rules when it suits the narrative... But if not, the Crusade itself will still be legit.