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Chaos Lt. ~ 142 points.

-Demonic Speed

-Demonic Resilience

-Demonic Essence

-Spiky Bits

-Dark Blade

-Bolt Pistol

-Frag Grenades

-Undivided

-Demonic Mutation

 

 

Elites

2 Obliterators ~ 140 points

 

 

Troops

10 Chaos Space Marines ~ 229

-Champion

-Power Fist

-Bolt Pistol

-Melta Gun

-Melta Gun

-Infiltrate

-Frag Grenades

 

5 Chaos Space Marines ~ 110

-Lascannon

-Plasma Gun

-Infiltrate

 

5 Chaos Space Marines ~ 110

-Lascannon

-Plasma Gun

-Infiltrate

 

6 Daemonettes ~ 90

 

6 Daemonettes ~ 90

 

6 Bloodletters ~ 156

 

Fast Attack

5 Bikers ~ 254

-Champion

-Power Weapon

-Demonic Strength

-Melta Gun

-Melta Gun

-Furious Charge

-Undivided

-Skilled Riders

-Frag Grenades

 

Heavy Support

Chaos Predator ~ 180

-Twin Linked Lascannon

-Side Sponsons: Heavy Bolters

-Demonic Possesion

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The obliterators, pred, and two CSM squads give me good firepower and the rest is a solid assault force taking advantage of the deamons.  Do i need more icon bearers or will the Lt. and bike squad survive to turn 2 and 3?  Does the list need help?

 

 

Hi Strafed,

Looks like a nice list. Some pointers:

The Lieut might be over his maximum of Daemonic Gifts (if I recall correctly he may only have 50 points of Daemonic Gifts).

The Predator is too dressed up for my liking. You've made the only tank in your army cost 180 points; but it can still die to one lascannonshot. It won't live long.

The Bikers have a mark and two veteran skillz. Too much and illegal. Drop Furious Charge.

Icon-wise you're good.

Things I'd doo? Make the Lieut this:

Lieut - Bike, Meltagun, Dark Blade, MoCU, Pers Icon.

Drop One Obliterator.

Drop two CSM's from the largest Squad

Get two more Bloodletters

Drop one biker (and the Furious Charge)

Drop the Mutated Hull and the Daemonic Posession.

Get one more Annihilator with HB sponsons, or (my favorite) get 8 Furies.

Good luck with your list, let us know how you do with it...

Cilithan out.

 

Im not so sure about the oblits. Even in 1500 I use 3 just as a fire base. 3 obliterators means there is nothing you cannot kill. They are like insurance, they are expensive but you will be happy you have them with crap hits the fan. You can then use your marines for horde control. Obliterator are always shot at. They always attract fire from seasoned players. Good reason too since they are ver efficient at killing and surviving.

Lascannons and infiltrate is a bit silly, no? If you want them to infiltrate maybe two plasmas instead of the lascannon. You can move and fire a plasma gun plus more shots can be fired.

6 men to a squad. 5 men make it much easier to have them at or below 50%.

Like Cilithan said, lower that 10 man squad to 8.

I could be crazy but are not chaos icons free? You can put em on every squad! And do so. The last thing you want is a luck demolisher cannon shot annihilating your only chance of a daemon bomb.

Daemonic mutation is a bit much but the mutated hull is nice to hit Armor 14 I think?

Same with the biker comments.

2 more bloodletters. 8 is Khorne's number! It wont do anything but it helps with asthetics and general fluff feel.

I dont like the two las / plas squads.. I dont know, something about them. You could just use plas and HB that way you could take on any horde army.

Hey Trooper & Strafed,

Another reply by me...

Oblits are good! I didn't advice dropping one because I doubt that. But they are vulnerable to lascannons and I fear they might die too quickly in this list to be worthy of the investment.

Infiltrate isn't that necesary for the lascannons (although the deploying last does help) the reason you need Infiltrate on those squads is to summon closer to the enemy.

Icons? I assumed Strafed took the Icon on all CSM squads and on the bikers, if he didn't he NEEDS to do so.

Mutated Hull is very much so worth it normally, but less so on the only vehicle in the list. The points dropped I advised, might buy a second Pred which is better then one with Mutated Hull.

Lascannons are good, Daemonbombs have difficulty with mounted Tau and Eldar, not so much in hordes controll, the Daemons are too good at that part for Hordes to be a great threat. I'd keep the Lascannons over the HB's.

6 man squads on the CSM is good but I don't know if Strafed will find the points, if not 5 man is good.

Anyway, the list has potential, interested to hear a reply by Strafed.

For Comparison I'll post my list, as I said it's similar although I've focussed on more CC-power/speed and less shooting.

113 - Lord, Stature, Flight, 2CCW, Frag, MoCU, Pers Icon

125 - Lieut, Bike, Dark Blade, Melta, MoCU, Pers Icon

110 - 5 CSM, Missile, Plas, Inf, MoCU, Icon

110 - 5 CSM, Autoc, Plas, Inf, MoCU, Icon

101 - 5 CSM, Hvy Bolter, Flam, Inf, MoCU, Icon

208 - 8 Bloodletters

90 - 6 Daemonettes

90 - 6 Daemonettes

120 - 8 Furies

168 - 6 Mounted Daemonettes

115 - 3 Bikers, Plasma, MoCU, Icon

150 - Defiler

1500 points - 55 models, 10 scoring units

Mine performs very well, I know yours will too.

Cilithan out...

I love defilers .

I see what you mean by points. I was just looking at in a case by case basis. I have never used bikes, relying on my daemons where I needed em with the infiltraters or lord. Good call on the Lt. with a Dark Blade people will never see that one coming.

How do you guys like Havocs instead of another Pred? If i was to add Furies, what should i take out?

Cilithan a question on your list, why the heavy bolter and flamer, chances are is that youll only ever fire one in a turn because most of the time whoever is in range of it will charge and if their not close enough where you can stand and shoot withe it then youll have to move and not fire the heavy bolter. Just wondering on that one. And strafed I would take the Havocs over the pred personally, tanks work better in pairs and even better in trips one tank isnt very survivable unless its a monolith.

peace
aaron

Hey Strafed, Karange97,

Strafed: Havocs are very nice! Indeed, as Karnage says better than having just one tanks in 1500 points.

In the old days a guy named Therion was quite legendary here on Dakka. His take on a Daemonbomb army was the following: <?

Headquarters:

 

Daemon Prince: 182p
MocU, Personal Icon, 2x CCW
Stature, Flight, Aura, Mutation
Strength, Resilience, Essence
Bionics

Troops:

5 Chaos Marines: 115p
Mark of Chaos Undivided, Icon
Lascannon, Plasma Gun
Infiltrate

5 Chaos Marines: 115p
Mark of Chaos Undivided, Icon
Lascannon, Plasma Gun
Infiltrate

5 Bloodletters: 130p

5 Bloodletters: 130p

5 Bloodletters: 130p

5 Bloodletters: 130p

Fast Attack:

5 Mounted Daemonettes: 140p

8 Furies: 120p

8 Furies: 120p

Heavy Support:

6 Chaos Havocs: 188p
Mark of Chaos Undivided, Icon
4 Missile Launchers
Infiltrate

Total Points: 1500
Total Models: 58

If I recall correctly he took this to a GT in England and did rather well. I believe his comment to the way it functioned was: I should've put in more Mounted Daemonettes.

Anyway, the squad of Havocs is a very good option and will add even more resillience to your list Strafed. You ask what to take out if you were to put in some Furies? Well I gave some pointers earlier, but I'll try if I can, to remodel your list in that direction.

Chaos Lt.: 116 points

-Daemonic Speed

-Dark Blade

-Bolt Pistol

-MoCU

-Infiltrate  

-Personal Icon

 

1 Obliterator: 70 points

 

8 Chaos Space Marines: 192

-Aspiring Champion

-Power Fist

-Bolt Pistol

-Melta Gun

-Melta Gun

-Infiltrate

-MoCU

-Icon

 

5 Chaos Space Marines: 115

-Lascannon

-Plasma Gun

-Infiltrate

-MoCU

-Icon

 

5 Chaos Space Marines: 115

-Lascannon

-Plasma Gun

-Infiltrate

-MoCU

-Icon

 

6 Daemonettes: 90

 

6 Daemonettes: 90

 

8 Bloodletters: 208

 

4 Bikers: 201

-Aspiring Champion

-Power Weapon

-Demonic Strength

-Melta Gun

-Melta Gun

-MoCU

-Icon

-Skilled Riders

 

9 Furies: 135

 

6 Chaos Space Marine Havocs 168

-3 Missile Launchers

-Infiltrate

-MoCU

-Icon  

 

1500 points, 59 models, 10 scoring units

 

It's a winner! Well honestly, a list like this would be very good. Also whenever adventurous you can swap the 168 points Havocs for 168 points of Mounted Daemonettes.

 

Karnage97: Why the HB/Flamer? Well it's a compromise and one that might warrant revision. The idea is: those squads are mainly for summoning so have to be cheap, also, when they survive enemy fire they might as well try to do some damage. The idea with both the flamer and the HB is: cheap damage in multiple situations. If I don't use one of either it's just 5 points wasted. But maybe I'll try taking out the HB and uppgrading the Missilie Launcher to a Lascannon. Thnx.

 

Cilithan out...

I really like the new list Cilithan. I am going to use that one. Will the lone Obliterator make a difference? or should i spend that somewhere else?