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FOR THIS POLL, PLEASE ANSWER HOW YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY THE GAME, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE RULES AS WRITTEN (RAW) SAY.

The Instant Death! rule on page 27 of the rulebook says: "If a creature is wounded by something which has a Strength value of double their Toughness value or greater and fail their save, they are killed outright and removed as a casualty."

The Determine Assault Results rules on page 43 of the rulebook say: "To decide who has won the combat, total up the number of wounds inflicted by each side. The side that causes the most is the winner, th other side is the loser and may be forced back if they fail a Morale check. Note that wounds which have been negated by Armour Saves do not count, nor do wounds in excess of a model's Wounds characteristic, only wounds actually inflicted."

 

 

QUESTION: Does a multi-wound creature that was removed as a casualty due to Instant Death! (or some other special rule) count wounds it had remaining towards an Assualt result?

For example: A unit of Ogryns (3 Wound models) are in an Assault against a unit of Space Marines, one of which is a Veteran Sergeant armed with a Powerfist. The Sergeant with the Powerfist causes 3 wounds that, because of the Instant Death! rule, result in three (previously unwounded) Ogryn models being removed as casualties. For the purposes of the determining an Assault result do those three Ogryn casualties count as 3 wounds inflicted or 9 wounds inflicted?

 

 

OPTION A. Only wounds successfully allocated to enemy models as part of casualty removal count as being "inflicted". Therefore in the example above the answer would be: "3 wounds".

OPTION B. The total number of models' wounds removed during an Assault count as those "inflicted". Therefore in the example above the answer would be: "9 wounds".

OPTION C. Something else entirely: reply exactly what it is below.

I've always played B, doesn't seem to make sense any other way, no matter what RAW might be.

B. It would be extremely demoralizing for anyone to see a tough compatriot fall in battle, whether by bits and pieces or all at once. The full number of wounds have been removed, so the full number should count.

Yakface, it would have been better to add one of the Ogryns having 1 wound taken already meaning, two unwounded and one wounded model. This may have confused too many people though.

I voted B for this question, instant death still causes the remaining wounds to be removed as casualties. I always go with how many total wounds were removed during that phase (so if one of the Ogryns had been wounded and they suffered the same fate it would have been 8 wounds for victory purposes).

B. Definetly B for all the reasons above

The passages quoted for the poll is leaving out an important statement at the end of the "Determine Assault Results" section.
To determine combat results, count "... only wounds actually suffered by enemy models (including all of the Wounds lost by models that have suffered instand death)."

The instant death of an unwounded three wound model removes three wounds, hence option B is the proper way of playing according to the rulebook.

This poll was originally posted back in 4th edition when such a passage didn't exist in the rules.


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