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Made in us
Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw





St. Louis, MO

Hive Fleet Grendel

In 2005 the new Tyranids came out. We agonized at the studio about a studio color scheme. We came up with Hive Fleet Grendel:

http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_gallery.php?galleryID=294

I remember a night where we all stayed at the studio, cramped in a single office until 1am, getting a project done. It was a great experience.



One element to be considered is light/dark contrast. We went for a dark shell and light skin. Secondly, I definitely wanted them to look organic, so I went for a more or less human-looking skin. To add some color we introduced Vallejo Gory Red (my favorite red, though it dries quickly). I’ve never been partial to overly bright tyranids. The carapace is a hideously complicated formula including three kinds of paint, two kinds of ink, and five base elements as a medium.



Each glaze is put on in two or three translucent layers.

Since then, there have been several clients who have requested the color scheme. The original army even went on tour on the east coast for about a month.

Here’s the most recent reinforcements:
http://www.bluetablepainting.com/view_gallery.php?galleryID=995

Enjoy!

Eric

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Blue Table Painting-- miniatures painting service. High quality, good prices, and quick turnaround. www.bluetablepainting.com

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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne






I don't care how many times you call it a glaze....

They look dipped. Or rather slathered with the stain with controlled brush strokes rather than just dipping. They look just like my orks, which were dipped.

www.pbase.com/whitedragon

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Made in us
Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw





St. Louis, MO

Hey, WD...
I checked out your Orks at pbase. Not bad for dipped.

I presume you're only talking about the troops.

If that Squiggoth and the red tank with the checkered banner are dipped, you have SERIOUSLY brought it to a new level, because they don't look it at all. They look far nicer than anything dipped I've ever seen.

Anyway... I noticed that a great many of those pics were taken at the GW store up at the Mills Mall... Some time ago, too, as they sold that "waterfall" table off at the last auction (they said they were going to use the funds to build a painting bar across the back wall which has yet to materialize <G&gt.

You should PM me. I live in Festus, so I don't get up there that often, but we might be able to arrange to meet (maybe play a game?) some Sunday. I ordered a WD subscription during the Medusa campaign and I have to go up there once a month to pick up my magazine (plus, it gives me the opportunity to get up there). I don't paint for BTP, I just do online PR work. I DO have a few models painted by them and I can tell you that the end product is FAR better than anything Ive seen in ANY of their pictures.
I'd love the opportunity to give you the chance to see them in person and form an opinion based on that.

I look forward to hearing from you (or anyone else in the vicinity).

Eric

Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 
   
Made in us
Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne






The pictures in my gallery are from Adepticon 2006. Prior to departing for Chicago, our team took pictures at the St. Louis Mills GW store. The squiggoth, and the red tanks and orks next to them were not dipped, and the Leman Russ was also not dipped. EVERY OTHER MODEL (Including the trukks and basilisk) were dipped.

Quite frankly, I would be appalled to pay some of the prices Blue Table charges to have my models look only marginally cleaner then what I have achieved myself. As NAVARRO pointed out, the broodlord's eyes are not even painted. From the pictures I have seen browsing the Blue Table site, I'm not very impressed and I would have to say that the Tyranids are their best work.

Honestly I'm not really that interested to see them in person, as the pictures are a definite letdown after reading the endless prattling about "technique". I mean, you're selling a product, wouldn't you want to make sure your pictures, (which most of your clients will use to make the decision to choose your service) are of utmost quality?

But maybe we can arrange something since I do attempt to make it up to the Mills on the weekends.

Veriamp wrote:I have emerged from my lurking to say one thing. When Mat taught the Necrons to feel, he taught me to love.

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Made in se
Violent Enforcer





Skelleftea, Sweden

I like these tyras. Keep up the good job, BTP.

BTP keep producing great results with their glazing technique.
Face it, in order to get economy in a painting studio you have to cut some corners (glazing, dipping, drybrushing etc.) - or use thirld world staff.

/Magnus

And navarro - IMHO aliens shouldn't have eyes (watch Aliens) ;-)
   
Made in ca
Fresh-Faced New User




Bellevegas Ontario

I must concur here - and quite frankly with the pieces my buddy paid to have done (or as he would say PARTLY done) - im not surprised the eyes have been skipped here. I have not been the least bit impressed with what I have seen come out of this studio.

 
   
Made in us
Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw





St. Louis, MO

I'm sorry to hear he had a bad experience.

Whenever someone has a project done with BTP, a survey is sent out afterwards. Do you know if he completed it?
Did he express his concerns to Shawn?

Eric

Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 
   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka




Canada

Thanks for fielding peoples' critisims here Eric. I'm glad you've been so polite given the overly frank way they've directed it at you. WD- you're just shameless You should post at Frothers- they're pretty hardcore too. Seriously though, there's no need to literally attack the man! You've got the right to your opinion, and I'm not chiming in one way or another about the dipping thing given my new position. All I'm saying is that you could be a bit nicer about it!

"Nothing from the outside world can be imported into Canada without first being doused in ranch dressing. Canadian Techs have found that while this makes the internet delicious it tends to hamper the bandwidth potential. Scientists are working furiously to rectify the problem. "

--Glaive Company CO 
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut



California

I have to jump in here too, simply because people are finally stating what i've thought all along.

As to fielding criticisms, they're a painting company...they need to have the support of the gaming community to survive. If the people don't like the minis, they need to be told, and hopefully they'll correct it.

Your miniatures do look dipped. I also don't care how many times you say they are "carefully glazed" - because they look dipped. If I spend 5 days blending the shoulder pad, and it looks dry brushed, then I might have just dry brushed it.

BTP needs to try something else, because right now, your prices are NOT worth the product. Instead of spending the time trying to claim your stuff is glazed, how about you develop some more techniques.

Chuck





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Made in us
Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw





St. Louis, MO

Well, I have to be honest... it is really hard to educate people about certain techniques when they, clearly, cannot (or, possibly, WILL not) see the difference.
I've seen glazed minis in person... I own some...
I've seen dipped minis in person... I game with someone whose done it (well).

They look nothing alike. Even in pictures, there's a noticable difference.

If you can't see the difference, there's nothing I can do to help. There's nothing anyone can do.

As far as learning new techniques... Blue Table Painting has an established clientele who continue to return time and time again for well painted models at a competetive price. Why should they change anything for people who DON'T like them when the people who DO like them are the ones who are their customers?

That's not even including the droves of new customers who come in weekly after seeing their product in person.
How many of their critics can say they've ever seen one up close and in person?
I only see one on this thread who claims to.


Face it.
In life, you get what you pay for -- sometimes a little more.
BTP, in the eyes of their new and returning customers, are giving more.
...and I agree...
If I didn't, I'd have never accepted this job.

BTP (and this goes for every other painting service out there) can not and will not offer the kinds of paint jobs you are referring to at the price levels they (BTP) currently charge. People have families to feed. You can't paint a 5 hour masterpiece for $100 if you are trying to do it for a living. It doesn't make sense.
After paying your various fees (including income tax, rent, etc.) you are making little more than minimum wage.
That's great if you're a 17 year old kid living at home with Mom and Dad... not so good for a thirty-something trying to feed a family.

You claim that BTP has high prices, but I have yet to see anyone who does work to this high quality for these low prices. I would relish the opportunity to see some comparable competition. Please, PM me some links. I will look at every one.

Eric

Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
You are a thief and a predator of the wargaming community, and i'll be damned if anyone says differently ever again on my watch in these forums. -MajorTom11 
   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka




Canada

These personal attacks aren't cool. Chucky- seriously dude. This is totally against the Dakka policy and you've been here long enough to know that. I'm disappointed that when opened this thread people had stated to bash BTP again. It's getting kind of old.... as in beating a skeletal horse old.

"Nothing from the outside world can be imported into Canada without first being doused in ranch dressing. Canadian Techs have found that while this makes the internet delicious it tends to hamper the bandwidth potential. Scientists are working furiously to rectify the problem. "

--Glaive Company CO 
   
 
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