Darnok's most reliable birdy has reported him the following information

As most of you will know, the next release for 40K will be Codex: Necrons at the end of January. But...

Quote Originally Posted by Birdy

After that come.... Harlequins. Multiple plastic kits and clams over several weeks I think including new jetbike riding ones, is there a current or old name for them? These are called sky weavers.

Apply salt as usual, but this comes from my most trusted source. Unless there is anything big I'm unaware of this should be hitting February, or March at the latest.

A merry laughing Christmas to all of you.

Plastic Harlequin models including jetbikes?

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas



[ Update: First week Preorder ETA is Friday January 30 2015 (GMT 1900) and January 31 in Australia, New Zealand and Asia ]
[ Seems to be a 3+ week release ]
[ The Harlequin teaser video got released - Preorder on Jan 30 confirmed ]
[ Photos got leaked, see below ]
[ A second video teasers the Codex: Harlequins cover artwork ]
[ Jetbikes are confirmed for the 2nd week - see the pics below ]
[ Starweaver spotted on artwork - see week 3 releases ]
[ Codex, Painting guide, Datacards, Harlequin dice, Starweaver/Voidweaver vehicle confirmed for week 3 - Preorder on Feb 13 ]
[ A new Deathjester and a new Shadowseer model were spotted, rumored for week 4 - Preorder on Feb 20 ]
[ Codex and the other week 3 releases can be preordered today - Feb 13 circa 1900 GMT (UK) ]



Here they are!



GW Harlequin Week 3 Product Video




Week 1 - Harlequins Troupe box and Solitaire clampack



Week 2 - Skyweaver Jetbikes box

Makes sense to focus on Eldar considering they have the most non-plastic kits out there aside from the Forgotten Sisters of Metal. Harlequins would also round out the Dark Eldar range while allowing GW to release more DLC for folks that still convince themselves into playing 40k.

Might this mean that the guardian jet bikes finally maybe possibly against all odds be getting an update at some point in the near future???

Who knows....



Don't hold your breath though.

Necron/Eldar campaign box? That'd be interesting.

But plastic Harli's is a great thing. The less metal (or FineCost), the better.

I love Harlequin models . I would definitely collect a plastic set of these.

Is it weird that I genuinely do not remember if I own any Harlequins?

I was guessing that ELDAR had to be up soon and even speculated among our local game group that we would see a Necron/Eldar campaign. This will be cool if it pans out. Looking forward to seeing the plastic harlies....maybe even a harlie supplement.

And something that lets DE players take them again.

And an expansion on what Harli units we can get *cough* Solitaire *cough*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And an expansion on what Harli units we can get *cough* Solitaire *cough*

That would make sense, given GW's fondness for dual-build kits these days - either two unit types of Harlequin, or a ret-conned brand new unit which by an amazing coincidence uses most of the same bits

Eldar really need a lot of models redone, so I could totally see this.

Aspect warriors next please!

Yay 4th version of aspect warriors! I actually really like the reapers, hawks, banshees, scorpions and fire dragons,. Just sucks they arent plastic,

Love the current scorpions. The hawks and dragons are fine looking if not a little monopose. The banshees are great. I feel the reapers need *something* done to them. The spiders REALLY need a redo though. Those ugly arse monopose clunky looking fethers are in dire need of a new look.

Yeah, I left off spiders for a reason :p They only have a single version.. same with shining spears. As many many other threads have said, the main issue is that aspect warriors can't do dual kits so probably not very economical for GW to create plastic kits for A) Units that mostly suck besides FD/hawks and B) Are only used in small quantities.

So... who else is hoping for a Dataslate for a Harlequin Formation?

 whembly wrote:
So... who else is hoping for a Dataslate for a Harlequin Formation?

Does anyone actually look forward to dataslates?

Here, I'll just make one up:

Harlequin Troupe. - +40 points
Buy a bunch of Harlequin boxed sets.
If you didn't buy them at a discount, they all get free Kisses.
If you buy 10 or more sets directly from Games Workshop, you get a the ability to field an Autarch with the Mantle of the Laughing God for 100points. No model for it, but you can call it a Solitaire.

You can feel free to run that dataslate for free. It'll be as balanced as GW's and just as much "fun". Enjoy your hobby.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So... who else is hoping for a Dataslate for a Harlequin Formation?

Does anyone actually look forward to dataslates?

Ain't that the truth.

No one wants DLC. We want the complete product sold to us at once thanks, not siphoned off into smaller products for (even more) inflated prices.

WOO HOOO! Harlequin supplement! Finally GW do something right, now if I can just get an Eldar Exodietes supplement I'd be happier (though no fully until they bring back the Squats and the Sisters of Battle)

Well, I hope that's true. The more finecast fades back into a distant memory (or nightmare) the better.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Makes sense to focus on Eldar considering they have the most non-plastic kits out there aside from the Forgotten Sisters of Metal. Harlequins would also round out the Dark Eldar range while allowing GW to release more DLC for folks that still convince themselves into playing 40k.

Could you be a bit more passive-aggressive? I think one 40k player somewhere missed that. There's no need for this. Some people enjoy 40k, deal with it.

I'm okay with everything that ends with metal or failcast kits remade in plastic. Well. maybe not with some prices, but I'm mostly okay with this.

As much as I welcome this news, the prospect of having to paint a chequered colour scheme on these models, has me breaking out in a cold sweat. There's got to be an easy way to do it.

I'll grant you they are very similar but there are actually several poses for warp spiders, as many as there were for all the original aspect warrior types.

I don't own a single Eldar model, but assuming these are good enough and there's a formation/datalslate that lets me use them alongside my other armies then I might well be in for a box unless the price is obscenely stupid (£25.00+).

Not that I'll buy the Dataslate, it should be minimal enough that the codex profile and a few notes made from leaks will suffice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Necron/Eldar campaign box? That'd be interesting.

I'd buy that for a dollar, or possibly for 80 euro. And I wouldn't have to find some schmuck to take the Marines off my hands, like with the last two versus sets.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Necron/Eldar campaign box? That'd be interesting.

Doubt it.

Necrons are technically part of the Shield of Baal campaign, as Grey Knights were part of the Stormclaw campaign.

Also, after the Orks-Space Wolves (& Grey Knight) campaign, Dark Eldar came out on their own.

So...

After the Tyranids-Blood Angels (& Necrons) campaign, Clown Eldar come out on their own?

 Absolutionis wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So... who else is hoping for a Dataslate for a Harlequin Formation?

Does anyone actually look forward to dataslates?

Here, I'll just make one up:

Harlequin Troupe. - +40 points
Buy a bunch of Harlequin boxed sets.
If you didn't buy them at a discount, they all get free Kisses.
If you buy 10 or more sets directly from Games Workshop, you get a the ability to field an Autarch with the Mantle of the Laughing God for 100points. No model for it, but you can call it a Solitaire.

You can feel free to run that dataslate for free. It'll be as balanced as GW's and just as much "fun". Enjoy your hobby.

I look forward to Dataslates.

I love the "DLC" model that GW has been doing lately. There are several reasons.

1. It supports an environment where "fluff" releases with models are possible. Deathwatch 5 man box with HQ clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Genestealer Cult 5-10 man box with Magus clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Kroot Mercenaries new unit box with Shaper clampack? Add a dataslate and release. There is no reason to wait potentially years for the next Codex to come out.

2. It supports an environment where not all releases and rules have to come in a Codex or White Dwarf. More sources means more rules means more ways to play. I like options. I like that Black Library can drop a random Dataslate on me. My friend is an Ork player. Getting the freebie Heroes of Sanctus Reach was really cool in that it had a named Flash Gitz unit with a relic gun for the "Sarge". This would never have happened under the old system.

3. It's cheaper if you don't want all of the rules. I don't play Eldar. Currently, if I want to play with Harlequin models, I have to buy a Codex and the requisite HQ and Troops Eldar unit "tax". I'm looking at $50 for the Codex and maybe ~$75-100 for models I'm not interested in plus the cost of the Harlequins. A Harlequin dataslate would allow me to pay, we'll say, $20 for a dataslate plus the cost of the models. Cheaper overall. Vindicare Assassins are another good example. I don't want to play Grey Knights, but I do want to play with an Assassin. Dataslate: Officio Assassinorum is cheaper than the old Codex: Grey Knights.

Ultimately, assuming you aren't the kind of person who needs to have ALL OF THE RULES, you now have more options, more quickly from more sources and for less money per option. If you are the kind of person who needs to have ALL OF THE RULES, be aware that you're looking at more than 1500 USD. If this is too much, find another hobby?

Exalted Kriswall

Well said, Kriswall; particularly part 1.

A Harlequin release sounds similar in concept to the recent Stormtroopers codex – so I'd expect a small amount of kits, no campaign, and a small standalone Codex.

I'd expect the dual nature of the jetbikes simply to be that Guardian rider/pilots are included – so similar to the Taurox, one box supports two Codices. Harlequins are iconic enough that I don't really expect a dual kit; I'd anticipate simply lots and lots of optional extras, like the Blightkings.

Either way, I'm excited to see the models.

Agreed Kriswall. Everytime someone shows up with one of these data slates to my local gaming group, it add variety to the weekly games.

It is nice as Kriswall posted for the individual building the list, but also for their opponent. It is something new, with its own rules and fluff if you're interested in such a thing.

Here is hoping for a harly supplement!

 Kriswall wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So... who else is hoping for a Dataslate for a Harlequin Formation?

Does anyone actually look forward to dataslates?

Here, I'll just make one up:

Harlequin Troupe. - +40 points
Buy a bunch of Harlequin boxed sets.
If you didn't buy them at a discount, they all get free Kisses.
If you buy 10 or more sets directly from Games Workshop, you get a the ability to field an Autarch with the Mantle of the Laughing God for 100points. No model for it, but you can call it a Solitaire.

You can feel free to run that dataslate for free. It'll be as balanced as GW's and just as much "fun". Enjoy your hobby.

I look forward to Dataslates.

I love the "DLC" model that GW has been doing lately. There are several reasons.

1. It supports an environment where "fluff" releases with models are possible. Deathwatch 5 man box with HQ clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Genestealer Cult 5-10 man box with Magus clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Kroot Mercenaries new unit box with Shaper clampack? Add a dataslate and release. There is no reason to wait potentially years for the next Codex to come out.

2. It supports an environment where not all releases and rules have to come in a Codex or White Dwarf. More sources means more rules means more ways to play. I like options. I like that Black Library can drop a random Dataslate on me. My friend is an Ork player. Getting the freebie Heroes of Sanctus Reach was really cool in that it had a named Flash Gitz unit with a relic gun for the "Sarge". This would never have happened under the old system.

3. It's cheaper if you don't want all of the rules. I don't play Eldar. Currently, if I want to play with Harlequin models, I have to buy a Codex and the requisite HQ and Troops Eldar unit "tax". I'm looking at $50 for the Codex and maybe ~$75-100 for models I'm not interested in plus the cost of the Harlequins. A Harlequin dataslate would allow me to pay, we'll say, $20 for a dataslate plus the cost of the models. Cheaper overall. Vindicare Assassins are another good example. I don't want to play Grey Knights, but I do want to play with an Assassin. Dataslate: Officio Assassinorum is cheaper than the old Codex: Grey Knights.

Ultimately, assuming you aren't the kind of person who needs to have ALL OF THE RULES, you now have more options, more quickly from more sources and for less money per option. If you are the kind of person who needs to have ALL OF THE RULES, be aware that you're looking at more than 1500 USD. If this is too much, find another hobby?

Which would be lovely, if they weren't also using the system to release stuff which could and should have been part of a codex. Further, if you wander back into the distant misty past of the early oughts, the sort of thing you're describing would pop up in White Dwarf, or even *shock-horror* for free on their website. This isn't about people who have to have "ALL OF THE RULES", it's about people being annoyed they're often now being asked to pay for a more expensive Codex, a more expensive Supplement, AND multiple Dataslates/White Dwarfs, sometimes not even just to have all the rules for the faction they play but simply to continue playing their army in the same style.

If this was simply a matter of GW releasing random fluff-based units, characters, and allies then you'd have a point, but it's not and you know that perfectly well.

It would be nice to finally see updated jetbikes, though I imagine the excitement will quickly fade because at this point GW would probably sell them for $80 a box.

 Kriswall wrote:
1. It supports an environment where "fluff" releases with models are possible. Deathwatch 5 man box with HQ clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Genestealer Cult 5-10 man box with Magus clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Kroot Mercenaries new unit box with Shaper clampack? Add a dataslate and release. There is no reason to wait potentially years for the next Codex to come out.

Literally none of those have happened, and I can't think for a second what would make you think that any of them would.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
1. It supports an environment where "fluff" releases with models are possible. Deathwatch 5 man box with HQ clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Genestealer Cult 5-10 man box with Magus clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Kroot Mercenaries new unit box with Shaper clampack? Add a dataslate and release. There is no reason to wait potentially years for the next Codex to come out.

Literally none of those have happened, and I can't think for a second what would make you think that any of them would.

I didn't say any of them had happened. I said it SUPPORTS an environment where they could happen. The only option in the "olden days" was a White Dwarf release. You would still be spending the money on the White Dwarf, so the rules were never really free. The presentation was also generally not as polished, wasn't available in electronic form (which I consider a bonus) and was frequently out of print almost immediately as the White Dwarf mags sold out.

Anyone referring to "polished presentation" in the context of GW DLC hasn't experienced the eye molestation that is EPub Codexes IMO.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So... who else is hoping for a Dataslate for a Harlequin Formation?

Does anyone actually look forward to dataslates?

Here, I'll just make one up:

Harlequin Troupe. - +40 points
Buy a bunch of Harlequin boxed sets.
If you didn't buy them at a discount, they all get free Kisses.
If you buy 10 or more sets directly from Games Workshop, you get a the ability to field an Autarch with the Mantle of the Laughing God for 100points. No model for it, but you can call it a Solitaire.

You can feel free to run that dataslate for free. It'll be as balanced as GW's and just as much "fun". Enjoy your hobby.

I look forward to Dataslates.

I love the "DLC" model that GW has been doing lately. There are several reasons.

1. It supports an environment where "fluff" releases with models are possible. Deathwatch 5 man box with HQ clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Genestealer Cult 5-10 man box with Magus clampack? Add a dataslate and release. Kroot Mercenaries new unit box with Shaper clampack? Add a dataslate and release. There is no reason to wait potentially years for the next Codex to come out.

2. It supports an environment where not all releases and rules have to come in a Codex or White Dwarf. More sources means more rules means more ways to play. I like options. I like that Black Library can drop a random Dataslate on me. My friend is an Ork player. Getting the freebie Heroes of Sanctus Reach was really cool in that it had a named Flash Gitz unit with a relic gun for the "Sarge". This would never have happened under the old system.

3. It's cheaper if you don't want all of the rules. I don't play Eldar. Currently, if I want to play with Harlequin models, I have to buy a Codex and the requisite HQ and Troops Eldar unit "tax". I'm looking at $50 for the Codex and maybe ~$75-100 for models I'm not interested in plus the cost of the Harlequins. A Harlequin dataslate would allow me to pay, we'll say, $20 for a dataslate plus the cost of the models. Cheaper overall. Vindicare Assassins are another good example. I don't want to play Grey Knights, but I do want to play with an Assassin. Dataslate: Officio Assassinorum is cheaper than the old Codex: Grey Knights.

Ultimately, assuming you aren't the kind of person who needs to have ALL OF THE RULES, you now have more options, more quickly from more sources and for less money per option. If you are the kind of person who needs to have ALL OF THE RULES, be aware that you're looking at more than 1500 USD. If this is too much, find another hobby?

Which would be lovely, if they weren't also using the system to release stuff which could and should have been part of a codex. Further, if you wander back into the distant misty past of the early oughts, the sort of thing you're describing would pop up in White Dwarf, or even *shock-horror* for free on their website. This isn't about people who have to have "ALL OF THE RULES", it's about people being annoyed they're often now being asked to pay for a more expensive Codex, a more expensive Supplement, AND multiple Dataslates/White Dwarfs, sometimes not even just to have all the rules for the faction they play but simply to continue playing their army in the same style.

If this was simply a matter of GW releasing random fluff-based units, characters, and allies then you'd have a point, but it's not and you know that perfectly well.

It is extremely rare to require purchase of new materials to continuing playing an army (excluding a codex or rules edition release). I'm not even sure I can think of a recent example.

The system is designed so that new content can be introduced between codices for a faction. I like this, and I don't see how someone can imagine what units are going to be dropped into the game in the future. I certainly don't want to wait two years or or more for my faction of choice for new releases -- that's just the world we live in now.

I get that you would prefer dataslates on new units be given for free, or included with the unit. With GW, often, the stats can be found in White Dwarfs; in any case, if you want the stats and don't want to pay money, there are many, many ways to accomplish this.

 Kirasu wrote:
As many many other threads have said, the main issue is that aspect warriors can't do dual kits

I don't buy this - Hawks and Banshees could easily be a dual kit. With a bit of creative thinking Scorpions and Dragons could be another. Spiders and Reapers is pretty feasible too.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Which would be lovely, if they weren't also using the system to release stuff which could and should have been part of a codex.

This is where I actually start to feel sorry for GW.

Update codexes with a overhaul + large release every 4-6 years = "My faction hasn't been updated for ages, why do you hate me GW?!?!?"
Smaller releases alongside codexes with subsequent releases/updates to keep things fresh = "That should have been in the codex! GW are screwing us!"
Brand new codex for every race every year = "I just bought that codex and now it's useless after a few months, **** you GW"

They literally cannot win.

 Flashman wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
As many many other threads have said, the main issue is that aspect warriors can't do dual kits

I don't buy this - Hawks and Banshees could easily be a dual kit. With a bit of creative thinking Scorpions and Dragons could be another. Spiders and Reapers is pretty feasible too.

Honestly, all of them could be a single huge kit if someone were so inclined and they got creative with posing and base litter to accompany it.

 xttz wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Which would be lovely, if they weren't also using the system to release stuff which could and should have been part of a codex.

This is where I actually start to feel sorry for GW.

Update codexes with a overhaul + large release every 4-6 years = "My faction hasn't been updated for ages, why do you hate me GW?!?!?"
Smaller releases alongside codexes with subsequent releases/updates to keep things fresh = "That should have been in the codex! GW are screwing us!"
Brand new codex for every race every year = "I just bought that codex and now it's useless after a few months, **** you GW"

They literally cannot win.

Poppycock. GW "can't win" because every new rules release seems to try to bleed you for every dollar they can possibly extract. Looking at stuff like the digital Inquisitor codex for $25 and it reminds me of another user's comparison to the digital products having "gold-plated electrons." The special hard cover-bound books are an even worse.

As soon as they get their rules pricing under control, then GW will easily "win."

 Flashman wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
As many many other threads have said, the main issue is that aspect warriors can't do dual kits

I don't buy this - Hawks and Banshees could easily be a dual kit. With a bit of creative thinking Scorpions and Dragons could be another. Spiders and Reapers is pretty feasible too.

Hawks and banshees have totally different wargear and current poses.. The current models are great, they're just expensive. If the option for making them plastic is to make them all look generic to one another then I'm going to pass. Banshees are running in their poses usually where as hawks are flying, not to mention the pistol holsters on the banshees.

So .. yeah they could be a dual kit except for the different arms, different torsos, different heads, backpacks, leg poses.. Thats the problem with Aspect warriors. Even Space marines which are basically all the same base model have a staggering number of different kits.

I really hope this is true.

I love Harlies and plastic models are right up there with plastic sob and Arbites for me (hey a man can dream right? ) Every since 6th hit with the BB ally system with DE an CE I have been working on a counts as Harlequin army. I was a bit hopeful after they were not in the DE codex that GW would release a dataslate/supplement etc. I didn't think they would release plastic kits much less new stuff so if this turns out to be true I am going to be one happy fabulously dressed death dealing murder clown

 Accolade wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Which would be lovely, if they weren't also using the system to release stuff which could and should have been part of a codex.

This is where I actually start to feel sorry for GW.

Update codexes with a overhaul + large release every 4-6 years = "My faction hasn't been updated for ages, why do you hate me GW?!?!?"
Smaller releases alongside codexes with subsequent releases/updates to keep things fresh = "That should have been in the codex! GW are screwing us!"
Brand new codex for every race every year = "I just bought that codex and now it's useless after a few months, **** you GW"

They literally cannot win.

Poppycock. GW "can't win" because every new rules release seems to try to bleed you for every dollar they can possibly extract. Looking at stuff like the digital Inquisitor codex for $25 and it reminds me of another user's comparison to the digital products having "gold-plated electrons." The special hard cover-bound books are an even worse.

As soon as they get their rules pricing under control, then GW will easily "win."

Awesome point, aside from the fact that you quoted a post talking about the recent improvement in the release cycle to mention some random gripe about the price of a something released last year. Next time I'm posting in the Tyranid tactics thread I'll be sure to watch out for your insightful points on how to best to use Land Raiders.

That aside, my wallet is still bleeding from those recent Toxicrene and Zoanthrope rules releases. Man were they expensive.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Anyone referring to "polished presentation" in the context of GW DLC hasn't experienced the eye molestation that is EPub Codexes IMO.

Well, that has more to do with the constraints of the ePub format. It's basically one long HTML file with in-line images. The "eye molestation" has more to do with the eBook application you're using and less to do with the ePub itself. ePubs have higher resolution images than a White Dwarf and the text can be copy/pasted and the font can be changed.

I prefer the ePubs because they're easier to work with. You can change the [whatever filename].epub to [whatever filename].zip and Unzip the file. This leaves you with folders of HTML files and images. I can then copy and paste and do whatever I want with the files. This can't be done with the physical codex or the iBooks Interactive Editions.

Fancy layout is more or less impossible with an ePub as the author doesn't know the font, font size, page size, margin size, etc. These factors are all controlled by the reader. If you're a savvy eBook user, then you can make a really nice layout for yourself.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Anyone referring to "polished presentation" in the context of GW DLC hasn't experienced the eye molestation that is EPub Codexes IMO.

Indeed, the e-pubs look fething terrible. Maybe the products for Apple devices look better, I dunno, but I'm not an Apple guy and never will be. People can laugh all they want about how I refuse to "embrace the digital age" but I still very much prefer physical rulebooks for tabletop gaming, and those few e-pubs I've bought from GW have only strengthened that preference.

 xttz wrote:
That aside, my wallet is still bleeding from those recent Toxicrene and Zoanthrope rules releases. Man were they expensive.

Good point. Although personally, I would argue that those are the exception, not the rule.

And while it's surprising to me that they didn't, they could have very easily made the Shield of Baal supplement the only source for the new rules, and if the entire release hadn't caught most people off guard in the first place, it would have been expected.

 Kriswall wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Anyone referring to "polished presentation" in the context of GW DLC hasn't experienced the eye molestation that is EPub Codexes IMO.

Well, that has more to do with the constraints of the ePub format. It's basically one long HTML file with in-line images. The "eye molestation" has more to do with the eBook application you're using and less to do with the ePub itself. ePubs have higher resolution images than a White Dwarf and the text can be copy/pasted and the font can be changed.

I prefer the ePubs because they're easier to work with. You can change the [whatever filename].epub to [whatever filename].zip and Unzip the file. This leaves you with folders of HTML files and images. I can then copy and paste and do whatever I want with the files. This can't be done with the physical codex or the iBooks Interactive Editions.

Fancy layout is more or less impossible with an ePub as the author doesn't know the font, font size, page size, margin size, etc. These factors are all controlled by the reader. If you're a savvy eBook user, then you can make a really nice layout for yourself.

Oh! Right! So I pay for the thing and then spend time and effort making it better?

I might glue little pieces of plastic together and paint them for a pastime, but I'm not prepared to do the same for my rules! If it isn't possible to make a decent product within the constraints of the method they're using, then they've chosen the wrong method. If it isn't possible to make a decent product within the constraints of the technology available, then now isn't the time to be producing those things.

The iBooks versions are better, but seeing as they carry a premium, it would be pretty inexcusable if they didn't show an improvement.

I've also tried multiple e-readers on different platforms, and the files still all look like gak, so I'm dubious whether it would make any difference.

As much as I agree that, in principle, a digital platform does allow for a more flexible approach to rules, it has, in the main, been yet another "great idea, fethed up the execution" affair from GW. Putting aside the presentation, let's not forget they've also failed to update the DLC at the same rate as other formats, leading to two, or even three, official publications in existence with different rules versions.

Digital releases would be an awesome thing in the hands of a company that wanted to drive success by making a quality product, but in the hands of GW circa 2014 it just seems to be used as a way of further driving revenue out of the loyal customers and cutting independent retailers out of the loop. Rather than being celebrated for promoting diversity and variety in the game, it attracts criticism for fragmentation and money grabbing. Now, some of that will be a product of GW's already poor image in many people's eyes, but when mainstays of past codexes disappear from the core book and then pop up as DLC shortly after in some form or another, it is difficult to not see that criticism as partially justify.

Now, to bring all that back on topic, I'm not an Eldar player, but as a 40K fan, I think the game is better with Harlequins in it, even if they're not good in game, they're an iconic piece of the background, and a plastic kit assures us they'll remain around for a good while and not be marginalised and phased out when nobody's looking, but I'd much prefer if there was at least an option of a physical book.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Anyone referring to "polished presentation" in the context of GW DLC hasn't experienced the eye molestation that is EPub Codexes IMO.

Well, that has more to do with the constraints of the ePub format. It's basically one long HTML file with in-line images. The "eye molestation" has more to do with the eBook application you're using and less to do with the ePub itself. ePubs have higher resolution images than a White Dwarf and the text can be copy/pasted and the font can be changed.

I prefer the ePubs because they're easier to work with. You can change the [whatever filename].epub to [whatever filename].zip and Unzip the file. This leaves you with folders of HTML files and images. I can then copy and paste and do whatever I want with the files. This can't be done with the physical codex or the iBooks Interactive Editions.

Fancy layout is more or less impossible with an ePub as the author doesn't know the font, font size, page size, margin size, etc. These factors are all controlled by the reader. If you're a savvy eBook user, then you can make a really nice layout for yourself.

Oh! Right! So I pay for the thing and then spend time and effort making it better?

I might glue little pieces of plastic together and paint them for a pastime, but I'm not prepared to do the same for my rules! If it isn't possible to make a decent product within the constraints of the method they're using, then they've chosen the wrong method. If it isn't possible to make a decent product within the constraints of the technology available, then now isn't the time to be producing those things.

The iBooks versions are better, but seeing as they carry a premium, it would be pretty inexcusable if they didn't show an improvement.

I've also tried multiple e-readers on different platforms, and the files still all look like gak, so I'm dubious whether it would make any difference.

As much as I agree that, in principle, a digital platform does allow for a more flexible approach to rules, it has, in the main, been yet another "great idea, fethed up the execution" affair from GW. Putting aside the presentation, let's not forget they've also failed to update the DLC at the same rate as other formats, leading to two, or even three, official publications in existence with different rules versions.

Digital releases would be an awesome thing in the hands of a company that wanted to drive success by making a quality product, but in the hands of GW circa 2014 it just seems to be used as a way of further driving revenue out of the loyal customers and cutting independent retailers out of the loop. Rather than being celebrated for promoting diversity and variety in the game, it attracts criticism for fragmentation and money grabbing. Now, some of that will be a product of GW's already poor image in many people's eyes, but when mainstays of past codexes disappear from the core book and then pop up as DLC shortly after in some form or another, it is difficult to not see that criticism as partially justify.

Now, to bring all that back on topic, I'm not an Eldar player, but as a 40K fan, I think the game is better with Harlequins in it, even if they're not good in game, they're an iconic piece of the background, and a plastic kit assures us they'll remain around for a good while and not be marginalised and phased out when nobody's looking, but I'd much prefer if there was at least an option of a physical book.

To each his own. I don't like paying for the hard back, embossed cover, glossy paper, full color monstrosities that GW has been publishing lately. I just want the text of the rules. ePubs give me that. ePubs are also the cheapest option available.

My hobby extends to the rules. I like to "mix and match" and make custom Codexes using the standard rules and pictures for my ally heavy armies. If you're hobby doesn't extend to the rules and background, that's fine... but it doesn't invalidate my enjoyment.

There are vast groups of gamers who find the idea of buying a game and THEN having to assemble the pieces to be utterly ridiculous. How much we're willing to do is a sliding scale.

Do you know what else wouldn't invalidate your enjoyment?

Digital format books that didn't look like gak.

It would make things nicer for the rest of us though!

 Azreal13 wrote:
Do you know what else wouldn't invalidate your enjoyment?

Digital format books that didn't look like gak.

It would make things nicer for the rest of us though!

It's a limitation of the ePub format. If you want nicer digital format for the major releases, buy an iPad. I bought one. I consider it a hobby expense and spent several months worth of hobby budget on it. If you can afford GW products, you can easily afford a low end iPad. They start as low as 249 USD.

I recognize that different people enjoy different things and have different aesthetic values. I would appreciate if you did the same. The eBooks look bad TO YOU. They don't look bad TO ME. And based on the fact that Black Library is selling a ton of them... others must not mind either.

To bring things back on topic...

If a plastic Harlequin box IS in the cards, I hope the go the route of the smaller Codexes like Legion of the Damned and offer a limited detachment. I'd hate to have to take these guys in rigidly laid out Formations.

 xttz wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Which would be lovely, if they weren't also using the system to release stuff which could and should have been part of a codex.

This is where I actually start to feel sorry for GW.

Update codexes with a overhaul + large release every 4-6 years = "My faction hasn't been updated for ages, why do you hate me GW?!?!?"
Smaller releases alongside codexes with subsequent releases/updates to keep things fresh = "That should have been in the codex! GW are screwing us!"
Brand new codex for every race every year = "I just bought that codex and now it's useless after a few months, **** you GW"

They literally cannot win.

Poppycock. GW "can't win" because every new rules release seems to try to bleed you for every dollar they can possibly extract. Looking at stuff like the digital Inquisitor codex for $25 and it reminds me of another user's comparison to the digital products having "gold-plated electrons." The special hard cover-bound books are an even worse.

As soon as they get their rules pricing under control, then GW will easily "win."

Awesome point, aside from the fact that you quoted a post talking about the recent improvement in the release cycle to mention some random gripe about the price of a something released last year. Next time I'm posting in the Tyranid tactics thread I'll be sure to watch out for your insightful points on how to best to use Land Raiders.

That aside, my wallet is still bleeding from those recent Toxicrene and Zoanthrope rules releases. Man were they expensive.

Good job entirely missing the point- I was trying to be pleasant with the "poppycock" comment, but it seems like Tom Kirby is your close uncle for feeling the need to attack me personally.

As Sidstyer pointed out, the free unit rules have generally been the exception; almost all of them cost a lot for what minimal rule content they contain. Nobody complained about these free rule releases- it was a universally praised idea and was hoped to be a trend. But with GW, sale strategy changes constantly and there is little consistency with releases. The free rules for the new units are contrasted against the dataslates that together cost as much as the Tyranid book itself.

Furthermore, I think it would have been very hard for GW to sell dataslates for these brand-new kits. Most of the time dataslates represent rules for already existing models, since you theoretically just need to buy the rules (or feel obligated since you have the kits).

GW can win. Their business decisions just prevent that from happening as much as it could.

I own an iPad.

I appreciate people have different aesthetic values and enjoy different things, but I would like you to appreciate that your interests are niche within niche and for most people the epubs are unattractive and clunky to use.

I would be interested to see where you got your info about BL selling a lot of them, because I've not seen any breakdown detailing the unit sales, and last I checked BL were a comparatively minor contributor to GW's overall revenue, which itself is declining.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I would be interested to see where you got your info about BL selling a lot of them, because I've not seen any breakdown detailing the unit sales, and last I checked BL were a comparatively minor contributor to GW's overall revenue, which itself is declining.

FW and BL combined make up 9% of GW's revenue. There are no more detailed numbers available.

Dear Sirs, could we keep this kind of offtopic discussion about DLC and GW's new approach to releasing rules out off this topic? Please As soon as there are WD leaks everyone can decide if he prints those out, or buys the mag, or buys a not yet rumored book or downloads the rules from the BL website and prints them. You can also keep all those files on a tablet/phone and take them with you

Nice one

 Kriswall wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Do you know what else wouldn't invalidate your enjoyment?

Digital format books that didn't look like gak.

It would make things nicer for the rest of us though!

It's a limitation of the ePub format. If you want nicer digital format for the major releases, buy an iPad. I bought one. I consider it a hobby expense and spent several months worth of hobby budget on it. If you can afford GW products, you can easily afford a low end iPad. They start as low as 249 USD.

I recognize that different people enjoy different things and have different aesthetic values. I would appreciate if you did the same. The eBooks look bad TO YOU. They don't look bad TO ME. And based on the fact that Black Library is selling a ton of them... others must not mind either.

To bring things back on topic...

If a plastic Harlequin box IS in the cards, I hope the go the route of the smaller Codexes like Legion of the Damned and offer a limited detachment. I'd hate to have to take these guys in rigidly laid out Formations.

Sorry, no, that's not an excuse. If the ePub format is gak(and it is gak), the solution is not to tell the customer(who you supposedly want to spend their money on your products) to go out and buy some overpriced electronics device, it's to use a better format.

GW could easily provide the non-iPish digital products in PDF format by simply exporting from the digital files they send to their printers to create the physical copies, they choose not to.

PDFs tend to look like absolutely unreadable garbage on an average electronic ink eBook reader. They look great on computers and tablets, but terrible on eBook readers.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
As many many other threads have said, the main issue is that aspect warriors can't do dual kits

I don't buy this - Hawks and Banshees could easily be a dual kit. With a bit of creative thinking Scorpions and Dragons could be another. Spiders and Reapers is pretty feasible too.

Hawks and banshees have totally different wargear and current poses.. The current models are great, they're just expensive. If the option for making them plastic is to make them all look generic to one another then I'm going to pass. Banshees are running in their poses usually where as hawks are flying, not to mention the pistol holsters on the banshees.

So .. yeah they could be a dual kit except for the different arms, different torsos, different heads, backpacks, leg poses.. Thats the problem with Aspect warriors. Even Space marines which are basically all the same base model have a staggering number of different kits.

Basically that's what they would be, not unlike the Sisters of Avelorn/ Shadow Warriors box. one box two very different looking units. i dont care if 2 different aspects have the same legs.

As for harlequin im sure a plastic kit will look great, but I wont get them. Seems like a high cost outlay (cad/molds) for a very specialized unit when aspect warriors will always sell. I would have much rather had plastic aspect warriors.

 Kriswall wrote:
PDFs tend to look like absolutely unreadable garbage on an average electronic ink eBook reader. They look great on computers and tablets, but terrible on eBook readers.

Why on earth would you be using an ebook reader, a device designed explicitly to display text-only documents in the same style as a paper novel, to view a supposedly-high res rulebook full of pictures? Anyway, "buy a tablet then, sheesh " was good enough advice when you were giving it, now suddenly GW should be catering to people to the extent they should use an inferior product just in case someone wants to view it on a completely inappropriate device?

 xttz wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Which would be lovely, if they weren't also using the system to release stuff which could and should have been part of a codex.

This is where I actually start to feel sorry for GW.

Update codexes with a overhaul + large release every 4-6 years = "My faction hasn't been updated for ages, why do you hate me GW?!?!?"
Smaller releases alongside codexes with subsequent releases/updates to keep things fresh = "That should have been in the codex! GW are screwing us!"
Brand new codex for every race every year = "I just bought that codex and now it's useless after a few months, **** you GW"

They literally cannot win.

The reason they can't win is because they don't put the effort in to actually releasing balanced rules for a reasonable price.

"My faction hasn't been updated for ages, why do you hate me GW?!?!?"

People are unhappy their codices haven't been updated because if you get a crap codex then you're stuck with it agggges, even a good codex usually doesn't stand the test of time and will be outclassed or unbalanced when new editions roll around.

"That should have been in the codex! GW are screwing us!"

Wouldn't be a problem if new codices were more than overpriced rewrites, often with things removed.

"I just bought that codex and now it's useless after a few months, **** you GW"

Wouldn't be a problem if the codices were more reasonably priced.

GW can win, they just can't win when every approach they can take comes with a spoonful of anti-customer excrement.

Games Workshop could make this a multi-troop box set. It would depend on how far back into the rules and fluff they want to go. Back in the Citadel Journal #44 (2001) there were rules for mimes and there leader a mimic.

“Mimes have a specialized role with the Masque. As scouts and infiltrators they race ahead of a Harlequin force, flipping and skipping, setting ambushes and harrying the enemy.
They are also spies and information gathers, using their formidable skills in disguise and mimicry to infiltrate into enemy garrisons and command bunkers to steal valuable information on enemy troop movements and deployments.”

The other thing is how they want to do the characters. Will they be released as separate clamshell packs or as individual parts on the sprue. The Shadowseer, Great Harlequin, and Solitaire (if he finds his way back to the troupe) I would like to see as clam packs. The Death Jesters, Warlocks, troupe, and troupe leaders I think should be on a multi-part sprue.

It would be nice if there was going to be a new jet bike, but I think they will put upgrade parts on the sprue (like in the new wracks) for one of the two bikes, venom, and maybe the viper. Although if they did do a new bike they could have enough parts for craftworld, harlequin, and shining spear.

This is all assuming that they will make the harlequins a standalone army list.

Well, I played several games using the old Harlequin codex written by Gav Thorpe.
Fun to play. The core has been Harlies on foot or in Venoms, Mimes infiltrating, Harlies on Jetbikes.

An the Aspect warriors front, I would much rather they simply re-release the pewter versions. Even at 20+ years old, the 2nd edition sculpts are awesome and hold up. GW claims their dropping of metal was due to rising prices on pewter, but then how do any of the other companies survive when that's all they deal in?

Well, it's a more or less useless effort to release Harlies in plastic as long as they are unplayable.

Am I the only eldar player that couldn't care less about this? I want exodites and new aspect warrior sculpts. In all the eldar groups I'm a member of, those 2 things are wish listed daily. I've never really seen anyone begging for harlequins.

I would prefer Exodites first too myself. It would cover the other major split of the Eldar race. We currently have lists for Craftworlds, Dark Eldar, Corsairs (from FW), so may as well do the Exodites, then Harlequins after.

Why Exodites first? They have more opportunity to have big creatures (and have been shown to have this in the BL novels) such as Carnosaurs or Pteranadons. They even had prototype Epic scale models with mounted guns on these dinosaurs. So the Exodites have a way of dealing with enemy vehicles and superheavies.

Harlequins by contrast have always been described as wandering ninja space clowns basically. While they are described as deadly in close combat, they have not been described as being accompanied with much in the way of heavier machinery. While zipping around on jetbikes and using Haywire grenades might work to some extent, it would require a major expansion of the fluff if the Harlequins were to get more stuff to enable them to deal with all the super heavy war machines other factions are using these days. I see the Harlequins right now as more like a Legion of the Damned supplement expansion than a full fledged Codex in their own right.

they have not been described as being accompanied with much in the way of heavier machinery.

Are you sure about that? GW will surely be able to accommodate by making a giant HarleKnight.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
An the Aspect warriors front, I would much rather they simply re-release the pewter versions. Even at 20+ years old, the 2nd edition sculpts are awesome and hold up. GW claims their dropping of metal was due to rising prices on pewter, but then how do any of the other companies survive when that's all they deal in?

Other companies? There is only GW in this hobby.

 Absolutionis wrote:

they have not been described as being accompanied with much in the way of heavier machinery.

Are you sure about that? GW will surely be able to accommodate by making a giant HarleKnight.

Hence why I said Harlequins would need a major fluff expansion to justify any sudden new heavy war machines they get. The heaviest stuff they have been described with is in the unofficial Harlequin Codex in Citadel Journal by Gav Thorpe, and that was basically a Venom and Wraithlord equivalent. Even that has its problems fluffwise since Harlequins are supposed to not use any spirit stones since they are protected against Slaanesh by the Laughing God, so how would they have anything to pilot the Wraithlord with?

Iracundus wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

they have not been described as being accompanied with much in the way of heavier machinery.

Are you sure about that? GW will surely be able to accommodate by making a giant HarleKnight.

Hence why I said Harlequins would need a major fluff expansion to justify any sudden new heavy war machines they get. The heaviest stuff they have been described with is in the unofficial Harlequin Codex in Citadel Journal by Gav Thorpe, and that was basically a Venom and Wraithlord equivalent. Even that has its problems fluffwise since Harlequins are supposed to not use any spirit stones since they are protected against Slaanesh by the Laughing God, so how would they have anything to pilot the Wraithlord with?

Correct.

The release is probably aimed at giving Harlies plastic models and not at giving them new or expanded rules.

It's been a very long time since I've played Eldar, but I would be super excited to see a new codex come out for it.

As far as dataslates go, I wish sometime after any particular WD went out of print I wish that the exclusive rules published in it got ported to ePub or iBook and put on Black Library. Does anyone know what WD the looted wagon, Gerantius, etc. were in? Without figuring out what WD issue the unit in question was in and then tracking down a copy of it, there is no way to use some eligible units.

The iBooks store has all of the old white dwarf issues in digital form, so you would just have to look through there

 Rygnan wrote:
The iBooks store has all of the old white dwarf issues in digital form, so you would just have to look through there

But what about all the people, like me, who don't have apple devices?

OomieCrusha wrote:

 Rygnan wrote:
The iBooks store has all of the old white dwarf issues in digital form, so you would just have to look through there

But what about all the people, like me, who don't have apple devices?

Common mistake for some unknown reason.

You need an apple device to view the Interactive Editions sold on iTunes/iBooks. The White Dwarf mags as well as the vast majority of Dataslates aren't sold in this format. They are sold as eBooks.

You don't need an apple device to read an eBook. You need either a tablet to read it on the go, or a computer with which to open and print it. There are numerous free eBook reader programs out there. I use Calibre. It's kind of like iTunes, but for books.

In any case, the White Dwarf you are looking for is this one...

http://www.blacklibrary.com/whitedwarf/white-dwarf-issue-21.html

Buy it for 4 USD and you'll be able to use it on literally any computer or tablet that has been sold for the past decade.

Perhaps somebody could make a GW digital thread and discuss that stuff over there?

We don't even know how or if the Harlequin rules are going to be released so lets keep the discussion focused on the these wonderful death clowns for now....or let the thread go silent until there is more news.

 Toofast wrote:
Am I the only eldar player that couldn't care less about this? I want exodites and new aspect warrior sculpts. In all the eldar groups I'm a member of, those 2 things are wish listed daily. I've never really seen anyone begging for harlequins.

Yep, shed the Finecast aspects at least.

I wonder if the new harlies are going to be a direct resin-> plastic conversion, ala the DE Wracks.

 Accolade wrote:
I wonder if the new harlies are going to be a direct resin-> plastic conversion, ala the DE Wracks.

I hope they convert them to plastic as well as they did the wracks. I made the mistake of buying Finecast wracks, and then bought plastic ones. A definite several steps up in quality with the plastic.

 Accolade wrote:
I wonder if the new harlies are going to be a direct resin-> plastic conversion, ala the DE Wracks.

I would be ok with this. I really like the current Harlies sculpts.

It's the character clampacks that I am most interested in. I am really hoping for a Solitaire.

Love those tricky harlequins but they are a nightmare to paint well. Lovely models but it's the tricky check pattern puts me off!

Iracundus wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

they have not been described as being accompanied with much in the way of heavier machinery.

Are you sure about that? GW will surely be able to accommodate by making a giant HarleKnight.

Hence why I said Harlequins would need a major fluff expansion to justify any sudden new heavy war machines they get. The heaviest stuff they have been described with is in the unofficial Harlequin Codex in Citadel Journal by Gav Thorpe, and that was basically a Venom and Wraithlord equivalent. Even that has its problems fluffwise since Harlequins are supposed to not use any spirit stones since they are protected against Slaanesh by the Laughing God, so how would they have anything to pilot the Wraithlord with?

Definitely. They have never been anything more than enigmatic allies of Craftworld Eldar, coming and going as they please. The only way I could ever see them as a force operating on their own would be in Kill-Team sized games. They operate even more like light raiders than the Dark Eldar, which is saying something. The only way they ever had heavy vehicles is back in the crazy days of Rogue Trader, when they could loot other armies vehicles, and that never made sense, even then.

 Accolade wrote:
I wonder if the new harlies are going to be a direct resin-> plastic conversion, ala the DE Wracks.

If so, maybe they'll include an optional crew for the Venom like in the Wracks kit.

If I were to start a Xenos army, it is a toss-up between the Tau(would model them after stuff from Gundam) or the Harlequins (would model them after the Joker and Harley Quinn). Hard to say, I love the idea of a Joker army though. Lots of purple and green and black, red, and white incoming!

How cool the Harlequins were was one of the things that drew me into 40K in the long ago.


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 AegisGrimm wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:

they have not been described as being accompanied with much in the way of heavier machinery.

Are you sure about that? GW will surely be able to accommodate by making a giant HarleKnight.

Hence why I said Harlequins would need a major fluff expansion to justify any sudden new heavy war machines they get. The heaviest stuff they have been described with is in the unofficial Harlequin Codex in Citadel Journal by Gav Thorpe, and that was basically a Venom and Wraithlord equivalent. Even that has its problems fluffwise since Harlequins are supposed to not use any spirit stones since they are protected against Slaanesh by the Laughing God, so how would they have anything to pilot the Wraithlord with?

Definitely. They have never been anything more than enigmatic allies of Craftworld Eldar, coming and going as they please. The only way I could ever see them as a force operating on their own would be in Kill-Team sized games. They operate even more like light raiders than the Dark Eldar, which is saying something. The only way they ever had heavy vehicles is back in the crazy days of Rogue Trader, when they could loot other armies vehicles, and that never made sense, even then.

The story where they had captured Imperial robots painted up and dancing towards battle with the Imperial lines.

They also stole the Star Leopards Land Raider.

I would love to see a full release of plastic, multi-pose Harlies with their own Codex/Supplement.

I mostly just want new plastic jet bikes... it's at least half the reason I haven't started an Eldar army yet.

I still have a Rhino painted in Harlequin Colours

I am VERY excited about this. I have 3,500 points of Alaitoc Eldar...and a Kill Team of the metal Rogue Trader Harlequins...

The first pictures of the Aspect Warriors was what got me into 40K....WAAAAAYYYY back in 1991...man...those were the days...

There is news

Darnok has confirmed plastic harlequins are the next 40k release after Necrons

Darnok on Warseer

Originally Posted by mashkeyboardgetusername

Sort of on-topic (on the basis that a lot of you will laugh at it) faeit/natfka is saying that there's going to be an AdMech/Skitarii army for 40k coming soon, before Harlequins supposedly. Have any of the reliable rumourmongers on here heard anything about this? I'm taking it with lots of salt at the moment...

I haven't heard about it actually, but either way: it is not happening before Harlequins.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7344982&viewfull=1#post7344982



Also Duffybear1988 (a solid source regarding to other Warseer forum members) has posted the following info

My friend has some of the new harlequin sprues and some fantasy stuff that's yet to be released as well! I'm going to see if I can get pics or more details, but he hasn't mentioned jetbikes at all so either they aren't coming out or he doesn't have those bits.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7344940&viewfull=1#post7344940

More news -

6 figures included on the sprue (possibly one is a venom crewman).
No seer or jester on the sprue my source has.
Masks are separate to heads and there are far more masks than needed.
Lots of swords/blades for various poses.
Nearly all are in dynamic leaping/dancing poses on Eldar ruins.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7345095&viewfull=1#post7345095

Sounds good cheers for this Warhams

exciting! Hopefully lots of conversion possibilities. It'll be interesting to see the Eldar ruins bases too

If they come with some rules allowing you to add them as a detachment a la LotD then I think I'll be in for a box, pending models and price. If nothing else, I can have an excuse to quote the Joker throughout the games. "Why. So. Serious?"

God I can't wait to do some DE conversions with these if it pans out!!

 Paradigm wrote:
If they come with some rules allowing you to add them as a detachment a la LotD then I think I'll be in for a box, pending models and price. If nothing else, I can have an excuse to quote the Joker throughout the games. "Why. So. Serious?"

Why would they come with rules when GW knows people will pay for rules separately.. Although new models are quite welcome.

 Paradigm wrote:
If they come with some rules allowing you to add them as a detachment a la LotD then I think I'll be in for a box, pending models and price. If nothing else, I can have an excuse to quote the Joker throughout the games. "Why. So. Serious?"

hrhr "Just dancing on your troopers' faces"

 Kirasu wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
If they come with some rules allowing you to add them as a detachment a la LotD then I think I'll be in for a box, pending models and price. If nothing else, I can have an excuse to quote the Joker throughout the games. "Why. So. Serious?"

Why would they come with rules when GW knows people will pay for rules separately.. Although new models are quite welcome.

Sorry, I meant 'if they are released with rules' rather than suggesting they'd be included in the box.

Those rules will be leaked early enough, I shall copy the pic or save the text, and I'm ready to go.

This would be awesome as it would allow me to make use of my THIRTY-ONE old metal Harlequin jetbikes.

That's a lot

And what a great canopy painting going up to the handle bar Good color choices and really well executed

 Fifty wrote:
This would be awesome as it would allow me to make use of my THIRTY-ONE old metal Harlequin jetbikes.

I salute you good sir for this awesome feat

What edition and rules did you use your 31 jetbikes for?

3ed harlequin codex? Counts as craftworld/Dark Eldar?

I have that model, and 20 metal Harlequins that have been sitting in a box for a LONG time...Last time I played them as an army, it was with the "experimental" codex....

I remember the first time I saw a Harlequin army...about 10 of them and a crazy Land Raider. That was Rogue Trader, though!

Now, I use a Troupe as a Kill Team....mean....

Unfortunately I have found that frag missiles & flamers seemed to have been designed for 'quins :(
(is their save still a cover save or is it an inv?)

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 Fifty wrote:
This would be awesome as it would allow me to make use of my THIRTY-ONE old metal Harlequin jetbikes.

I salute you good sir for this awesome feat

What edition and rules did you use your 31 jetbikes for?

3ed harlequin codex? Counts as craftworld/Dark Eldar?

Never once actually used them in a game. I bought them all with the intent of using them with a custom codex and/or persuading opponents to simply let me buy jetbikes at 12-15 points each for regular unit. Never got around to it though. They are sitting in a model case in my parents' loft. I estimate the case has a value of £500-750!

That's a shame (the fact they have never been played not the fact that it's a briefcase full of money now )

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, it's a more or less useless effort to release Harlies in plastic as long as they are unplayable.

Pretty much this. Harlequins are the *worst* unit in the Eldar codex for their points. They need a complete overhaul or else this release will be for nothing.

mercury14 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, it's a more or less useless effort to release Harlies in plastic as long as they are unplayable.

Pretty much this. Harlequins are the *worst* unit in the Eldar codex for their points. They need a complete overhaul or else this release will be for nothing.

The Assassins got a complete re-work for their rules recently.

But, I agree with you 100%. Hopefully this release will change their rules up so they can be good again

I'm not going to wishlist for the harlies, but, wait, yeah, I'll wishlist.

Points cost reduction! Because, you know, standard points creep.

Some kind of overwatch-negating ability would be excellent - especially if they get access to a venom.

I love and take harlies anyway because I like them; but those changes, combined with rumours of jetbikes?

So badly would like to start a 750 point list of them. 10 Harlies, 2 x 5 harlies in venoms, jetbikes, characters?

Throw in dark reapers? I don't care about unbound.

Please GW, if I can't have corsairs, lessen the blow...

jbelgian wrote:
Please GW, if I can't have corsairs, lessen the blow...

Corsairs totally have Forge World rules and you can run them in 7thEd. Nothing is stopping you.

Nothing is stopping you

Really? I can use those rules in standard games?


Awesome!


Nice to learn something new. Fairly new into the hobby, haven't forayed into forge world outside of looking at models and thinking 'damn that's nice.'

jbelgian wrote:

Nothing is stopping you

Really? I can use those rules in standard games?


Awesome!


Nice to learn something new. Fairly new into the hobby, haven't forayed into forge world outside of looking at models and thinking 'damn that's nice.'

So long as your opponent doesn't disallow you, sure. Many tournaments (lol, tournaments) tend to specifically disallow Forge World, though. Then again, some venues to go against the rulebook and disallow Unbound armies. It depends on the opponent, the place, and how much they want to house rule their own variant of 40k.

Worst case, you can just use the Corsair models as Guardians.

I already have a small eldar and dark eldar army, it would be nice to bridge the gap with the coolest of the eldar.

Sounds like a plan, didn't realise it was quite so simple in terms of just using forge world rules.

I literally only play with a handful of people, I'm sure they wouldn't mind, I'd be doing it for the fluff more than any potential troll-y/spammy combos.

Thanks!


In the meantime, though, I would still love a harlequin book.

I look forward to new rules.
New models are great too, but rules are more important.

I have a complete army of still unpainted metal and resin harlequins including a dozen original harlequin jetbikes that are waiting for a LONG time now...
Because after 1st edition they had no decent rules anymore and i had no reason to paint them.
Or more accurately: more reasons to paint other things.

Beside the troupe (with troupe master, shadowseer, death jester) I hope for the return of the solitair, the mimes, HQ characters and Harlequin jetbikes.

If we get those, i might just drop everything else and get started on my Harlequin army.

Here's me hoping...

Pictures or it didn't happen...

I guess its sure that harlis are coming...

I'm damn excited! I heard 3 clampacks and a box but no jetbikes. Is that the general consensus?

The 'new rumors' appearing on BOLS during the last days about harlequin rules, including weapon and vehicle options etc, are not from solid sources There is wishlisting all over them. We will see Necrons with a new Codex on Jan 31 and Harlequins afterwards, in February or March. There is no solid rumor about a Harlequin Codex, just BOLS making stuff up at the moment. Darnok is a much trusted rumor poster and his credibility well deserved after several years of quality control. He knows what he is doing. So do others like Lords of Wargaming, Hastings and Arthurius11. To seperate the crappy from the solid ones, Pretre's tracker helps a lot. Be patient, ignore BOLS and Faeit until after Necs (both sites usually get better shortly before releases) and don't expect much news about Harlequins before mid of February


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Troupe models, jetbikes and clampack characters are the original rumor from Darnok's source

Soo is it fair to say this thread is ready for the padlock treatment? At least til we get something more concrete and less BoLS-sand-like?

Yeah, I don't trust these or the AdMech rumors at all. We haven't had this level of detailed information (units, weapons, rules, etc) about a release this far in advance in a very long time. These rumors just don't fit with the rumor cycle we've experienced in the past months.

This is super exciting! Always liked their aesthetic!

Ahh, this rumor brings nice memories back.


I had a blast painting my 2001 Dark Harlequin Project, even made it in WD 259...
See: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/dark_harlequins.html


Some good new Harlequins might even get me back into painting some Eldar...

angelofvengeance wrote:Soo is it fair to say this thread is ready for the padlock treatment? At least til we get something more concrete and less BoLS-sand-like?

No. It is fun to discuss these things until there is better information. I am careful specifically with rumors like the latest that came from BOLS - everyone can easily make this up by browsing through the White Dwarfs or the Warhammer 40,000 Compendium of old and will end with rumors like that. There was nothing original in those two posts - just a rehash of the 1st ed rules and some guesses thrown in like the transport options (with strange choices like the razorwing). I will continue to add everything that does not sound too fishy to the original post to keep this thread updated

rollawaythestone wrote:Yeah, I don't trust these or the AdMech rumors at all. We haven't had this level of detailed information (units, weapons, rules, etc) about a release this far in advance in a very long time. These rumors just don't fit with the rumor cycle we've experienced in the past months.

Exactly We can currently see that with Necrons. Not much is known about the rules changes - if anything. Only a few years ago many new rules would have been already leaked so close to release - from sources turning out correct. GW's new policy regarding rules leaks is working well


@AAN Your Eldar stuff (among other projects) is ace, Agis, I still remember it well

 AAN wrote:
Ahh, this rumor brings nice memories back.


I had a blast painting my 2001 Dark Harlequin Project, even made it in WD 259...
See: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/dark_harlequins.html


Some good new Harlequins might even get me back into painting some Eldar...

I remember those, awesome work!!! Love those conversions!

Oh baby! This looks sick! http://spikeybitsblog.com/2015/01/last-laugh-harlequin-wraithknight.html

 AAN wrote:
Ahh, this rumor brings nice memories back.


I had a blast painting my 2001 Dark Harlequin Project, even made it in WD 259...
See: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/dark_harlequins.html


Some good new Harlequins might even get me back into painting some Eldar...

When I saw these it reminded me of a DE force I saw on CMoN several years ago before the 5th ed DE dex dropped.

I was searching for Harley pics at the time

Now I realize it is the same models and you had the same Avatar. How funny.

Great work dude!! That was a project!

 Skerr wrote:
When I saw these it reminded me of a DE force I saw on CMoN several years ago before the 5th ed DE dex dropped.

I was searching for Harley pics at the time

Now I realize it is the same models and you had the same Avatar. How funny.

Great work dude!! That was a project!

LOL, yes indeed it is always the same people...

My old DE Harlequins minis are now all sold, maybe some new releases will spark my interest again.

As Darnok was spot-on with the pre-order date for the new Necron Codex (correctly rumored in December already), there is a good chance plastic Harlequin models will be the next 40k release like he predicted as well. The finecast Harlequin minis are already marked as sold out on the GW UK webshop

Archibald_TK found this on the last page of the upcoming Necron White Dwarf issue (#52)

End of the Necron WD refers for the following week to "Dance of Death".

Source: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?403593-A-Laugh-For-Christmas&p=7362142&viewfull=1#post7362142

This sounds a lot like Harlequins in issue 53 - probably with pre-orders for the first miniatures on January 30

Well that certainly puts the crimp on other New Necron figures.

Definately looking forward to this release, most of my current armies are grimdark in painting, if the models accompanying the harlequin release are cool it'll be a fantastic chance to splash some colour around.

 AAN wrote:

 Skerr wrote:
When I saw these it reminded me of a DE force I saw on CMoN several years ago before the 5th ed DE dex dropped.

I was searching for Harley pics at the time

Now I realize it is the same models and you had the same Avatar. How funny.

Great work dude!! That was a project!

LOL, yes indeed it is always the same people...

My old DE Harlequins minis are now all sold, maybe some new releases will spark my interest again.

They were really cool dude.

migooo wrote:
Well that certainly puts the crimp on other New Necron figures.

Not necessarily.

Very likely it does, yeah, but I could see the Cryptek being held back to release the second week.

 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:
Well that certainly puts the crimp on other New Necron figures.

Not necessarily.

Very likely it does, yeah, but I could see the Cryptek being held back to release the second week.

I'm not sure I've seen mixed army releases in a long time. But it be nice to be wrong in my pessimism.

I'm all in on this! Hopefully the Harlie jetbikes rumor pans out and we will have lots of new toys to play with.

If I had to guess about the contents of the blisters, I'd guess a shadowseer and a death jester, and if we are extremely lucky, a high avatar and a solitaire!


Fingers crossed! The 30th can't come soon enough!

 godswildcard wrote:
I'm all in on this! Hopefully the Harlie jetbikes rumor pans out and we will have lots of new toys to play with.

If I had to guess about the contents of the blisters, I'd guess a shadowseer and a death jester, and if we are extremely lucky, a high avatar and a solitaire!


Fingers crossed! The 30th can't come soon enough!

I am actually tempted to get a box. Harlies were one of my mini armies back in 2nd ed, and I would love to have a little force.

I've never seen the old Harley Dex... Who, if we're going by old rules, might they be fun allies for?

I could see myself buying 500-1000pts worth, but the problem is, between the wife and I, we play, various SM/Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Orks, and 'Nids.

It sounds like all of those would be CtA allies.

I'd been more keen on picking up new Harlies if they were still in the DE codex. The thought that I may well need to pick up a new codex is somewhat offputting and cuts down on the impulse purchase factor.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I've never seen the old Harley Dex... Who, if we're going by old rules, might they be fun allies for?

I could see myself buying 500-1000pts worth, but the problem is, between the wife and I, we play, various SM/Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Orks, and 'Nids.

It sounds like all of those would be CtA allies.

Maybe orks as desperate possibly...

 Necroagogo wrote:
I'd been more keen on picking up new Harlies if they were still in the DE codex. The thought that I may well need to pick up a new codex is somewhat offputting and cuts down on the impulse purchase factor.

Sounds like they may be going the route of the Codex Inquisition where they become a stand alone book for purposes of allying but don't actually require CE or C:E to play. Which would also mean that they could be getting different FOC benefits as well.

It'd be a shame if it was just a Codex with one entry (plus the three squad characters). Then again, GW did release a whole book for Knights and Storm Trooper squads, so who knows.

Personally I think it would be a wasted opportunity not to use this release for Soltaires and a few other units (like Harli Jetbikes). And if they were really clever a Harli Jetbike sprue would contain the pilot and gunner to change a DE Venom into a Harli Venom.

So for the 50/50 shot on it being right we have one from Faeit212:

via Steve the Warboss
Harlequin Release Details
-1 Clampack
-2 Box Sets
-First Set is a Jetbike Unit
-Second Set is a Combi for two Infantry Units

Nicely posed jetbikes and some acrobatically posed harlequins would have me spending a significant amount.

This would be a wonderful opportunity for GW to release these minis with a dataslate for at max $10 and allow them to be allied with a couple of different factions.

Sadly, they'll probably be $30+ clampacks with a $50 book to boot (and maybe a "legendary" $100 hardcover book for people who hate money).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It'd be a shame if it was just a Codex with one entry (plus the three squad characters). Then again, GW did release a whole book for Knights and Storm Trooper squads, so who knows.

Personally I think it would be a wasted opportunity not to use this release for Soltaires and a few other units (like Harli Jetbikes). And if they were really clever a Harli Jetbike sprue would contain the pilot and gunner to change a DE Venom into a Harli Venom.

Agreed, I'm praying that this will be all that's been wishlisted. Personally I want the solitaires, and a couple nice open topped transports for harlies, like venoms and raiders. That said, as always, high hopes, zero expectations for quality.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I've never seen the old Harley Dex... Who, if we're going by old rules, might they be fun allies for?

I could see myself buying 500-1000pts worth, but the problem is, between the wife and I, we play, various SM/Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Orks, and 'Nids.

It sounds like all of those would be CtA allies.

Harlies operate in a way that theoretically they can "ally" with almost every single race in the game. For example they might ally with Orks by showing up right before the battle and take out the void shield generators and defensive emplacements allowing the Orks to overrun and kill the defenders. The Ork's never even knew that they were even there but they were greatly aided by their actions.

Harlies have their own agenda and they pursue it as they see fit. Sometimes that means wiping out a Imperial hive world, sometimes it's saving a Space Marine Chapter from the maws of a Hive Fleet. Sometimes they communicate with other races to forge alliances other times they just show up get the job done and leave. Since they are so mobile with their webway portals they can pretty much show up and leave at will and do so quickly.

I doubt GW will write rules to match that but there is a fluff precedent for them being Allies of Convenience with pretty much everybody...expect Chaos seriously feth those guys!

 carabine wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It'd be a shame if it was just a Codex with one entry (plus the three squad characters). Then again, GW did release a whole book for Knights and Storm Trooper squads, so who knows.

Personally I think it would be a wasted opportunity not to use this release for Soltaires and a few other units (like Harli Jetbikes). And if they were really clever a Harli Jetbike sprue would contain the pilot and gunner to change a DE Venom into a Harli Venom.

Agreed, I'm praying that this will be all that's been wishlisted. Personally I want the solitaires, and a couple nice open topped transports for harlies, like venoms and raiders. That said, as always, high hopes, zero expectations for quality.

I'm quite sure I heard that the venom guy is on the infantry sprue

migooo wrote:
I'm quite sure I heard that the venom guy is on the infantry sprue

Yes, I think that was one of the rumours. It'd be the same approach as the recent Dark Eldar wrack sprue, if it is the case.

Looking forward to seeing them, these are deffo potential models i'd buy just to paint up and look pretty, which is something i very rarely do. But always loved the Harlequin imagery.

It's mostly all I do, so I'm extra stoked!

 Apologist wrote:

migooo wrote:
I'm quite sure I heard that the venom guy is on the infantry sprue

Yes, I think that was one of the rumours. It'd be the same approach as the recent Dark Eldar wrack sprue, if it is the case.

Which is probably for the best.

From BoLS:

Multiple tongues are wagging about the Harlequins! Here’s the latest on the next rumored 40K army!
Here’s the latest on the Followers of the Laughing God:

via Steve the Warboss 1-19-2014

Regarding Harlequin Minis

-1 Clampack
-2 Box Sets
-First Set is a Jetbike Unit
-Second Set is a Combi for two Infantry Units

Next factor in the teaser from this week’s white Dwarf with says: “The Dance of Death”

Finally, take a look at how those minis rumors line up with the original set from 2 weeks ago. Not exact, but close enough to see the rumor patterns start to gel.
Harlequin rumors 1-3-2014

Harlequin Release is coming after End Times: Thanquol (unknown if this means immediately afterwards)
Release window is 2 weeks
Release covers, codex, 3 clampacks, 2 minis boxes

Kits described as:

- Seer (clampack)
– Master (clampack)
– Death Jester (clampack)
– Harlequin Troupe
– Harlequin Jetbikes

I would be a shame if those jetbikes aren't a dual kit for craftworld Eldar, or generic enough to be used by both(assuming all that is true of course). They've languished with those old ones for so long.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I would be a shame if those jetbikes aren't a dual kit for craftworld Eldar, or generic enough to be used by both(assuming all that is true of course). They've languished with those old ones for so long.

I agree with you, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

That said, if it were to happen, that to would be all the motivation I need to start a massive Saim-Hann/ Harlequins army.

Instead of, you know, just a massive harlequins army...

The Death Jester by itself is kind of odd..

Ill have to find my Journal with the old army list.

But looking nice it seems ill treat myself to a few bits if true. If not I've not lost anything.

I will be happy with any codex that is harlequin, however I would love to see the Solitare and mimes make a comback... but we shall see. If I can use my metal harlequin jetbikes again I will be happy

I totally agree about hopping that we see Solitares make a comeback.

I just hope the other build are mimes

I may get a use for the 6 of these after all

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I totally agree about hopping that we see Solitares make a comeback.

The BoLS/Natfka guesses are mostly off. If things go as usual, you may see something taking design cues from this leaked on the interwebs this weekend, right after Necron Codex. Troupe Master is part of box, not a clampack.

Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

Holy crap does this mean I might be able to make a Harlequin army?!

Come on Solitaire and Mimes...

If I can make a legit Harlequin army, I'll start playing 40k again

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

We dont have Farseers on bikes unless I missed it. Harlies on bikes would be awesome but farseers and warlocks on bikes would be dream

I would be in favor of dual kits but dont think they will. The model torsos would be diffrent (I think), but hey, if they make them, I will buy them.

I can dust off my Harlequin army after all these years (last I used them was with the 'experimental' codex)...

But I won't believe till I see it.

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Come on Solitaire and Mimes...

Please please let this be true.

The WD preview page

Yup so preorders for the products in said White Dwarf will be up on the 30th.

Exactly

That's as old school as it gets Nice shot

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Come on Solitaire and Mimes...

'Dance of Death' could be Wood Elf Wardancers.

 Ghaz wrote:
'Dance of Death' could be Wood Elf Wardancers.

Yes it could

Oh God, if it is Wardancers I will be shocked...

I've been saying for awhile that Wardancers would be an ideal place for a dual kit with Waywatchers, and if this pans out we could see something interesting.

 Ghaz wrote:
'Dance of Death' could be Wood Elf Wardancers.

Doubtful when WFB is only doing End Times releases.

Could just be pics of Jervis doing the two-step instead

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
'Dance of Death' could be Wood Elf Wardancers.

Doubtful when WFB is only doing End Times releases.

Not true.

They're doing a combination of End Times and gapfiller releases. The first set of releases for End Times were Nagash, his Mortarchs, the Morghast, and new Spirit Hosts. The second were pretty much all End Times. The third book had nothing released, period, with it which was disappointing for Elf players. Thanquol just saw a combination of End Times releases which were more in line with Nagash's release than Glottkin. We saw Thanquol+Boneripper, the new Verminlords, the Stormfiends(which are not unlike the Morghast in being a new unit filling a new role in an existing older army book), and the new Warlord/Grey Seer clamshells.

So while Harlequins are certainly more plausible than Wardancers...the Wood Elf line is an absurd amount of Finecast, and still a large quantity of metal as well in the form of heroes and Waywatchers.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Exactly

That's as old school as it gets Nice shot

 Eiluj The Farseer wrote:
Come on Solitaire and Mimes...

Those are some of my original 18 box set.... The First GW models I bought and the first army I played..... They are my first love and I will be so happy if they can be their own army again. I used to have a rhino painted up harlequin like because they could use anyone's vehicles but you had to roll each turn to see if it broke down...lol

The should have made a rule called "Clown Car" You may embark twice as many models over the allotted transport capacity of the vehicle. When disembarking take a pinning test.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
'Dance of Death' could be Wood Elf Wardancers.

Doubtful when WFB is only doing End Times releases.

Not true.

They're doing a combination of End Times and gapfiller releases. The first set of releases for End Times were Nagash, his Mortarchs, the Morghast, and new Spirit Hosts. The second were pretty much all End Times. The third book had nothing released, period, with it which was disappointing for Elf players. Thanquol just saw a combination of End Times releases which were more in line with Nagash's release than Glottkin. We saw Thanquol+Boneripper, the new Verminlords, the Stormfiends(which are not unlike the Morghast in being a new unit filling a new role in an existing older army book), and the new Warlord/Grey Seer clamshells.

So while Harlequins are certainly more plausible than Wardancers...the Wood Elf line is an absurd amount of Finecast, and still a large quantity of metal as well in the form of heroes and Waywatchers.

I was pretty sure all the models released where in the End Times books.

Warlord/Grey Seer are just in the generic army books, same with Spirit Hosts.

You can run Morghast and Blightkings with the rules they printed in White Dwarf as just part of a normal army without having to get into End Times army lists.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Warlord/Grey Seer are just in the generic army books, same with Spirit Hosts.

You can run Morghast and Blightkings with the rules they printed in White Dwarf as just part of a normal army without having to get into End Times army lists.

I meant I thought they had rules in End Times, which is why I considered them End Times releases.

Morghast and Blightkings are the only non-character units that got rules in End Times, but again they also had WD rules printed and were specifically set up so that you can take them in normal army lists.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Morghast and Blightkings are the only non-character units that got rules in End Times, but again they also had WD rules printed and were specifically set up so that you can take them in normal army lists.

Good to know.

Please note I'm not trying to browbeat you or say "OMG YOU'RE SO WRONG IT HAS TO BE WOOD ELVES!!1!"

I do hope it is Wood Elves instead of Harlequins though. I really could use a Waywatcher/Wardancer double kit...

I'm really doubting it's Wood Elves since the sources who said it was Harlequins are pretty accurate and no one has said Wood Elves.

Stop crushing my dreams, Clockwork!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stop crushing my dreams, Clockwork!

Sorry!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stop crushing my dreams, Clockwork!

You could just paint the harlequins in earth tones, and swap out anything shooty for a blade. Poof! Wardancers!

 Skerr wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

We dont have Farseers on bikes unless I missed it. Harlies on bikes would be awesome but farseers and warlocks on bikes would be dream

I would be in favor of dual kits but dont think they will. The model torsos would be diffrent (I think), but hey, if they make them, I will buy them.

You are of course correct - there is no model for Farseers on jetbikes. That just means there are two units in the Eldar codex without models. The Harlequin jetbike kit is rumored to be a dual kit, but dual with what? It could just be windriders, but they already have an official model (admittedly an old one). So, I just ask, what is the most logical thing for GW to use for the other half of the kit, given their stated policy of replacing or removing all units that don't have models yet? Warlocks on jetbikes fits that hole very well.

Keep in mind I am just reading the tea leaves, like everyone else. If they did a Harlequin/Windrider box, I will buy one. If they make a Harlequin/Jet-Warlock box, I will buy 2 or 3.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Morghast and Blightkings are the only non-character units that got rules in End Times, but again they also had WD rules printed and were specifically set up so that you can take them in normal army lists.

Good to know.

Actually, Skaven Stormfiends are End Times and are not character units...I don't have the current white dwarf, but Im sure their rules were printed in it and are were also meant to be available in non-End Times army lists....but being a Rare choice and costing 85pts/model..there are better options to take in the form of HPAs, and Warp Lightning Cannons.

I haven't collected Eldar since I sold my 2nd edition mostly metal army...but a multi-kit featuring Harlequins sculpted by Jes Goodwin would be an auto buy for me...

If GW wanted to update Eldar Jetbikes with this Harlequin release it's easy. Use 2 spures. One spure contains the Jetbike by it's self and the other spure has whatever other rider you need, in the case Harlies. Heck GW could make a rider spure that had both guardian and shinning spears bits on it. Boom instant dual kit

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
If GW wanted to update Eldar Jetbikes with this Harlequin release it's easy. Use 2 spures. One spure contains the Jetbike by it's self and the other spure has whatever other rider you need, in the case Harlies. Heck GW could make a rider spure that had both guardian and shinning spears bits on it. Boom instant dual kit

If only we lived in a world where GW sprues weren't mixed up and all over the place.

 Fango wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Morghast and Blightkings are the only non-character units that got rules in End Times, but again they also had WD rules printed and were specifically set up so that you can take them in normal army lists.

Good to know.

Actually, Skaven Stormfiends are End Times and are not character units...I don't have the current white dwarf, but Im sure their rules were printed in it and are were also meant to be available in non-End Times army lists....but being a Rare choice and costing 85pts/model..there are better options to take in the form of HPAs, and Warp Lightning Cannons.

I haven't collected Eldar since I sold my 2nd edition mostly metal army...but a multi-kit featuring Harlequins sculpted by Jes Goodwin would be an auto buy for me...

The last release of Harlequins were Quite nice honestly. An army would make me paint them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
If GW wanted to update Eldar Jetbikes with this Harlequin release it's easy. Use 2 spures. One spure contains the Jetbike by it's self and the other spure has whatever other rider you need, in the case Harlies. Heck GW could make a rider spure that had both guardian and shinning spears bits on it. Boom instant dual kit

If only we lived in a world where GW sprues weren't mixed up and all over the place.

These days it looks like they're mixed up and all over the place to fit more into less space. I mean we have a lot more stuff on less sprues than we used to now.

Oh I know why they do it - I'm not about to denigrate GW's plastic technology and the efficient way they now pack sprues with bitz - but it does mean that something like a dedicated "Jetbike sprue" and then separate "crew sprues" are less likely, because they'll just jumble everything into as few sprues as possible, meaning we're unlikely to get new regular Eldar Jetbikes for a while.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh I know why they do it - I'm not about to denigrate GW's plastic technology and the efficient way they now pack sprues with bitz - but it does mean that something like a dedicated "Jetbike sprue" and then separate "crew sprues" are less likely, because they'll just jumble everything into as few sprues as possible, meaning we're unlikely to get new regular Eldar Jetbikes for a while.

True. Unless the bodies are the same for all riders and they pack in extra heads or something.

Then again there could be a whole other reason for it to not be a dual pack: the front section could match the old style bikes and have the same grinning face on them.

 Asmodas wrote:

 Skerr wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

We dont have Farseers on bikes unless I missed it. Harlies on bikes would be awesome but farseers and warlocks on bikes would be dream

I would be in favor of dual kits but dont think they will. The model torsos would be diffrent (I think), but hey, if they make them, I will buy them.

You are of course correct - there is no model for Farseers on jetbikes. That just means there are two units in the Eldar codex without models. The Harlequin jetbike kit is rumored to be a dual kit, but dual with what? It could just be windriders, but they already have an official model (admittedly an old one). So, I just ask, what is the most logical thing for GW to use for the other half of the kit, given their stated policy of replacing or removing all units that don't have models yet? Warlocks on jetbikes fits that hole very well.

Keep in mind I am just reading the tea leaves, like everyone else. If they did a Harlequin/Windrider box, I will buy one. If they make a Harlequin/Jet-Warlock box, I will buy 2 or 3.

I would be down with Locks on bikes. It does make sense to release them (warlocks) in multiples while a Seer biker would probably be stand alone kit with various upgrades for 40 bucks. Let's hope your powers of divination are accurate.

Really interested to see what GW can do with plastic Harlequins I can see me dumping my Necrons, sisters and accumulated Marine detritus if the models are lovely.

They were OP as hell in 2nd, but hopefully they will be balanced this time around.

Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh I know why they do it - I'm not about to denigrate GW's plastic technology and the efficient way they now pack sprues with bitz - but it does mean that something like a dedicated "Jetbike sprue" and then separate "crew sprues" are less likely, because they'll just jumble everything into as few sprues as possible, meaning we're unlikely to get new regular Eldar Jetbikes for a while.

This kind of approach is pretty pointless now that the cost of making molds isn't a limiting factor anymore.

Even if GW decided to make 2 jetbike kits, it's more efficient to just make a larger, standalone sprue for each kit, even if all the jetbike parts are copy/pasted, rather than a common Jetbike sprue and then separate rider sprues.

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

You're not thinking like a GW. How can it be a popular option if there is no model? Those people who use them must have converted them. So we can release a model for them and hope that people replace their conversions with official models, or we could completely remove the option from the rules and then those people will be forced to replace their conversions with official models as they try to fill the gap in their army left by the invalidated conversions. And the second option doesn't even require us to release a new kit!

Now which do you think GW is more likely to do?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh I know why they do it - I'm not about to denigrate GW's plastic technology and the efficient way they now pack sprues with bitz - but it does mean that something like a dedicated "Jetbike sprue" and then separate "crew sprues" are less likely, because they'll just jumble everything into as few sprues as possible, meaning we're unlikely to get new regular Eldar Jetbikes for a while.

This kind of approach is pretty pointless now that the cost of making molds isn't a limiting factor anymore.

Even if GW decided to make 2 jetbike kits, it's more efficient to just make a larger, standalone sprue for each kit, even if all the jetbike parts are copy/pasted, rather than a common Jetbike sprue and then separate rider sprues.

Since when is the cost of mold making not a limiting factor? They still cost ~£15,000 a pop, so they're still going to want to have to make fewer of them.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

You're not thinking like a GW. How can it be a popular option if there is no model? Those people who use them must have converted them. So we can release a model for them and hope that people replace their conversions with official models, or we could completely remove the option from the rules and then those people will be forced to replace their conversions with official models as they try to fill the gap in their army left by the invalidated conversions. And the second option doesn't even require us to release a new kit!

Now which do you think GW is more likely to do?

I honestly don't think GW put that much thought into it - I suspect it's more viewed as "tidying up" regardless of the actual consequences - but I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist.

Relatively small changes in the Dark Eldar codex frelled up my favourite lists but it didn't make me rush out to buy new DE stuff, I just put the army away and sulked instead - a much more adult response!

Anyway a Harlie 'dex would at least feel like a partial reparation so I'm hoping it turns out to be a real thing.

 Goliath wrote:
Since when is the cost of mold making not a limiting factor? They still cost ~£15,000 a pop, so they're still going to want to have to make fewer of them.

Firstly, you can go look at every GW release in the last 6 or so years and you'll see that they're prioritizing simplicity of casting/packing over minimizing the number of new molds and they're going to some lengths to do away with "accessory" type sprues.

Secondly, I think you're overshooting as far as actual tooling goes. That's how much you pay for a third party company to do it for you, GW have their own hardware and engineers.

Thirdly, 2 stand alone sprues is 2 sprues, one generic sprue and 2 rider sprues is 3 sprues, so

 Captain Blood wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Asmodas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks for chiming in and sharing info again, Sad Panda A Solitaire model like the 2nd ed John Blanche artwork? Very much looking forward to it. Have you heard anything about the bikes? Yay or Nay?

If this rumor has any truth in it I think they will have to add bike harlies (what else could make them playable?) But then again, it would look strange to give harlies new bikes and not updating regular craftworlders bikes.
But if its a dual kit with windriders, the poor shining spears are left out.

I bet that it will be a dual kit with Warlocks on Jetbikes. It's one of the only units without a model left in the entire game, and it happens to be a very popular one.

You're not thinking like a GW. How can it be a popular option if there is no model? Those people who use them must have converted them. So we can release a model for them and hope that people replace their conversions with official models, or we could completely remove the option from the rules and then those people will be forced to replace their conversions with official models as they try to fill the gap in their army left by the invalidated conversions. And the second option doesn't even require us to release a new kit!

Now which do you think GW is more likely to do?

I honestly don't think GW put that much thought into it - I suspect it's more viewed as "tidying up" regardless of the actual consequences - but I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist.

Relatively small changes in the Dark Eldar codex frelled up my favourite lists but it didn't make me rush out to buy new DE stuff, I just put the army away and sulked instead - a much more adult response!

Anyway a Harlie 'dex would at least feel like a partial reparation so I'm hoping it turns out to be a real thing.

I want to give them my money for that, but if they won't take it... then I'm afraid Privateer Press will get it because my Trollbloods still need things. Like more Longriders.

 ergotoxin wrote:
Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

Just want to point out that whether something is "Unavailable" or not is a poor indicator. All the Harlequin models are showing as "Ships within 24 hours" on the US site.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

Just want to point out that whether something is "Unavailable" or not is a poor indicator. All the Harlequin models are showing as "Ships within 24 hours" on the US site.

I just ordered a shadowseer and Deathjester just i for kicks earlier, they dont have the "troope" box though.

migooo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

Just want to point out that whether something is "Unavailable" or not is a poor indicator. All the Harlequin models are showing as "Ships within 24 hours" on the US site.

I just ordered a shadowseer and Deathjester just i for kicks earlier, they dont have the "troope" box though.

The US site still does...

Remember to be clear about where you're mentioning.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Harlequins are coming as they are now listed as "No Longer Available" on the UK site.

 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ergotoxin wrote:
Harleyquin Troupe is unavailable on GW website for few days already, so I doubt it's Wood Elves.

I'm looking forward to this release, though given the trend, I'm afraid the actual price will be the same or even higher than the price of finecast for the same amount of models.

Just want to point out that whether something is "Unavailable" or not is a poor indicator. All the Harlequin models are showing as "Ships within 24 hours" on the US site.

I just ordered a shadowseer and Deathjester just i for kicks earlier, they dont have the "troope" box though.

The US site still does...

Remember to be clear about where you're mentioning.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Harlequins are coming as they are now listed as "No Longer Available" on the UK site.

Yes sorry, UK

To keep the road to disappointment out of the nav system. There have been no rumors from a solid source about a Harlequin Codex yet. If there is a printed or digital only publication like a Codex (Tempestus or Inquisition), Codex Supplement (Crimson Slaughter) or a Campaign Supplement (like Shield of Baal: Leviathan), it will be leaked until friday next week or the week after. There is only speculation about that yet, which is fine, and most ideas like those from Faeit seem to be likely. But the problem is that with GW's marketing strategy which is mostly focussing on not informing a customer until he is gonna get wallet-raped (not telling anything new), much is possible, but nothing can be trusted until the product is available. Personally, being in the hobby for 24 years now, and having a large Saim-Hann army amongst other Eldar, I don't think a new CWE jetbike release is likely. In 2013 Jes Goodwin commented on the highly awaited bikes on Games Day (UK if my memory is correct) after the new codex and the wraith-construct heavy release (including a Iyanden supp) that they had to choose between that and new bikes. I am confident the future will bring a CWE Jetbikes, Shining Spears and a Jetseer Council release maybe even accompanied by a Saim-Hann supplement. But not this one. It just does not fit into GW's release patterns of late. Harlequins don't seem to fit a biker-heavy release and vice-versa. But who knows for sure... I don't

ShadowWolf32387 on Faeit 212 wrote:
Natfka,
I just noticed in the White Dwarf Paint Splatter section that the hint for next week's Paint Splatter says "Trouping the colors...". The only thing that could reference using that spelling is a Troupe, which to my knowledge ONLY applies to the Harlies. Combine that with the "Dance of Death" hint we got, and it makes a convincing argument that the Harlequins are very close, maybe even next week.

Hmm, this is getting interesting! Hopefully we'll get some leaks Monday.

Nice find!

Often we get them over the weekend so fingers crossed.

Well the models will either be a wtf is that? or holy gak these are awesome!

Hopefully the latter. If these are nice models and can be added as a plug-in detachment, I might just break my clean sweep of Imperial armies...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Well the models will either be a wtf is that? or holy gak these are awesome!

Oh I hadn't considered that. Hopefully they don't look too square.

Credit to aracerssx on Warseer:

aracerssx wrote:

here is next week

-harlequin troupe: 6 models $40
-harlequin solitaire: 1 model $26


-horus heresy: Tallarn executioner john french hardback 125pgs $25
-the masque of vyle: By andy chambers hardback 128pages $20
-path of the dark eldar omnibus: By andy chambers paperback 128pgs $17.50
-warhammer visions issue 13: 236pgs $12



also the hints for next week for issue 54 on saturday 7 feb
*the dance continues
*exclusive warhammer 40k mission
*some very converted orks

"The Dance Continues"? Doesn't sound very creative. At least "Dance of Death" had alliteration to fall back on.

And 6 for $40 seems really steep. Is that American dollars?
I guess looking at the omnibus it'd have to be.

Or wait, only 128 pages for the omnibus? Something's wrong here... And aren't they usually 16.99 or something like that?

Could be worse they could have called it Dance of Death Part 2 Dance Harder!

 Sinful Hero wrote:

And 6 for $40 seems really steep. Is that American dollars?

Not to re-open the wound, but dire avengers are 5 for $35. And marine players pay $40/$50 for 5 vanguard/sternguard vets, so that price for a 5 man elite box is not unheralded.

I’ll have to see the box to judge if I think it’s worth it, but it’s within normal GW pricing.

Current unit size for Harlequins is 5, minimum.
The current box of 6 in Finecast is $41.25 but only nets you two Harlequin's Kisses when the unit can entirely be upgraded to have them.
The Finecast box gets you the two Fusion Pistols you can have, and the Troupe Master with the 20 point Power Sword upgrade(technically it's free from a Harlequin's Kiss but you have to buy the Kiss first for 20 points).

Couple that with a Shadowseer($19.25) and Death Jester($19.25) and you're looking at $79.75 for a unit of 8 Harlequins with the bare minimum upgrades.

Since we're not seeing the Shadowseer or Death Jester listed as new plastic clamshells it could be that the parts are possibly included within the plastic box meaning that the box of 5 for $40 isn't going to be terrible.

Not ideal; but not terrible.

I can see parts for the Death Jester certainly but not the seer. When they were limited to a single unit sure but now possibly they will get something the following week.

No news on the codex though.

If your feeling cynical, you might think they include a brand new type of weapon for the harlies that stand far superior to kisses -making old models pointless.
Anyhow, I guess kisses are now S-user, ap-, mastercrafted.

Harlequin Rumors - Jan 2015
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
A new Solitaire model. He is in a dynamic pose leaping into the air with one hand out front and his harlequin caress hidden from his target reared back ready to strike the final blow. the model is supported by his jacket on the base. He has a high collar with a demon mask on his face complete with two horns.
infantry (character) unique
WS9 BS9 T3 W3 A6
Wargear
Holosuit, Harlequin's caress, Harlequin's kiss, flip belt

Special Rules
deepstrike, eternal warrior, fear, fearless, fleet, furious charge, hit and run, precision strikes.

Blitz- once per game can blitz. Roll a d6 equal to the turn number, and that is the distance he moves and ignores all models and terrain. When blitzing his attacks are increased to 10.

3+ invul save
Cannot ever be joined by another character, and cannot take warlord traits
Can move 12" in the movement phase.

Can take haywire
may take one item from the "Enigmas of the Black Library" list

Harlequin caress S: user AP - ,melee, Caress of Death any 6 to hit causes an automatic wound regardless of of toughness at ap2, against vehicles a to hit of 6 auto glances

Harelquin kiss S: user AP- melee, kiss of death. One attack is a kiss of death, resolved at S6 ap2 and if a 6 is rolled its instant death

Flip belt- not slowed by difficult terrain and no penalty for charging through cover. also 2+ look out sir rolls.

That sounds pretty cool, but anonymous source on Faeit 212 makes me catch my breath. Well, a blind hog will pick up an acorn every now and again.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
That sounds pretty cool, but anonymous source on Faeit 212 makes me catch my breath. Well, a blind hog will pick up an acorn every now and again.

Yep. Can never join a unit, but has 2+ look out sir rolls. Figure that one out.

Flip Belts are standard issue on all Harlequins.

It's "can't be joined by another character" so I'm guessing he can be attached to a unit, but no others are allowed.

Either way, I'm equally dubious, largely because "blitz", unless there's some heritage I'm unaware of, is the least Eldar like name for a USR I've heard.

Those rules seem overpowered. However solitaires were death machines

Harlequin Rumors - Jan 2015
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Unit of harlequin troupes are 4 Players and a Troupe Master according to next week's White Dwarf.

Wargear
Holosuit, shuriken pistol, close combat weapon, plasma grenades, flip belt

Special Rules
Fear, fleet, furious charge, and hit and run

Can include up to 7 additional Players
any model can take a fusion pistol or neuro disruptor 12" S1 AP2 fleshbane

Upgrades are a harlequin's embrace-S: user AP- melee embrace of death gives d3 hammer of wrath attacks at S6, harlequins kiss, and harlequins caress. Any model can upgrade
The Troupe Master can take one item from the Enigmas of the Black Library and can select a Starweaver as a dedicated transport.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Flip Belts are standard issue on all Harlequins.

Fair enough.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Either way, I'm equally dubious, largely because "blitz", unless there's some heritage I'm unaware of, is the least Eldar like name for a USR I've heard.

IIRC it actually is an old Solitaire special rule.

migooo wrote:
Those rules seem overpowered. However solitaires were death machines

Not really. It's a T3 model with 3 wounds and a 3++. It can't hide in another unit, either. It shouldn't be too hard to kill, even with bolters. Flamer overwatch would be bad news, too. But if it hits its target, fuggedaboutit.

Blitz- once per game can blitz. Roll a d6 equal to the turn number, and that is the distance he moves and ignores all models and terrain. When blitzing his attacks are increased to 10.

so in turn 6 he can move 6-36 inches?

Interesting to see the return of the neuro disruptor. Particularly since it shows up on the old RT metal solitaire mini.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Blitz- once per game can blitz. Roll a d6 equal to the turn number, and that is the distance he moves and ignores all models and terrain. When blitzing his attacks are increased to 10.

so in turn 6 he can move 6-36 inches?

It says 'equal to', not 'multiplied by'.

 Ghaz wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Blitz- once per game can blitz. Roll a d6 equal to the turn number, and that is the distance he moves and ignores all models and terrain. When blitzing his attacks are increased to 10.

so in turn 6 he can move 6-36 inches?

It says 'equal to', not 'multiplied by'.

So, roll a number of d6's equal to the turn number? Turn six he can blitz 6-36? Turn one 1-6? Turn two 2-12?

The rumor says "roll a D6 equal to the turn number' and not 'roll a number of D6s equal to the turn number'.. As the rumor is written, on turn one you would need to roll a 1 and could move 1". On turn two, you would need to roll a 2 and could move 2" and so on and so forth.

 Ghaz wrote:
The rumor says "roll a D6 equal to the turn number' and not 'roll a number of D6s equal to the turn number'.. As the rumor is written, on turn one you would need to roll a 1 and could move 1". On turn two, you would need to roll a 2 and could move 2" and so on and so forth.

I think the rumor is just worded poorly. A 1+ to move 1" is pretty dumb.

Yes, it is worded poorly but I'm not trying to read too much into it considering its source.