http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/this-weeks-releases-codex-khorne.html

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Codex: Khorne Daemonkin
120pg hardback Codex. Rules for fielding a combined force of Khornate Chaos Space Marines with Daemons of Khorne.
£30

Warhammer 40,000 Datacards: Khorne Daemonkin
45 reference cards; 36 tactical objective cards; and 9 large-format ‘Blood for the Blood God’ cards.

Khorne Daemonkin Warband
10 Chaos Space Marines; 5 Possessed Chaos Space Marines; 5 Chaos Terminators; a Chaos Helbrute; 3 Bloodcrushers of Khorne; 12 Khorne Berserkers; and a Resin Herald of Khorne.
£140


Also New Citadel model cases
Skirmish – 100 infatry size case
Battle – 200 infantry case
Crusader – 400 infantry case





I was hyped when this rumour first came out and have held off the separate codex's since and have saved some of my wallet for such an occasion. Looks like its finally happening this week. Hopefully anyway, I need this so badly.

Edit: WD images courtesy of Blog for the Blood god








Update 18/03/2015: Huge thanks to Warboss85 for these images, 40k Bloodthirster variants (In German).

I'll believe Resin when I see it.

While on the one hand, Yay we might be getting updated rules for Berserkers, Bloodletters, the Bloodthirster and Kharn. (Assuming this isn't just a lazy collection of the rules from CSM and CD)
On the other hand, this may be heralding a move from two Chaos codex to five+ Chaos codex (One for each god's Daemonkin and Undivided) and if that's the case, well my wallet is on the roof, gibbering like a lunatic and I think it's going to jump.

Also on the Resin model in the collection, it might be http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Chaos-Daemons-Herald-of-Khorne as I doubt he sold very well with the state on non Juggernaut Khorne Heralds.

I will literally foam at the mouth if a Tzeentch one is released.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Also on the Resin model in the collection, it might be http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Chaos-Daemons-Herald-of-Khorne as I doubt he sold very well with the state on non Juggernaut Khorne Heralds.

It would almost certainly be him, but it would be the first time a resin model's been put in a box set.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Also on the Resin model in the collection, it might be http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Chaos-Daemons-Herald-of-Khorne as I doubt he sold very well with the state on non Juggernaut Khorne Heralds.

It would almost certainly be him, but it would be the first time a resin model's been put in a box set.

Very true. Could be a web bundle though? Resin Fleshhounds were part of this one http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/The-Blood-Hunt-Web-Bundle

EDIT: I'm a goddamn idiot, it's the Blood Hunt Web Bundle...

I want to hope.................

If I see a plastic LoC/Fateweaver type box I am getting it.. and I will probably freak because I would be guessing Tzeentch book would follow.

but blahblahblah hope is the blah blah blah right?

That one dosent have Fleshhounds, Unless I am missing something. It does have chaos warhounds from fantasy though

Merellin wrote:
That one dosent have Fleshhounds, Unless I am missing something. It does have chaos warhounds from fantasy though

You're right, it was "The Blood Hunt Web Bundle" (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/The-Blood-Hunt-Web-Bundle). Sorry for the confusion.

No new models? Could have at least updated the tired old Berzerkers.

Chad Warden wrote:
No new models? Could have at least updated the tired old Berzerkers.

Something tells me it's a supplement to both CSM and CD and that the only new stuff is the variant Bloodthirsters, Formations, Relics, and whatever the Blood for the Blood God cards are for.

Resin herald is probably this one-

Would of been the perfect time for plastic Fleshhounds and new Berserkers.

it's nice to see this release but if they don't do something with the delivery system for getting the marines into close combat then this will just be a fluff army (nothing wrong with that).

I hope they give the herald the option to take 3+ armor save which is needed.

My fear with this is that Khorne Daemons are going to lose the current Rewards system.
I mean the randomness can go die in a fire but being able to give out Axe of Khorne to Heralds and Bloodletter upgrade characters for 10pt at initiative AP2 is quite good.
In it's place I expect Hellblades will be the order of the day and instead we'll get one Relic AP2 Weapon (Maybe a Daemon Weapon), a Relic that grants a Armor or Invul save (2+ or 3++) a weird Leadership affecting relic that Fearless and ATSKNF are immune to and an anti-psyker relic that will probably grand Adamantium Will.
Of course the Chaos Space Marine side might get a bit of a benefit (recosted Berserkers would be nice) but unless the CSM side have full access to the CSM shooty options I fear it's another codex where they are sorely under powered in 1/2 of the game as we won't shoot nor be able to cast psychic powers.

Bloodletters need something to make them decent.

I don't know what that 'something' is. But they need it.

 dan2026 wrote:
Bloodletters need something to make them decent.

I don't know what that 'something' is. But they need it.

Indeed, I would love to see a Bloodletter with a big dumb gun. Like a 18" S5 AP- Rapid Fire or something. So they have good bite at close range and can actually make use of the BS5. Hell even if it was just a Bolter it'd still be an improvement over the Hellblade.

My other hope is that they either do away with the Champions of Chaos rule or give it the same rules as "Accept any challenge no matter the odds". But they'll probably keep it in it's current form and give it to the Chaos Daemons side too...

I'd be alright with Bloodletters being able to shoot fireballs from their Hellblades with the Soul Blaze rule. Along with everyone getting decapitating strike, hueheheh...

 unmercifulconker wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/this-weeks-releases-codex-khorne.html

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Codex: Khorne Daemonkin
120pg hardback Codex. Rules for fielding a combined force of Khornate Chaos Space Marines with Daemons of Khorne.
£30

Warhammer 40,000 Datacards: Khorne Daemonkin
45 reference cards; 36 tactical objective cards; and 9 large-format ‘Blood for the Blood God’ cards.

Khorne Daemonkin Warband
10 Chaos Space Marines; 5 Possessed Chaos Space Marines; 5 Chaos Terminators; a Chaos Helbrute; 3 Bloodcrushers of Khorne; 12 Khorne Berserkers; and a Resin Herald of Khorne.
£140


Also New Citadel model cases
Skirmish – 100 infatry size case
Battle – 200 infantry case
Crusader – 400 infantry case

I was hyped when this rumour first came out and have held off the separate codex's since and have saved some of my wallet for such an occasion. Looks like its finally happening this week. Hopefully anyway, I need this so badly.

It is correct. The first three items are pretty much confirmed by URL checks by Atia on B&C and the original sources Sad Panda and Darnok haven't been wrong for a long time/at all. The Warband set is sold with a discount so it should be a box and not a webbundle

It would be awesome if Berzerker/CSM Champs/Chaos Lords could get an Axe of Khorne.

Which is why it won't happen.

I'm wondering if there will be an artifact that even comes close to the Axe of Blind Fury in terms of destructive potential.

Actually looking at that bundle, I guess the Resin Herald is probably going to be http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Chaos-Daemons-Herald-of-Khorne-on-Juggernaut-of-Khorne as a Herald on foot wouldn't be able to join any of the CSM squads, unless the Daemonic Instability rule is getting chucked.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Also on the Resin model in the collection, it might be http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Chaos-Daemons-Herald-of-Khorne as I doubt he sold very well with the state on non Juggernaut Khorne Heralds.

It would almost certainly be him, but it would be the first time a resin model's been put in a box set.

Nope the Baddrukk set for example had a FC Baddrukk and FC gretchins

I really hope this means they chuck out the whole Heralds can't join CSM squads. That'd be pretty awesome.

Also, Forgeworld has a similar detachment for Nurgle that has to be all Nurgle.

Looking forward to this. Could be the first good thing to happen to CSM in a very long time

 unmercifulconker wrote:


Also New Citadel model cases
Skirmish – 100 infatry size case
Battle – 200 infantry case
Crusader – 400 infantry case

That part interests me the most. In a game where almost every unit is bought (both in terms of $$$ and points) in multiples of five, the foam cases from GW have had rows of 9... grrrr!! If those numbers are true then finally GW may have wised up to that fact. I know there are third party foam makers that fix that issue but as an owner of about a half dozen large GW cases (I bought GW ones back when the small army transport cases were the only other option) it's always annoyed me.

I'm just worried that mix god/pure daemon army will be wrecked.

Updated Berzerkers would be cool, I remember when the current models came out, and they weren't that great then. Also if they finally made it decent... well, I always did like Khorne. BFTBG and all that.

I may or may not have considered doing a Khorne army based on the warband mentioned by name in the CSM book "The Revelation of Gore" because that is probably the most badass sounding name I've ever heard (nothing actually states they are Khornate, but with a name like that how can they not be). Also I want to literally slather models in blood effect paint (whether GW or otherwise) because why not?

Damn it, I don't have this kind of money :(

I never got why CSM and Daemons can't form squads together.
fluff wise it doesn't make sense.
It just seems like a lazy way of getting round the mixed unit daemonic instability crap.

I hope they throw away that rule and just have Daemons take morale checks like normal squads.

Well, to the best of my recollection, Daemons have always been largely immune to LD checks, and I don't think there's anything in the book currently you look at and think "if it weren't for Instability, that unit would be broken!"

As to not putting resin models in boxed sets? True, but they've put metal models in them before, and this is no different, resin/Finecast is just the modern metal equivalent.

As to the release in general? Woot.

Eternal Warrior on Thirsters and an I bonus for Bloodletters and I'll be happy (maybe with an anti psychic buff too)

I dont think we will see any major changes to the rules.
More likey a bunch of formations with weird but usefull special rules, perhaps for deepstriking delight.
I would like to see some buffs to the BT, but as the new fantasy versions stayed basicly the same, I dont have much hope for that.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Also on the Resin model in the collection, it might be http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Chaos-Daemons-Herald-of-Khorne as I doubt he sold very well with the state on non Juggernaut Khorne Heralds.

It would almost certainly be him, but it would be the first time a resin model's been put in a box set.

Nope the Baddrukk set for example had a FC Baddrukk and FC gretchins

Was that sold as a discount or just a web bundle?

The easiest fix to Bloodlletters imo would be to make them T4 again.

But then, where does that leave Plaguebearers?

Hmmm... I'm hoping this is a supplement and not an actual codex. It would be very confusing to have rules (possibly even different rules) for Khorne units in multiple places.

IMO this 'book' is best served as a supplement with nothing more than some formations and unique wargear. All rules for the individual units will hopefully remain unchanged and in their respective codex.

Cool release rumors? Awesome!
Larry Vela? :(

I think somebody already said what I see as the most likely outcome,

No altered rules - if we see the Thirster, one version will be identical to the CD one.

Formations - this will be the way to alter the unit rules without screwing with the base entries in their respective Codexes

Warlord Traits - most of which will likely cause fear.

New relics - exclusive to units/characters from this book.

Maybe a new character or two..


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 pretre wrote:
Cool release rumors? Awesome!
Larry Vela? :(

Hasn't the essence of the rumour (a Khorne themed 40K supplement) come from other, more solid, sources though?

I just like that 90% of my chaos is in one book.

 pretre wrote:
Cool release rumors? Awesome!
Larry Vela? :(

I think the rumor is from one of Natfka's sources. So that's a REAL big difference.

Anyway, if true this could be interesting down the road if I ever want to do something 40K with my nascent 30K World Eaters.

Agh, you are correct. Too early for me.

Actually, I hate the whole Khorne fluff and models.
Absolutely underwhelming.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Actually, I hate the whole Khorne fluff and models.
Absolutely underwhelming.

Great, thanks for your input.

Do we think this will be a codex or more of a supplement with formations and maybe some special wargear and warlord traits? I can't see them changing rules and having bloodletters, for example, with different characteristics than the Daemon Codex.

Regardless it sounds like a good thing for anyone interested in Khorne.

skycapt44 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Actually, I hate the whole Khorne fluff and models.
Absolutely underwhelming.

Great, thanks for your input.

Do we think this will be a codex or more of a supplement with formations and maybe some special wargear and warlord traits? I can't see them changing rules and having bloodletters, for example, with different characteristics than the Daemon Codex.

Regardless it sounds like a good thing for anyone interested in Khorne.

It's not unheard of. Zoanthropes got new rules, well, an extra unit upgrade. Then they release a datasheet pdf on the webpage.

But where the heck are new Khorne Berzerkers? How can they be doing this whole Codex without updating AT LEAST that kit???

skycapt44 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Actually, I hate the whole Khorne fluff and models.
Absolutely underwhelming.

Great, thanks for your input.

I think Khorne and Nurgle are conceptually stronger than Slaanesh or Tzeentch. *shrug* It's harder to convey Slaanesh and Tzeentch in miniature form, IMO.

Do we think this will be a codex or more of a supplement with formations and maybe some special wargear and warlord traits? I can't see them changing rules and having bloodletters, for example, with different characteristics than the Daemon Codex.

Regardless it sounds like a good thing for anyone interested in Khorne.

If I had to guess, I'd say that characteristics will stay the same but units may get bonuses (Rage? Hatred-All?) for being part of the Khorne detachment.

Again, assuming this isn't bunk.


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drbored wrote:
But where the heck are new Khorne Berzerkers? How can they be doing this whole Codex without updating AT LEAST that kit???

Those could still happen. Or none of this could happen. I'm not trusting this source right now.

Besides, this might be Codex: Sell Bloodthirsters, not Codex: Sell New Berzerkers.

We could very well see a price decrease on the Berserkers, as evidence by the Harlequin release GW doesn't seem to have a problem releasing two sets of stats etc..

Hollismason wrote:
We could very well see a price decrease on the Berserkers, as evidence by the Harlequin release GW doesn't seem to have a problem releasing two sets of stats etc..

BWA HAHAAAABAHAHAHAAAAH
And now they increase the price.

there will be no new Khorn bezerkers, don't get your hopes up, they just reboxed the Bezerkers to be on the 32mm bases and I cannot see them doing that when they have new ones around the corner, it would be a gross waste of resources.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I will literally foam at the mouth if a Tzeentch one is released.

I'm pretty sure GW has forgotten Tzeentch and Slaanesh exist. They require too much creativity to implement in their games. I guarantee we will see a Nurgle one though.

That said, I would be pretty damned stoked if GW released anything for Tzeentch at this point.

Ahhhhhhh!!! I'm hoping for new rules and formations. new warlord traits, relics, data sheets and hopefully new Berzerkers, new Kharn or something. Anything really.

as I said, no new bezerkers, its not gonna happen anytime soon.

Berzerkers are one of the oldest plastic kits GW has floating around. They first arrived at the start of 3rd Ed. I really don't think there's any "soon" to it. They're ancient and need updating.

Of course I can very easily see a box of 12 for US$37.50 becoming a box or 5 or 8 for US$50.

http://astropate.blogspot.com/

Found this pic at this website...

Interdasting...

I'm guessing that's a Prince.

I'm going to hope this goes well just so it increases the chances that they give me a combined Slaanesh Marines/Daemons book.

I would guess that it will be very much a supplement. No new rules for units (and probably no new models which is a shame).
New Warlord Traits, and Relics. Formations that change how the units function in hopefully a good way.

I can live with that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Berzerkers are one of the oldest plastic kits GW has floating around. They first arrived at the start of 3rd Ed. I really don't think there's any "soon" to it. They're ancient and need updating.

Of course I can very easily see a box of 12 for US$37.50 becoming a box or 5 or 8 for US$50.

I remember when they came out, and I don't disagree with you, but they JUST reboxed the bezerkers with new 32mm bases, so why spend moneez on that then release a whole new set a few months later, no, it doesn't make sense, so don't expect it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Interdasting...

I'm guessing that's a Prince.

Scale wise, assuming that's a Marine on the floor, I'd be more inclined to Khorne Posessed.

Which, I guess, makes sense as a unit to pad out the book, same models, different table, just like Crimson Slaughter.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Also on the Resin model in the collection, it might be http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Chaos-Daemons-Herald-of-Khorne as I doubt he sold very well with the state on non Juggernaut Khorne Heralds.

It would almost certainly be him, but it would be the first time a resin model's been put in a box set.

Nope the Baddrukk set for example had a FC Baddrukk and FC gretchins

Was that sold as a discount or just a web bundle?

At a discount and it could also be sold by indy shops like Wayland Games (with an even higher discount). It was a box with plastic and a few finecast minis. This Daemonkin Warband set seems to be the same

At 120 pages (according to Natfka's source) this looks to be a full-blown codex of its own. No codex supplement has ever been more than 100 pages. Will all unit rules be in the book? No need for the other codizes? That would be a welcome change to the former supplements

I am so looking forward to some pictures...


This artwork from Astropathe is fanart, how is it not? The blog is not saying it is from the book and the huge sig of the artist is not typical for the stuff GW releases nowadays

The Bloodthirster will likely be something like Strength D to sell the models.

That would work for me. I bought one for the hell of it. Might as well be an improvement over its predecessor.

Several sources point to a new 10 man berserker kit on 32mm bases... Couple new clam shells, etc...

I'm way excited.

I used to play a cult of khorne list from citadel journal!

If we were going to see new Berzerkers go up for preorder this weekend, we would be seeing the kits go off the website anywhere from Monday to tomorrow.

If I had to hazard a guess, what might happen is them doing something similar to what they did with the Necron release: giving their official stores a stock of 32mm bases intended only to be given to anyone buying Berzerker kits until the new box which includes 32mm bases comes out.

Doubt there will be new rules for the models aside from 1 or 2 characters. Hopefully no fear on items/warlord trait since demons already have it, would make it kinda dumb.

With this release I just hope for a formation that trades objective secure for assault from deep strike. "Any unit in this formation is able to assault if it entered via deep strike" That would take the BT and bloodletters or even the blood crushers back in the game and help the Terminators/Raptors and to a lesser extent the Warptalons to be more viable

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Several sources point to a new 10 man berserker kit on 32mm bases... Couple new clam shells, etc...

I'm way excited.

I used to play a cult of khorne list from citadel journal!

Are any of those sources not your local red shirt, some buddies from your local club or in your head?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Several sources point to a new 10 man berserker kit on 32mm bases... Couple new clam shells, etc...

I'm way excited.

I used to play a cult of khorne list from citadel journal!

Are any of those sources not your local red shirt, some buddies from your local club or in your head?

I've been keeping track of this rumor/thing like a madman across various forums and sites. That's the first I've seen of it, so... probably not. We could all be pleasantly surprised, but it seems pretty unlikely that there are any new kits whatsoever.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Several sources point to a new 10 man berserker kit on 32mm bases... Couple new clam shells, etc...

I'm way excited.

I used to play a cult of khorne list from citadel journal!

Are any of those sources not your local red shirt, some buddies from your local club or in your head?

Probably means repacking the existing Berzerkers from 12 to 10, with a price hike of course because reasons.

That sounds more appropriate.

That said, since the Berzerkers came out when I still played, they are well beyond due for a resculpt. In fact it's somewhat sad I remember how awesome it was when they first came out.

Probably means nothing, that particular poster has a history of posting dubious rumours with no provenence that don't come to pass.

He has a friend who paints models for White Dwarf and that, apparently.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Several sources point to a new 10 man berserker kit on 32mm bases... Couple new clam shells, etc...

I'm way excited.

I used to play a cult of khorne list from citadel journal!

Are any of those sources not your local red shirt, some buddies from your local club or in your head?

Probably means repacking the existing Berzerkers from 12 to 10, with a price hike of course because reasons.

That sounds more appropriate.

That said, since the Berzerkers came out when I still played, they are well beyond due for a resculpt. In fact it's somewhat sad I remember how awesome it was when they first came out.

By sad, you mean awesome right?

Honestly, I think the Berzerkers are pretty good as they are. Not as nice as the new Chosen, but definitely nicer than the current "Tactical" CSM box.
What does need a remake are Havocs. And boy oh boy do they need it...

 scuzz_bucket wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Several sources point to a new 10 man berserker kit on 32mm bases... Couple new clam shells, etc...

I'm way excited.

I used to play a cult of khorne list from citadel journal!

Are any of those sources not your local red shirt, some buddies from your local club or in your head?

Probably means repacking the existing Berzerkers from 12 to 10, with a price hike of course because reasons.

That sounds more appropriate.

That said, since the Berzerkers came out when I still played, they are well beyond due for a resculpt. In fact it's somewhat sad I remember how awesome it was when they first came out.

By sad, you mean awesome right?

Sad because I last played 15 years ago and remember the game that was, not the game that is.

 Kosake wrote:
Honestly, I think the Berzerkers are pretty good as they are. Not as nice as the new Chosen, but definitely nicer than the current "Tactical" CSM box.
What does need a remake are Havocs. And boy oh boy do they need it...

The kit lacks options. You still have to saw off the bolt pistols to give 'em Plasma Pistols.

If anyone is starting to think charitably about the Bezerkers, let me remind you that this


Is what they look like.

I like a lot of the CSM, probably more than the average person seems to, but these are just...

Ugh.


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Although, now I've thought "Hello Sailor" in the context of those running legs, I can't unthink it!

There are some good bits in there, and one of the heads lends itself to a good approximation of Boba Fett-as-a-Marine.

I'll never love the bunny ears.

Honestly, there's enough third party and FW WE bits out now that I'd probably be inclined to build my own (with bare heads) than buy anything other than a ponderously epic new kit.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I will literally foam at the mouth if a Tzeentch one is released.

Doubt it. They'll do this, release a Nurgle one next, and then get "too busy" with other projects to do anything further with the idea.

If a Nurgle one is released (and done well) then I will officially resume the hobby with all of the tenacity I had when I first started.

I hope Games Workshop actually releases one of these after each new Greater Daemon release. That would be really fun.

Oh, and of course the current berserker models look like diarrhea. Have you seen the Thousand Sons? The Plague Marines? They CSM range has a lot of old bad models on the shelf. They always have. GW gave them new raptors 3 years ago. They'll get new Devastators a year from now. In 2020 we'll see new Berserkers. Just sit tight.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Several sources point to a new 10 man berserker kit on 32mm bases... Couple new clam shells, etc...

I'm way excited.

I used to play a cult of khorne list from citadel journal!

Are any of those sources not your local red shirt, some buddies from your local club or in your head?

Probably means repacking the existing Berzerkers from 12 to 10, with a price hike of course because reasons.

That sounds more appropriate.

That said, since the Berzerkers came out when I still played, they are well beyond due for a resculpt. In fact it's somewhat sad I remember how awesome it was when they first came out.

That would be impossible without a recut of the sprue.

Apparently there is going to be a strenght D Bloodthirster variant ( and the rules should be coming from a WD, not the Khorne Codex, meaning it is usable for Codex: Daemons aswell. Which ofcourse, kinda makes sense. )

About time we got an answer to those pesky Imperial Knights without needing to tailor the whole army list.

 RunicFIN wrote:
Apparently there is going to be a strenght D Bloodthirster variant ( and the rules should be coming from a WD, not the Khorne Codex, meaning it is usable for Codex: Daemons aswell. Which ofcourse, kinda makes sense. )

About time we got an answer to those pesky Imperial Knights without needing to tailor the whole army list.

sauce? haven't heard this yet.

 gigasnail wrote:

 RunicFIN wrote:
Apparently there is going to be a strenght D Bloodthirster variant ( and the rules should be coming from a WD, not the Khorne Codex, meaning it is usable for Codex: Daemons aswell. Which ofcourse, kinda makes sense. )

About time we got an answer to those pesky Imperial Knights without needing to tailor the whole army list.

sauce? haven't heard this yet.

Some guy commenting on Natfka claiming to have the White Dwarf. I won't buy that until I see it in the codex.

When asked for pictures he conveniently stopped posting. I'd love it to be true, but the odds seem pretty low to me.

thanks. those fries did seem pretty salty...

I don't see nothing wrong with the old zerkers. I've been kinda wanting some for awhile, the one bare headed guy looks dumb, but that's it.

the ones that aren't running are fine. the running ones are...pretty derpy. the kit has a lot of character, but some of the poses are just god awful.

still one of my favorite kits. was one of the first 40k purchases i made.

I built most Berserkers from my five 5th ed CSM battleforces (bought cheap during the British Pound crisis) lately and used artwork from all editions as a basis to give them good poses. They do look okay then. The GW Berserkers need to be mixed with standing legs from the other CSM kits and a frequent use of a hobby knife to cut more arm, weapon and helmet variants. The skull heads are atrocious. Use their 'ears' for converting other helmets.

In addition to Berserkers I made two Worldeater-Basic CSM squads out of the Berserker sprues and the other CSM kits, one squad armed with bolters/heavy bolter/plasma and another one with chainswords/pistols. If you use the running legs to, instead of actually running, pose them standing on rocks, skulls or whatever they look okay.

I also bought some WFB kits and added a few Rogue Trader and 2nd Ed metal minis to mix them into the squads. It helps. The plastic Berserker models - in the way they are officially built - are quite bad. But if you put them through Konversun' Klinic and get some quality inspiration from the web, GW art or fanart, they can look good. I entirely stopped buying those second-hand though. No interest in hacking the minis apart and fixing the gakky clown poses

 Azreal13 wrote:
If anyone is starting to think charitably about the Bezerkers, let me remind you that this


Is what they look like.

I like a lot of the CSM, probably more than the average person seems to, but these are just...

Ugh.


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Although, now I've thought "Hello Sailor" in the context of those running legs, I can't unthink it!

As I said, I fail to see the big problem. The detail grade is not astonishing but serviceable, the kit is quite big (good value for your money) and they at least resemble some sort of dynamic movement, as opposed to the typical semi-squat of marines.

I consider H.B.M.C.'s objection to be justified, lack of options is never a good idea, but seriously, the CSM range has bigger Problems. Havocs being the most prominent one. Followed by Noise Marines & 1kSons (the conversion parts aren't too great and the fact that you need a full kit and then the extra sprues is really limitting).

The CSM vehicle sprue is allso lacklustre. The overly long spikes may have looked funny and fitting in 2nd edition but right now they make your vehicles look like some sort of circus cars, with the regular CSM squads and again the havocs being the clowns. The contrast between them and say chosen or the new raptor-kit is so strong, you might think those are separate product lines.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Probably means repacking the existing Berzerkers from 12 to 10, with a price hike of course because reasons.

How would they do that? Hire someone to chew the sprues in half?

Pictures - Finally!







Source: Blog for the Blood God


Quality is bad - when will that change though?

I'm glad I'll only need 3 books to field what used to be a normal Chaos army.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm glad I'll only need 3 books to field what used to be a normal Chaos army.

Years of whining for unfluffy, boring "mono-God" armies finally managed to feth it up, I suppose.

It looks like only one book is needed if you want to play a 40k Khorne army. This is a standalone Codex like Harlequins

Warhams-77 wrote:
It looks only one is needed if you want to play a 40k Khorne army

But I don't. I want to play a fluffy army with lots of old-school infighting between Daemons and CSM-units of different gods. If I wanted mono-red-and-angry-without-intra-army-animosity, I'd play Blood Angels.

Wonderwolf wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It looks only one is needed if you want to play a 40k Khorne army

But I don't. I want to play a fluffy army with lots of old-school infighting between Daemons and CSM-units of different gods. If I wanted mono-red-and-angry-without-intra-army-animosity, I'd play Blood Angels.

... So use the two books you currently have to and hope they come out with a combined version down the track? This thread is clearly and entirely about a Khorne combined codex (And then by inference similar codices for the other gods.) Your point is quite irrelevant here.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It looks only one is needed if you want to play a 40k Khorne army

But I don't. I want to play a fluffy army with lots of old-school infighting between Daemons and CSM-units of different gods. If I wanted mono-red-and-angry-without-intra-army-animosity, I'd play Blood Angels.

... So use the two books you currently have to and hope they come out with a combined version down the track? This thread is clearly and entirely about a Khorne combined codex (And then by inference similar codices for the other gods.) Your point is quite irrelevant here.

No more irrelevant than the millions of posts about "mono-armies" in every single thread and discussion related to Chaos Space Marines in the last 25 years. That incessant whining obviously worked, so it couldn't have been for naught.

I think you mistake the demand for varied, fluffy options to create dedicated armies (as opposed to "d'uh, we have the 4 cult troops, use them more") for the demand to split it into more books. It may have turned that way since GW started making supplements but people wanted to have fluffy armies, not more books in the first place.

Now that I think about it:
You want demons and CSM in one list? You can allready do that. Take detachments or go unbound, it's not that big of a deal. Unless there will be some very specific new units or GW really wants to go for a 4-6 books of chaos approach, all this fancy new codex gives you boils down to some new relics (probably), warlord traits (most likely) and.... thats it.

With CSM and CD at your disposal, your troops choices were allready pretty broad - bloodletters, CSM, Berzerkers, Cultists and taking two detachments there's plenty of room to fit the toys you want, even without going unbound. So I do not think that the gain in organizational freedom is in a good corellation to the price of a new dex.

Wonderwolf wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It looks only one is needed if you want to play a 40k Khorne army

But I don't. I want to play a fluffy army with lots of old-school infighting between Daemons and CSM-units of different gods. If I wanted mono-red-and-angry-without-intra-army-animosity, I'd play Blood Angels.

What about this new codex will prevent you from doing this? You still have perfectly valid access to the same books you currently have. Giving those players who do want to run mono-god armies a more viable way to play isn't a bad thing.

I'm so looking forward to another book that dumps a whole bunch of rules onto units increasing their killing potential while doing absolutely nothing to fix the actual problem with most assault units- lack of a delivery system. If Kharne's Butcher-Horde is any indication, we'll get rules allowing units to re-roll 1's on failed to-hit/wounds, maybe some combat resolution buffs or extra attacks, and the issue of 90% of assault units simply failing to make it into combat before getting shot to pieces will in all likelyhood go conveniently ignored.

Let's hope I'm wrong.

I get the impression this new book would be a form of stand-alone supplement book, much as the Crimson Slaughter and Black Legion ones were.

I doubt that it will become the main Chaos Codex / Daemons Codex unless it is super successful. I expect GW to look at the sales and decide what to do. It's likely to make more money having the two current codices and additional supplements.

I'm a little hopeful for a Tzeentch codex as I'm fond of the Thousand Sons. Nurgle is very common though I do have a 1.5K Plague Marine army so I could be tempted if it was an interesting and tactically challenging addition that made the game more varied.

I'm not bothered about Khorne, I appreciate many like him and yes it's much easier to start with Khorne / Nurgle. I only hope that they don't neglect Tzeentch and Slaanesh.


If there was a good Slaanesh book.... it could very well be the lure to encourage me to start a new force. As long as it's not just 'noise marines and daemonettes' without anything new or inspiring

 Quarterdime wrote:
Oh, and of course the current berserker models look like diarrhea. Have you seen the Thousand Sons? The Plague Marines?

This is a problem, how exactly?

 Wulfmar wrote:

If there was a good Slaanesh book.... it could very well be the lure to encourage me to start a new force. As long as it's not just 'noise marines and daemonettes' without anything new or inspiring

For that you'd need good slaanesh models first. The demonettes are the only nice looking models in the range. You could argue that the chariots are also nice, but chariots in a futuristic setting just don't cut it for me, and everything else is just eyes-gougingly ugly.
As for the CSM part - the only thing you have are the Noise marine upgrade sprues, and buying a bunch of regular (pretty dated) CSMs and then some (equally aged) sprues on top of that is just prohibitive.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Oh, and of course the current berserker models look like diarrhea.

Suppose they'll be better at running then?

Hur hur...

 Kosake wrote:

For that you'd need good slaanesh models first. The demonettes are the only nice looking models in the range. You could argue that the chariots are also nice, but chariots in a futuristic setting just don't cut it for me, and everything else is just eyes-gougingly ugly.
As for the CSM part - the only thing you have are the Noise marine upgrade sprues, and buying a bunch of regular (pretty dated) CSMs and then some (equally aged) sprues on top of that is just prohibitive.

Aye I'm in the same boat with these chariots. I'm really not a fan of them. I'm not too worried about the models as there are awesome alternatives out there. Forgeworld do some great Noise Marines and Raging Heroes have the Preying Mantis Warriors as alternatives for the Daemonettes. I'm more thinking of some new units (I don't know what, but something wriggly and pinkish-purple will do)

I mean, the chariots are fine in fantasy, but in 40k? Come on, those things look like I could take them down with a lasgun on energy-saving mode, nevermind actual firepower.

The Slaanesh cult really needs some new units there. And just making it wriggly and pink is probably not the solution (for me, that's more of a Tzeench aesthetic, just add a beak or some feathers).
Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

I think there could be more development of a sort of beast aspect to Slaanesh daemons, half snake creatures, Centaurs, minotaurs, that sort of thing could carve a niche for Slaanesh.

 Kosake wrote:

Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

No, that's the last thing Slaanesh needs.

Slaanesh is a God of Excess, not God Of Boobies.

There's plenty of scope for excess in all sorts of ways, plus all the other senses other than touch (because touch=sex=boobies)

 Kosake wrote:
I mean, the chariots are fine in fantasy, but in 40k? Come on, those things look like I could take them down with a lasgun on energy-saving mode, nevermind actual firepower.

The Slaanesh cult really needs some new units there. And just making it wriggly and pink is probably not the solution (for me, that's more of a Tzeench aesthetic, just add a beak or some feathers).
Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

Eh? I didn't disagree with you?

I just wrote pink/purple and wriggly as I didn't want an alternative, more to the point phrase

I apologise if this has been brought up already (I can't be bothered reading through the other pages) but could this finally be the time when we see new Khorne Berserkers?

I've never been a Khorne fan, but even I would fall on my knees and weep with joy if new Berserkers were brought out.

I wonder...

If this codex is Khornate daemons and marines, is it possible that once each god has a book they'll declare the Daemons and Chaos Marines codices obsolete?

No new Berzerkers.

As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either.

Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5.

If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.

Sad Panda wrote:
No new Berzerkers.

As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either.

Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5.

If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.

Where and how did you get this information?

This is the original rumor from Sad Panda posted on January 9 2015. It was also supported by Darnok here and on Warseer. A few days later Bols and Natfka had rumors as well, telling us there will be Berserkers on Juggernauts, a new Berserker kit etc. This is not correct. Next week is AdMech 40k from GW. This week's preorders got already leaked. The original Sad Panda rumor turned out to be 100% correct though - like his Harlequin rumors. And he specificially mentioned there won't be updated models

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Jan 2015
In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes.

It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc..

It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs).

The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants). TRUE

There is no "main" Codex CSM in 2015. There are no nurgle, tzeentch, etc. equivalents to this khorne one planned (yet), as it's mostly an End Times add-on to make the new Bloodthirster with all its variants work in 40K.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/630351.page#7492050


Edit: Darnok responded on Dakka to Panda's rumor as well

 Wulfmar wrote:

Sad Panda wrote:
No new Berzerkers.

As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either.

Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5.

If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.

Where and how did you get this information?

You're unlikely to get an answer, but everything yet posted by Sad Panda has, I believe, been not only true, but pretty accurate time wise as well, so it is pretty bankable at this point n

Bout time....

Cool okay.

It's a shame if there's no Tzeentch/Slaanesh/Nurgle variant. Khone is the least exciting (from my point of view) and just screams 'possessed and bloodletters'.

I, and many others are likely getting rumours mixed up - such as sources like this one:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/csm-rumors-cult-marines-kits-on-the-way.html

 Wulfmar wrote:
Cool okay.

It's a shame if there's no Tzeentch/Slaanesh/Nurgle variant. Khone is the least exciting (from my point of view) and just screams 'possessed and bloodletters'.

I, and many others are likely getting rumours mixed up - such as sources like this one:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/csm-rumors-cult-marines-kits-on-the-way.html

BOLS has been peddling new Chaos rumors for months now. Remember the new plastic Chosen (or was it Havocs) before Crimson Slaughter came out?

Wulfmar, yes this site is posting stuff like that again and again with 2/3 and more times not being correct. It confuses and is also playing with people's hopes.

This thread helps to find older rumors and provides information how reliable the sites and/or sources turned out to be

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/448304.page

Sad Panda wrote:
No new Berzerkers.

As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either.

Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5.

If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.

If so, then I continue to be content to leave the GW portion of my "unpainted" pile to rot for a while.

Interesting. Sad Panda is turning out to be quite reliable.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

No, that's the last thing Slaanesh needs.

Slaanesh is a God of Excess, not God Of Boobies.

There's plenty of scope for excess in all sorts of ways, plus all the other senses other than touch (because touch=sex=boobies)

Fluffwise, I agree with you. However, you need some sort of unique look for the demons. "Excessive muscles/stereotypical horned demons" is taken by Khorne. "Excessively obese/damaged/rotting" is taken by Nurgle. "Use ALL THE ANIMAL PARTS" is taken by Tzeench. There is not much to work with, if you say that excessive sexualization is a no-go. You could take inspiration from the demons in some non-european culture, but half of them a just slowed and the other half does not lend themselves well for the role or are too similar.

Besides, whatever GW may say in order to appease the sort of people who complain about a stray nipple in a setting where billions are driven mad, butchered, skinned, sacrificed or sumarilly executed, the chaos gods have their distinct themes. Agression, Dead&Decay, Insanity and yes, sexual excess, because those are the primarry triggers for acute fears or however the psychoanalysts here care do label it.

So yeah. For me, Slaanesh is essentially the God of Boobies and GW will have a hard time to change that.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Quality is bad - when will that change though?

I think it's become a street cred thing. Even if you can take good pictures, you know all the cool leakers are taking bad ones.

 Kosake wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

No, that's the last thing Slaanesh needs.

Slaanesh is a God of Excess, not God Of Boobies.

There's plenty of scope for excess in all sorts of ways, plus all the other senses other than touch (because touch=sex=boobies)

Fluffwise, I agree with you. However, you need some sort of unique look for the demons. "Excessive muscles/stereotypical horned demons" is taken by Khorne. "Excessively obese/damaged/rotting" is taken by Nurgle. "Use ALL THE ANIMAL PARTS" is taken by Tzeench. There is not much to work with, if you say that excessive sexualization is a no-go. You could take inspiration from the demons in some non-european culture, but half of them a just slowed and the other half does not lend themselves well for the role or are too similar.

Besides, whatever GW may say in order to appease the sort of people who complain about a stray nipple in a setting where billions are driven mad, butchered, skinned, sacrificed or sumarilly executed, the chaos gods have their distinct themes. Agression, Dead&Decay, Insanity and yes, sexual excess, because those are the primarry triggers for acute fears or however the psychoanalysts here care do label it.

So yeah. For me, Slaanesh is essentially the God of Boobies and GW will have a hard time to change that.

I'd much rather they used the likes of Cenobites from Hellraiser or basically anything that comes out of Guillermo Del Toro's head as design touchstones than baps everywhere, but I guess it's debatable if that's more or less controversial than nipples.

Looks like Steve the Warboss is wrong again...

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Feb 2015
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
-New Khorne Berzerker Box FALSE
-Khorne Berzerker on Moloch Box FALSE
-Chaos Lord of Khorne Clam Pack FALSE

 pretre wrote:
Looks like Steve the Warboss is wrong again...

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Feb 2015
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
-New Khorne Berzerker Box FALSE
-Khorne Berzerker on Moloch Box FALSE
-Chaos Lord of Khorne Clam Pack FALSE

Did he say when those models where going to drop? There has been speculation of possible model releases at a later date (sometime after Ad Mech).

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Looks like Steve the Warboss is wrong again...

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Feb 2015
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
-New Khorne Berzerker Box FALSE
-Khorne Berzerker on Moloch Box FALSE
-Chaos Lord of Khorne Clam Pack FALSE

Did he say when those models where going to drop? There has been speculation of possible model releases at a later date (sometime after Ad Mech).

Nope, he said they were part of the Khorne release. I'd be more than happy to update it if they come out in the future.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'd much rather they used the likes of Cenobites from Hellraiser or basically anything that comes out of Guillermo Del Toro's head as design touchstones than baps everywhere, but I guess it's debatable if that's more or less controversial than nipples.

Taken allready by Dark Eldar. How about some sort of horrible Bugmonsters? Oh wait, Tyranids. Cyborgs or demonic machines? Mechanicum (confirmed) and lots of CSM stuff has you covered.

You see? It's not that we actively need a boob-toting faction, it's just that most of the usual tropes are covered by other armies. Reinventing Slaanesh is a really difficult tast that'll hardly be solved without tons of research (or some geek of say siberian mythology wandering in and giving the perfect solution, but how often does that happen?).
And again, in a setting that consists of equal parts cruelty and bruatity, some cleavage is the least of the "horrible" things, so I wouldn't mind the demons going over the top here. Reduces the chances for sororitas ending up in power bikinis.

Also, whose bright idea was it that (retar ded) is such a nasty word that it has to be censored? Seriously?

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Looks like Steve the Warboss is wrong again...

Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Feb 2015
via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
-New Khorne Berzerker Box FALSE
-Khorne Berzerker on Moloch Box FALSE
-Chaos Lord of Khorne Clam Pack FALSE

Did he say when those models where going to drop? There has been speculation of possible model releases at a later date (sometime after Ad Mech).

Nope, he said they were part of the Khorne release. I'd be more than happy to update it if they come out in the future.

Fair enough. I was just curious because this is a release I haven't been tracking that closely.

Fair enough. I also put paid to the silly Long War rumors from 2014 that were also false.

I wonder what this does for Allies levels, since CSM and Daemons have different matrices. Will we have to measure on a unit-by-unit basis for One Eye Open? Or will it have its own allies matrix?

It'd be interesting to see what this means for the future of CSM and Daemons. There was already talks of CSM getting a new book this year... maybe the Codex gets stripped down to something simple, just the basic units, and you're expected to pick up a "Cult Book" for the rest. I mean, that would suck for the wallets, but it would be interesting.

I imagine it'll have a new matrix.

For a Slaanesh theme, what about self-mutilation? It'd a big thing in the art; surgical alteration and some such, fits into the pain into pleasure theme that's often used.

You don't need to use boobs for Slaanesh all the time.

 pretre wrote:
I imagine it'll have a new matrix.

Really?

I guess if they actully allow daemons and marines to join in units (unlikely) they need a new matrix;
otherwise you just look at unit by unit how they act around allies, right?

 MajorStoffer wrote:
For a Slaanesh theme, what about self-mutilation? It'd a big thing in the art; surgical alteration and some such, fits into the pain into pleasure theme that's often used.

You don't need to use boobs for Slaanesh all the time.

I was about to write something similar - conceptually Dark Eldar do stuff to other people, whereas Slaaneshi devotees do it to themselves, DE do it to stay alive, Slaaneshi devotees do it because it feels good (apparently.)

There's enough wriggle room to represent the two things very differently, despite the superficial similarities.

But!

We are debating Slaanesh in a thread about a Khorne themed release, so we are somewhat OT.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
For a Slaanesh theme, what about self-mutilation? It'd a big thing in the art; surgical alteration and some such, fits into the pain into pleasure theme that's often used.

You don't need to use boobs for Slaanesh all the time.

I kind of want the Heresy era EC style Slaanesh. That sleek regal purple, with clean white and gold just seems like a good representation.

But maybe it's just me.

EDIT: Of course the EC were into body modification and if you read the Kharn story the EC in it has scars from a multitude of carefully made cuts all over his body as well as the ability to peel his face back, splay his jawbone open like the Predator and unleash a sonic attack.

So yeah, you can mix that in there too.

Not just you, I'm working on a CSM 40K force right now using that colour scheme.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
For a Slaanesh theme, what about self-mutilation? It'd a big thing in the art; surgical alteration and some such, fits into the pain into pleasure theme that's often used.

You don't need to use boobs for Slaanesh all the time.

Or just go with the "sound" theme they already got going.
Daemonettes look like some mytological horror that lure men to their death with weird alluring singing, and the lobster claws tie them well to the
nautical theme of such horrors in actual mythology -and at the same time incorporate the main theme of classic daemonettes.
No need to change alot here.

I hold the white dwarf in my hands. Theres a lot of information about Deamonkin in it :-)

Blood for the Blood God Rule

For every Unit that is killed enemy or friend you gain a Blood point for it.
You can spend your points once a turn to summon some daemons or give some cool abilities to your guys(fnp is mentioned).
For 8 Points you will get a Bloodthirster for free.

Units

Nearly every CSM unit is metioned except obliterators and psi-guys.
Every khorne daemon is in there.

They are talking about different formations with different skills.

 Warboss85 wrote:
I hold the white dwarf in my hands. Theres a lot of information about Deamonkin in it :-)

Take pics? Post details?

Sounds like people are going to lean towards MSU with this dex. Lots of cheap cultists filling up troop slots to run forward and get killed to gather up points. If the enemy doesn't kill the cheap units, then the cheap units cap points and such. If they do, they'll find a free bloodthirster in their face.

That sounds cool. Odd they'd add in point tallies after streamlining a similar mechanic in Dark Eldar.

Here are the new Bloodthirster profiles for 40k.

 Warboss85 wrote:
I hold the white dwarf in my hands. Theres a lot of information about Deamonkin in it :-)

Blood for the Blood God Rule

For every Unit that is killed enemy or friend you gain a Blood point for it.
You can spend your points once a turn to summon some daemons or give some cool abilities to your guys(fnp is mentioned).
For 8 Points you will get a Bloodthirster for free.

Units

Nearly every CSM unit is metioned except obliterators and psi-guys.
Every khorne daemon is in there.

They are talking about different formations with different skills.

Hmmm

It's highly unlikely, but what would happen if instead of having that big CSM update they were talking about this year, there were just 4 CSM books, each based on different Cults (the way Loyalists have Space Wolves/Blood Angels/Dark Angels)? If every model aside from "Not Khorne-y" guys are in there, it could be a possibility. Heck, they could roll Daemons into it too.

Of course, people would be pissed over the prospect of having to buy up to 4 books to play what they have now, but we've sorta already seen that with Grey Knights becoming GK + Assassins + Inquisition.

Can't see how the vaurious features of Slaanesh in general already being present in other armies matters at all. So what?

And so much for the strenght D 'thirster weapon and the rules coming from a WD being salty that I talked about earlier. It's right there in that picture. Sometimes you should just have some faith.

Yes is S D but with initiative 1

Indeed. Irrelevant to the point however. Thanks for the pictures Warboss85.

Blood for the Blood God.

You might want to rehost them somewhere else...

 RunicFIN wrote:
Can't see how the vaurious features of Slaanesh in general already being present in other armies matters at all. So what?

I agree. Slaanesh would be insect-appendices (Nids or no-nids) combined with some Dark-Eldarly stuff and general (non-boob) female body-shapes, all put into a giant H.R. Giger blender, along with some Fulgrim Pink paint.

No more overlap than Thousand Sons and Necrons with their Egypt-schtick, and probably less in the specific combination.

 Warboss85 wrote:
Yes is S D but with initiative 1

What gives it I1?

The rule right below it that says it strikes at Init 1.

Thanks a lot, Warboss! Very much appreciated

I read last night that these datasheets are actually for the Chaos Daemons book. The ones in the Khorne Daemonkin Codex could differ. Does it say anything about that in the White Dwarf?

Thanks again for taking the time to chime in

 pretre wrote:
The rule right below it that says it strikes at Init 1.

Fair enough. I was asking because I don't read German.

I was going to rehost the images but I wasn't fast enough in trying save them.

This looks to be pretty sweet. When I got into 40k, I wanted to make a fully Khorne army, and I think this is the excuse I need to get started. I just need to finish up my current GK army I'm working on, and its on to this. I don't even care if the rules suck.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks a lot, Warboss! Very much appreciated

I read last night that these datasheets are actually for the Chaos Daemons book. The ones in the Khorne Daemonkin Codex could differ. Does it say anything about that in the White Dwarf?

Thanks again for taking the time to chime in

I'd like to know this also so I may prematurely rejoice about the fact I can now utterly decimate an Imperial Knight with ease.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
The rule right below it that says it strikes at Init 1.

Fair enough. I was asking because I don't read German.

I was going to rehost the images but I wasn't fast enough in trying save them.

Check your cache.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks a lot, Warboss! Very much appreciated

I read last night that these datasheets are actually for the Chaos Daemons book. The ones in the Khorne Daemonkin Codex could differ. Does it say anything about that in the White Dwarf?

Thanks again for taking the time to chime in

Just that this 3 profiles are only for Chaos Daemons nothing else. So can be different for Daemonkin

 Warboss85 wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks a lot, Warboss! Very much appreciated

I read last night that these datasheets are actually for the Chaos Daemons book. The ones in the Khorne Daemonkin Codex could differ. Does it say anything about that in the White Dwarf?

Thanks again for taking the time to chime in

Just that this 3 profiles are only for Chaos Daemons nothing else. So can be different for Daemonkin

First I was like:
https://youtu.be/wpKN-U1-bWk?t=29s

Then I was like:
https://youtu.be/MPMqzuvTpPI?t=48s

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
The rule right below it that says it strikes at Init 1.

Fair enough. I was asking because I don't read German.

I was going to rehost the images but I wasn't fast enough in trying save them.

Check your cache.

reupped

Thank you for rehosting I now saw that the Daemon symbol is on the sheets too so we can use them straight away with the Daemon Codex.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Re-hosted to imgur just in case anyone needs it:

Spoiler:

Those are tiny and awful, just use Imgur like a regular person.

Hmmm... Looking like the book is actually a codex and not just a supplement. Interesting. I can't say I'm too happy about having to purchase yet another fething book, but I suppose this could lead to good things.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
The rule right below it that says it strikes at Init 1.

Fair enough. I was asking because I don't read German.

I was going to rehost the images but I wasn't fast enough in trying save them.

Check your cache.

I'll give it a go. Currently on a public computer so it might not pan out.
EDIT: pretre beat me too it. Re-hosted to imgur just in case.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Those are tiny and awful, just use Imgur like a regular person.

They expand if you click the link. Or if you link to them directly, like the post right before you.

 Kosake wrote:
I mean, the chariots are fine in fantasy, but in 40k? Come on, those things look like I could take them down with a lasgun on energy-saving mode, nevermind actual firepower.

The Slaanesh cult really needs some new units there. And just making it wriggly and pink is probably not the solution (for me, that's more of a Tzeench aesthetic, just add a beak or some feathers).
Lets be honest for a moment. Slaanesh needs more tits, which is precisely the reason why our prude purveyor of plastic doesn't have even a mediocre selection of units in the first place and of those half seem to have been designed during 3rd edition at best.

yep

Chariot for daemon is such a boring concept. They could have relased cool fiends of slaanesh, who at least are pretty unique look wise, yet, they had to wast a few sprue on these unispiring chariot. Sometimes, it seems like GW doesn't have any imagination, and only can make variation of the same trope.

 pretre wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Those are tiny and awful, just use Imgur like a regular person.

They expand if you click the link. Or if you link to them directly, like the post right before you.

I can't even click the little broken boxes.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I can't even click the little broken boxes.

Workblock?

 RunicFIN wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks a lot, Warboss! Very much appreciated

I read last night that these datasheets are actually for the Chaos Daemons book. The ones in the Khorne Daemonkin Codex could differ. Does it say anything about that in the White Dwarf?

Thanks again for taking the time to chime in

I'd like to know this also so I may prematurely rejoice about the fact I can now utterly decimate an Imperial Knight with ease.

well an imperial knight is going to be hitting you first since the axe hits at initiative 1, hopefully some of the rewards in the new codex help with survivability

Re-hosted to imgur just in case anyone needs it:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Re-hosted to imgur just in case anyone needs it:

Spoiler:

I'll just use yours then.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Re-hosted to imgur just in case anyone needs it:

Spoiler:

I'll just use yours then.

Works for me!

 akwing00 wrote:

 RunicFIN wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks a lot, Warboss! Very much appreciated

I read last night that these datasheets are actually for the Chaos Daemons book. The ones in the Khorne Daemonkin Codex could differ. Does it say anything about that in the White Dwarf?

Thanks again for taking the time to chime in

I'd like to know this also so I may prematurely rejoice about the fact I can now utterly decimate an Imperial Knight with ease.

well an imperial knight is going to be hitting you first since the axe hits at initiative 1, hopefully some of the rewards in the new codex help with survivability

Having WS10 and 5 wounds helps. I don't need to give him but one unit to aid and the Knight will be gone. And I have plenty of Invis to throw around unless the BT can't for some reason benefit from it. Don't worry about me, Knights will be dying left and right now.

Does anyone have translatioins on the Blood Thirsters?

 RunicFIN wrote:

 akwing00 wrote:

 RunicFIN wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks a lot, Warboss! Very much appreciated

I read last night that these datasheets are actually for the Chaos Daemons book. The ones in the Khorne Daemonkin Codex could differ. Does it say anything about that in the White Dwarf?

Thanks again for taking the time to chime in

I'd like to know this also so I may prematurely rejoice about the fact I can now utterly decimate an Imperial Knight with ease.

well an imperial knight is going to be hitting you first since the axe hits at initiative 1, hopefully some of the rewards in the new codex help with survivability

Having WS10 and 6 wounds helps. I don't need to give him but one unit to aid and the Knight will be gone. And I have plenty of Invis to throw around unless the BT can't for some reason benefit from it. Don't worry about me, Knights will be dying left and right now.

As hard as you will be to hit, all he needs is a D attack of 6 though. Going before a Knight or having multiple bodies to soak attacks is pretty good.

W is Toughness in German.

What do Stormtrooper and Berzerker refer to in the German rules?

Is the Great Axe two handed? Because taking a reward to grant him both a bonus attack and the option to strike at I9 instead of D for flexibility seems a no brainer.

Hollismason wrote:
Does anyone have translatioins on the Blood Thirsters?

German is basically English read with a German accent, it's pretty readable.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
W is Toughness in German.

True yeah.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
W is Toughness in German.

What do Stormtrooper and Berzerker refer to in the German rules?

Shocktruppen is almost definitely Deep Strike and Bezerker I'm guessing is Rage.

Anyway that 300 point one seems pretty insane, it looks like they still get Daemonic Gifts in addition to their Wargear they come with which is pretty insane.

Very Beatsticky.

I assume it's still legal to use the slightly older finecast Bloodthirster?

And can you summon the new ones with Possession?

Don't DoK come with Rage already? I'm hoping Rampage.

 undertow wrote:
I assume it's still legal to use the slightly older finecast Bloodthirster?

And can you summon the new ones with Possession?

I imagine the old Bloodthirster is just a Bloodthirster (see Codex: Chaos Daemons) the new ones are the new names. Hence different models with different statlines and not summonable through Possession.

It sounds like with the Blood Points their bringing back the old school summoning stuff from 2nd edition, which is par for the course as GW has been consistently bringing back 2nd edition rules.

Still though gotta destroy 8 units, that's gonna be tough.

 undertow wrote:
I assume it's still legal to use the slightly older finecast Bloodthirster?

And can you summon the new ones with Possession?

With the different names it's probably meant to be different, like you have a generic Bloodthirster and these will be separate, unique ones. Though I'm sure as long as it's clear what's what no one would have a problem with you using either.

Requizen wrote:

 RunicFIN wrote:

 akwing00 wrote:

 RunicFIN wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks a lot, Warboss! Very much appreciated

I read last night that these datasheets are actually for the Chaos Daemons book. The ones in the Khorne Daemonkin Codex could differ. Does it say anything about that in the White Dwarf?

Thanks again for taking the time to chime in

I'd like to know this also so I may prematurely rejoice about the fact I can now utterly decimate an Imperial Knight with ease.

well an imperial knight is going to be hitting you first since the axe hits at initiative 1, hopefully some of the rewards in the new codex help with survivability

Having WS10 and 6 wounds helps. I don't need to give him but one unit to aid and the Knight will be gone. And I have plenty of Invis to throw around unless the BT can't for some reason benefit from it. Don't worry about me, Knights will be dying left and right now.

As hard as you will be to hit, all he needs is a D attack of 6 though. Going before a Knight or having multiple bodies to soak attacks is pretty good.

if the new khorne codex's rewards are pretty good, hopefully these Bloodthirster variants will have access to them, otherwise I'll just be taking the usual 2 greater rewards and 1 lesser from the Daemon codex

Disappointed we are not seeing any animosity rumours in regards to other Chaos Gods. Wonder if that'll be a thing.

Also incredibly disappointing there isn't going to be any more of these and only Khorne is getting this treatment.

:(

Berserker: +2 Attacks on the Charge

Schocktruppen is indeed Deep Strike

Hollismason wrote:
Disappointed we are not seeing any animosity rumours in regards to other Chaos Gods. Wonder if that'll be a thing.

Also incredibly disappointing there isn't going to be any more of these and only Khorne is getting this treatment.

:(

No one has said that it's only Khorne. This is probably just the first one of a series.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Don't DoK come with Rage already? I'm hoping Rampage.

DoK gives FC and Hatred (Slaanesh).

Requizen wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Disappointed we are not seeing any animosity rumours in regards to other Chaos Gods. Wonder if that'll be a thing.

Also incredibly disappointing there isn't going to be any more of these and only Khorne is getting this treatment.

:(

No one has said that it's only Khorne. This is probably just the first one of a series.

I doubt it since we're not seeing any rumours of late for Slaanesh, Nurgle, or Tzeentch. I seriously doubt Tzeentch will get a codex , Slaanesh will get a Codex, and Nurgle will get a Codex. It's just not going to happen.

Warboss85, is there some new artwork shown in the Codex description photos? I fear this is a low-budget product like Crusade of Fire/Kreuzzug des Feuers...

Will the Codex contain the complete rules for the Khorne units included like we guessed?

Hollismason wrote:

Requizen wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Disappointed we are not seeing any animosity rumours in regards to other Chaos Gods. Wonder if that'll be a thing.

Also incredibly disappointing there isn't going to be any more of these and only Khorne is getting this treatment.

:(

No one has said that it's only Khorne. This is probably just the first one of a series.

I doubt it since we're not seeing any rumours of late for Slaanesh, Nurgle, or Tzeentch. I seriously doubt Tzeentch will get a codex , Slaanesh will get a Codex, and Nurgle will get a Codex. It's just not going to happen.

Again, see Sad Panda's post on page 4. He was right on with Khorne and has been a reliable source otherwise.

Requizen wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Disappointed we are not seeing any animosity rumours in regards to other Chaos Gods. Wonder if that'll be a thing.

Also incredibly disappointing there isn't going to be any more of these and only Khorne is getting this treatment.

:(

No one has said that it's only Khorne. This is probably just the first one of a series.

Please read the Sad Panda posts on page 4. There are no plans for other books. He is a reliable source

Edit: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/640191.page#7679152

Got Ninja'd by Mr Gorgon

He specifically states that it's not going ot happen, that this was a sales grab because of the Khorne releases for End times.

Dang. This does not augur well for my CSM...

 Warboss85 wrote:
Here are the new Bloodthirster profiles for 40k.

THANKYOU!

But... German. Hmm...

[EDIT]: Ah, nice to see this enormous model is still T6 in all its incarnations. Keep on being scared of T7+ GW...

Well that suckerinos. I was all excited for some Nurgle stuff.

Wait until you see rumours for the next release of a plastic Greater Daemon before calling it confirmed we won't get other books, obvious company leak guy or no.

Any benefits worth noting on the formations Warboss85?

Cheers very much Warboss! If only GCSE German gave me the power to translate those pages.

Might aswell add em to the front page.

I'm more curious about the Blood Token system, I wonder if its all units or just non vehicle units and what's the requirements etc..

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time there has ever been a Codex release that didn't have a model release along side it (WD Sisters and Blood Angel Codices do not count)?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time there has ever been a Codex release that didn't have a model release along side it (WD Sisters and Blood Angel Codices do not count)?

The most recent Grey Knights?

Yes. All they got was a reboxing.

Requizen wrote:
Well that suckerinos. I was all excited for some Nurgle stuff.

Maybe whenever GW gets around to making new kits for those Greater Daemons in plastic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time there has ever been a Codex release that didn't have a model release along side it (WD Sisters and Blood Angel Codices do not count)?

That depends on if you count the "Warhammer: Khaine" book as a Codex/Army Book or not.

I would say that this one not coming with models is a technicality at best as the new Bloodthirsters came out two weeks ago or so.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yes. All they got was a reboxing.

So this isn't really anything new... Interesting, I like the idea of simple faction/codex adds.

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time there has ever been a Codex release that didn't have a model release along side it (WD Sisters and Blood Angel Codices do not count)?

The most recent Grey Knights?

I was going to say Dark Eldar, but then I remembered that they got their bomber finally.

It is an odd codex. I wonder if they're testing the waters to see if it sells well before going full in on the idea with the other gods and dedicated releases?

 pretre wrote:
So this isn't really anything new... Interesting, I like the idea of simple faction/codex adds.

Really expensive hardback faction/Codex add-ons that jumble a bunch of units from other books together, fixing none of the existing flaws. Sure. We need more of these.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Warboss85, is there some new artwork shown in the Codex description photos? I fear this is a low-budget product like Crusade of Fire/Kreuzzug des Feuers...

Will the Codex contain the complete rules for the Khorne units included like we guessed?

Yes there are a few new artworks in the codex. But in the wd i just can see the little preview.
And yes there will be full profiles in it.
The Khorne mission objectives sounds funny. Kill something and get a victory point. kill more and get more victory points, so simple :-)

Can we get some translations on these from Ze Germans.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So this isn't really anything new... Interesting, I like the idea of simple faction/codex adds.

Really expensive hardback faction/Codex add-ons that jumble a bunch of units from other books together, fixing none of the existing flaws. Sure. We need more of these.

Exactly!

I do like some new artwork.

Hollismason wrote:
I'm more curious about the Blood Token system, I wonder if its all units or just non vehicle units and what's the requirements etc..

For the Blood token system they mention in wd that EVERY killed unit give you 1 token. The point is that you loose all the points when you dont use all that you have.
For example you have 2 points then summoning 8 Bloodletters for 1 point you will loose the other one.

Hollismason wrote:
Can we get some translations on these from Ze Germans.

There isnt much to translate, not having my codex daemons at hand, seems the 250 pts one is just a BT, the 275 has the BIG axe of khorne which is Str D but has colossal rule which makes it I1, the special rules seems to be exactly the same as the current BT for these 2.

The 300 pts one has besides those rules Hatred enemy characters, also comes with two weapons, Axe of Khorne and Bloodflail (sp?), it has a S5 AP4 flamer with soulblaze (awesome rule) and his flail can be used as a range weapon as well 12" S7 AP2 assault 3, and in close combat is Str User Ap2, Nahkampf = Close combat and spezielle is special but dunno what the second word is

Danke! New artwork - yes! So looking forward to the digital previews on friday night... cannot wait... my precious


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I will translate the two missing rules, gimme five minutes

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Can we get some translations on these from Ze Germans.

The 300 pts one has besides those rules Hatred enemy characters, also comes with two weapons, Axe of Khorne and Bloodflail (sp?), it has a S5 AP4 flamer with soulblaze (awesome rule) and his flail can be used as a range weapon as well 12" S7 AP2 assault 3, and in close combat is Str User Ap2, Nahkampf = Close combat and spezielle is special but dunno what the second word is

Looks like that last one is "specialist weapon".

Yah, probably specialist weapon, forgot that rule existed, haven't played 40k in a while, also the 300 one has adamantium will

Hrmm be interesting if they bring back the 8 person squads get X bonus again that'd be kicking awesome.

 Lord Yayula wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Can we get some translations on these from Ze Germans.

There isnt much to translate, not having my codex daemons at hand, seems the 200 pts one is just a BT, the 275 has the BIG axe of khorne which is Str D but has colossal rule which makes it I1, the special rules seems to be exactly the same as the current BT for these 2.

The 300 pts one has besides those rules Hatred enemy characters, also comes with two weapons, Axe of Khorne and Bloodflail (sp?), it has a S5 AP4 flamer with soulblaze (awesome rule) and his flail can be used as a range weapon as well 12" S7 AP2 assault 3, and in close combat is Str User Ap2, Nahkampf = Close combat and spezielle is special but dunno what the second word is

The weapon rules

Great Axe of Khorne (Grosse Axt des Khorne)

R- / Strength D / AP 2 / Melee, Colossal

Colossal: A model with this weapon piles in and attacks at Initiative step 1


Blood flail (Blutflegel) (2 profiles)

R 12" / S 7 / AP 2 / Assault D3
R- / S Bearer / AP 2 / Melee, Specialist Weapon (Like Lightning claws)


Hellfire (Höllenfeuer)

Template / S 5 / AP 4 / Assault 1, Soulblaze

Oh, W3 is D3, that's sad assault 3 S7 Ap2 seemed really nice, guess Assault 2 on average is good as well

Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

It's wouldn't be redundant as Monstrous Creatures ignore Unwieldly. This is Unwieldly but for MC's.

Blog for the Blood God has [poor quality] copies of the English rules:



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 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

No, it's a new rule. If it was Unwieldy they wouldn't need to define it as it's in the core rulebook, and is ignored by MCs anyways.

Seems MCs are getting their own special Unwieldy instead.

That's incredibly nasty to have that many attacks on the charge with a ST D weapon, with the addition that you can add Daemonic Gifts from the The Chaos Daemon Codex.

Woo. That's pretty intense.

They certainly made him a Close Combat Beast.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

It's wouldn't be redundant as Monstrous Creatures ignore Unwieldly. This is Unwieldly but for MC's.

Ah, of course.


I guess it's debatable whether adding a new rule or just making this an exception to the usual exemption for MCs is more straightforward.

the bloodthirster of insensate rage would make good use of the riftbringer and soul eater exalted rewards with that D weapon. He could also potentially get rampage from unholy frenzy for even more attacks.

 Azreal13 wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

It's wouldn't be redundant as Monstrous Creatures ignore Unwieldly. This is Unwieldly but for MC's.

Ah, of course.


I guess it's debatable whether adding a new rule or just making this an exception to the usual exemption for MCs is more straightforward.

Making it a weapon rule means they could give it out to walkers, Super-Heavies, MCs and GCs without needing to put excemptions into the rules for it. I dig the idea because they could use it to clean other things up (like Stomp perhaps).

Hollismason wrote:
That's incredibly nasty to have that many attacks on the charge with a ST D weapon, with the addition that you can add Daemonic Gifts from the The Chaos Daemon Codex.

Woo. That's pretty intense.

It's not a specialist weapon and all the gift weapons are, so getting a bonus attack is out.

Plus side, I guess you can still theoretically attack at initiative with a gift weapon. With rage on the first turn.

A thought occurred to me that would be fairly hilarious. As this is Dakka Dakka, I'm sure many will agree GW has a tendency for rules mistakes.

Now imagine if they forgot to demand that the Daemonkin have to be the Primary Detachment in order to receive their armywide special rule.

Take a Chaos Daemons summoning factory, already deemed broken by many. Ally the Daemonkin to them. Summon a ridicilous amount of units to beginwith. Some units die. Summon even more.

A distinct lack of Eternal Warrior here. I'm not familiar with Daemons though so do they have some way to prevent Instant Death or are these guys doomed to die against Psylencers and the like?

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
A distinct lack of Eternal Warrior here. I'm not familiar with Daemons though so do they have some way to prevent Instant Death or are these guys doomed to die against Psylencers and the like?

Nope. Force Weapons have always been effective for fighting Daemons with (in the fluff at least) so them not having protection from it makes sense to me.

Oh ID is a real fear here there is no doubt

Possible to get Eternal Warrior from Gifts.

Not everyone is lucky enough to get plot-armor protection Eternal Warrior handed out like candy like the Space Marines.

rollawaythestone wrote:
Not everyone is lucky enough to get plot-armor protection Eternal Warrior handed out like candy like the Space Marines.

Not that many EC Marines, but it's true, not that many EC models running around these days.

Though Necrons have it as a Warlord trait which is probably funnier.

Hollismason wrote:
Possible to get Eternal Warrior from Gifts.

Which gift/reward would that be?

I could also see Riftbringer comboing well in a 2 component army, if it's possible to do. We'll see.

CAD Daemonkin, AD Daemons.

Put the BT in the AD with Riftbringer, maim stuff to summon Daemons. While stuff dies, the Daemonkin special rule summons even more ( even another BT. ) Now add a summoner or two to the AD for maximum incursion.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Is Colossal just the equivalent German term to Unwieldy, or have we got yet another functionally redundant rule chucked on the ponderous heap?

New one.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
A distinct lack of Eternal Warrior here. I'm not familiar with Daemons though so do they have some way to prevent Instant Death or are these guys doomed to die against Psylencers and the like?

Nope. Force Weapons have always been effective for fighting Daemons with (in the fluff at least) so them not having protection from it makes sense to me.

Not always, the past codex had all of them as eternal warriors, those times are long gone thou.

 Lord Yayula wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
A distinct lack of Eternal Warrior here. I'm not familiar with Daemons though so do they have some way to prevent Instant Death or are these guys doomed to die against Psylencers and the like?

Nope. Force Weapons have always been effective for fighting Daemons with (in the fluff at least) so them not having protection from it makes sense to me.

Not always, the past codex had all of them as eternal warriors, those times are long gone thou.

I did mention that it was primarily a fluff thing.

So is there any ultra cheap unit that is spam-able just to get killed to provide blood points when a player suicidally throws them at the opponent?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
So is there any ultra cheap unit that is spam-able just to get killed to provide blood points when a player suicidally throws them at the opponent?

Daemons and Nids. Isn't there a perpetually spawning spore mine formation?

edit:

Requirments: 3 Mucolid Spore Clusters, 3 Spore Mine Clusters
Restrictions: None.
Special Rules:
Advance Wave: All units in this Formation have the Infiltrate special rule.
Sporefield: Each time a Mucolid Spore Cluster or Spore Mine Cluster from this Formation is completely destroyed, roll a D6: on a 4+ you can immediately place a new unit into Ongoing Reserve that is identical in terms of the original number of models, weapons and upgrades to the unit that was just destroyed. These new units count as being part of the original Formation, so roll a D6 as described above if they are subsequently destroyed. Victory points are awarded as normal for new units in this Formation that have been completely destroyed.
Source: Campaign: Shield of Baal: Leviathan
- See more at: http://bloodofkittens.com/formation-compendium/#sthash.1oKs6fKL.dpuf

Ha! That'd be excellent.

To early to speculate on how it works yet, we'll have to wait.

Hollismason wrote:
To early to speculate on how it works yet, we'll have to wait.

Well, we know whenever a unit dies, you get a point. Just take cheap units like spores.

Yes! Bloodletters got good!

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yes! Bloodletters got good!

Eh?

We're looking at units to hurl forward and get massacred right?

Bloodletters are your, er, daemon!


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You needed to put a whole lot of effort into anything other than that happening before, now they're useful doing what they're naturally good at!

Ahh, gotcha.

Thank you for the leaks. Any mention of the superheavy Lord of Skulls in WD?

I wonder if we see the now obligatory FA Rhino. Daemons in boxes for the win!!!

Are these bloodthirsters available as hqs for codex daemons or just the new codex?

 akwing00 wrote:
Are these bloodthirsters available as hqs for codex daemons or just the new codex?

They'll probably be available for both

 Lord Yayula wrote:

 akwing00 wrote:
Are these bloodthirsters available as hqs for codex daemons or just the new codex?

They'll probably be available for both

Actually, I doubt that.

They specifically altered the rules for the new Harlequin options to exclude the Codex: Eldar versions.

Those are some beefy bloodthirsters

The WD rules are explicitly for C:CD, so unless anyone is suggesting they won't include their shiny new Greater Daemon of Khorne kit in their shiny new Khorne Codex, it'll be in both.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The WD rules are explicitly for C:CD, so unless anyone is suggesting they won't include their shiny new Greater Daemon of Khorne kit in their shiny new Khorne Codex, it'll be in both.

I must have missed it but has this been confirmed? Having these bloodthirster variants in a codex: daemons army would be pretty sweet

That 8 Attack on the charge ST D weapon is pure awesomeness, finally the Blood Thirster is worth taking.

 luke1705 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
The WD rules are explicitly for C:CD, so unless anyone is suggesting they won't include their shiny new Greater Daemon of Khorne kit in their shiny new Khorne Codex, it'll be in both.

I must have missed it but has this been confirmed? Having these bloodthirster variants in a codex: daemons army would be pretty sweet

I read it somewhere, can't remember exactly where, but it was a pretty definite statement.

Either way, I'd not even considered the possibility it wouldn't be the case until someone else brought it up.

Let's do this quick and painless

In Warhammer 40k you build an army using unit datasheets. Like the ones in a Codex. Or White Dwarf. There is a symbol in the center at the top of each datasheet showing the faction it belongs to. The leaked images a few pages earlier in this thread, have these. All three Bloodthirsters belong to the Chaos Daemon faction.

That's it

7th edition made this important and helpful change to the former design, all new books and supplements have the unit datasheets with these faction symbols

Warhams-77 wrote:
Let's do this quick and painless

In Warhammer 40k you build an army using unit datasheets. Like the ones in a Codex. Or White Dwarf. There is a symbol in the center at the top of each datasheet showing the faction it belongs to. The leaked images a few pages earlier in this thread, have these. All three Bloodthirsters belong to the Chaos Daemon faction.

That's it

7th edition made this important and helpful change to the former design, all new books and supplements have the unit datasheets with these faction symbols

And according to Warboss85 the new supplement/codex includes all the daemons of khorne meaning it will probably include these 3 as they would help increase the sells of each other. Also I think this would be the first supplement to combine units from 2 different armies CSM/CD, which if at all follows the structure of the End Times book for WHFB will include a page with a listing of which units you can take from both books, alongside some special new rules, relics, warlord traits and maybe a few special characters.

Oh, and the juicy formations which is where probably this one will shine if it gets bonuses to make bloodletters and zerks viable as an assault unit

Even at Ini 1, the Blood thirster with the D axe should win as the knight will have 3 attacks (4 on the charge) hitting on 5s, not the best odds whereass the bloodthirster hits on 3s with 6 attacks (7 on the charge)

The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Does Blood for the Blood God work with Siege of Vraks Unending Host?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Because every army that runs knights also runs grav? I didnt even mention anything regarding grav, nor was there any assumption grav would be present or even relevant to the statement I posted.

Yes itll get shot at, it has 3+ armor 5++ and a 4+ jink, it has options

Or does the grav boogeyman lurk around every corner in every army?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Hoping at least one formation changes that and maybe boosts Khornate units with run+charge or deep strike+charge or assault upgrades to rhinos.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Then gliding isn't the answer.

It's another codex with more possibilities and puts the rules for the new Bloodthirster model in a hardcover book that isn't tied to some campaign. It also gives those mono-Khorne players a way to summon Daemons without resorting to taking those pesky unfluffy psykers.

As long as they are not making 7th edition versions of Hardcover 6th edition codexes, I'm on board with any new codex they want to make.

 Kosake wrote:

So yeah. For me, Slaanesh is essentially the God of Boobies and GW will have a hard time to change that.

They could make Slaanesh the coolest dwarf ever.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Then gliding isn't the answer.

Technically only gliding is the answer, since you still get the 4+ junk just for being a FMC. You'd be hamstringing your BT if you Swoop it

Well I don't expect it to go away because the Chaos Daemon codex rule for it doesn't allow it which is unfortunate.

We'll see what happens when it drops. I've no doubt some tourney-head will find a way to abuse those Str D melee hits by pairing him up with Bel'Lakor and using lots of Invis shenanigans to make sure the Bloodthirster survives into combat, and then wrecks whatever it hits. Thundercav, Centuristar, other Knights... they'll have a hard time dealing with this thing, and if it's accompanied by some Hounds, it's just going to be a bad day for the opposing team.

But, that's not a list I would ever want to build, or ever really be too motivated to play against, so I'll leave that to the cheeseballers and tourney-heads.

Don't need Be'Lakor. Just need shrouding or invis, both of which Fateweaver can potentially provide. Can also use grim/cursed earth or you might get a decent greater reward (re-roll invulns, for example). Whatever daemon Prince you want can also relatively reliably get telepathy, and for a ML3 Nurgle Prince it's only 275 points. Flying buff monster who gets 3 rolls on telepathy.

Bloodthirster probably isn't reliable enough to use in a tournament setting, but I will certainly be trying to find out a way to make it work

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Because every army that runs knights also runs grav?

Grav is one example I chose out of the things a competitive army will use to casually wipe its ass with a T6 3+ MC. Pick one.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The bloodthirster will never make it into combat against the Knight because it's going to get ripped to pieces by grav-guns due to the idiotic "can't assault the turn you glide" rules.

Then gliding isn't the answer.

You can't assault when swooping, so have fun letting your 400 point investment fly uselessly around the map. This issue (useless when not assaulting, and can only assault when gliding) is why the Bloodthirster has more or less been considered the least competitive Greater Daemon.

I'm looking forward to getting a couple Slaanesh heralds and slapping invisibility on it though. Grimoire also works, though less reliably.