Please keep in mind that Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic!
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Images of the purported plastic sprues:
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And some rumors:
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Warhams-77 wrote: Wintermute (Warseer Admin) posted tonight about the HH game
Originally Posted by RTB01
is there any other info you can give us at this time
Originally Posted by Wintermute
Yes there is.
According to my sources: the rules are not 8th Ed and they haven't been Sigmared/simplified. The major difference is that the 'read this first' sections and the reference cards have simple to follow tables. For example the BS rule instead of being the traditional 'BS3 =4+' style in fact has the BS as '4+'. All other rules are as per 7th edition which will also be in the box.
This may be one of the deals we’ve ever heard of from Games Workshop.
I hope this turns out to be true, cause WOW I don’t think finding Heresy players will be hard if getting the miniatures is this easy!
via Voices in the Trees 3-8-2015
Horus Heresy Starter Set
2 sides, Identically Equipped
Models are NOT legion marked.
Generic Heresy-era models.
– Early Heresy mark armor Astartes x20
– Cataphractii Terminators x5
– Contemptor Dreadnought x1
– Praetor x1
These contents seem to line up with the last set of rumors we heard back in FEB.
via Steve the Warboss 2-25-2015
-Gaming Set Includes a Supplement for the Age of Darkness
-Rules and a Dettachment for Playing Legio Astartes and Xenos in the Past of 40k -A new Allied Matrix including Xenos of the 31st Millenium
-Very generic Dataslates for the Models, only the featured Characters will have specific Background, but can used for any Legion
-Unlike the previous Sets, the Squads will have no unique Leaders, only names “Sergeant”
-Box will include 6 versions of new Sprues
Speculation about release date:
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Manchu wrote:October maybe? Warhammer World open house on October 18-17, with promise to unvail something:
We’re happy to announce that we will be releasing +++DELETED BY THE INQUISITION+++, which is really exciting!
Man I have been away from the geedub rumor mill in a long time (and this site heh!)
If I could get my grubby hands on a plastic MKIV set....sorry FW you can't take my monies! Now I admit I didn't read the last thread, but I thought geedubs and forgeworld wanted to stop stepping on each others toes? Well then again I guess whatever brings in the cash. maybe I'll get an official vx9 kit eventually.
I quite like that roll chart since theres barely any To Hit modifiers for bs. makes sense.
Contemptor Dreadnought Unknown model (conflicting reports say a “counter to Contemptor”, or simply a 2nd Contemptor)
Decal sheet for multiple legions, split evenly between Loyalist and Traitor Legions
If it's accurate... and in the same price point as AoS... I think 2 boxes for me. Maybe 3, if I like the Centurion, Praetor, and Contemptors enough (60 is plenty of Mk4 marines).
Contemptor Dreadnought
Unknown model (conflicting reports say a “counter to Contemptor”, or simply a 2nd Contemptor)
Decal sheet for multiple legions, split evenly between Loyalist and Traitor Legions
If it's accurate... and in the same price point as AoS... I think 2 boxes for me. Maybe 3, if I like the Centurion, Praetor, and Contemptors enough (60 is plenty of Mk4 marines).
Ok off to airbrushing
I really can't believe that. The sprues are not snapfit models and GW should give you 30 of those AND other stuff?
Even if it's true, I can't see a price below 150€.
That list seems to make a lot of sense even though it just seems like guesswork. I was hoping for some MKII Armour as well but I'm sure it will already be in the pipeline assuming this set is a success.
Curious to see what the price will be for this as it is seeming to be a pretty substantial set!
I suppose that one army is going to have a single Tactical Squad and the Contemptor and the other is going to have two Tactical Squads. So our two HQs are a Centurion in Artificer Armor and a Praetor in Terminator Armor. That is a pretty good division.
Honestly, I am still filing this in "Too Good To Be True". This would give someone the basis of a full Space Marine army. Unless this is going to be a $200+ set, this is way too good of a deal.
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Manchu wrote: If the figs are Legion-generic, buying multiple boxes is a no-brainer.
We can see from the images that the kits are not Legion specific.
The box content rumours also come from the same source that said it was a Battle of Phall box with IF and IW, and that part's now been debunked by LoWG, so the contents are probably wrong too
Hanskrampf wrote: I really can't believe that. The sprues are not snapfit models and GW should give you 30 of those AND other stuff?
Even if it's true, I can't see a price below 150€.
They are not snapfit, but they come with few special/heavy weapon loadouts, so if you're buying them for just parts, yeah, you'll get a nice deal, but it's not like people were spending endless dollars on tactical marines with bolters.
If you take away the snapfit aspect, the model count is close to Space Hulk, which is one of the best-loved box sets GW's ever come out with. Soooo....
But frankly, I'd take them even if they were snapfit (though it would be far less awesome). The Dark Vengeance snapfits are fantastic.
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Rygnan wrote: The box content rumours also come from the same source that said it was a Battle of Phall box with IF and IW, and that part's now been debunked by LoWG, so the contents are probably wrong too
Yeah, no argument that rumors are rumors.
Still, we've seen the alleged 2 hero sprues, and the space marine sprues, so if it's just a hoax, it's a mighty fine hoax. And as to guesswork, yeah, it's probably a pretty reasonable guess. I mean, you could get 20 space marines instead of 30, but it's not like you'll get 10 to split between UM and WB.
Wouldn't that be wonderful? In plastic.... *dreamy eyes*
Kinda goes against the whole not legion-specific thing, plus it's not even from one of the rumoured legions in the box.
Maybe it's an indication that they're going to start phasing the Legion-specific dreadnoughts? It was always ridiculous that we had as many contemptors as we did...
Perhaps they're retiring the legion-specific dreadnoughts once they run out of stock of them, to be replaced by a generic, plastic contemptornought that'll be supported by legion-specific upgrade kits. Doesn't seem that far-fetched, does it?
casvalremdeikun wrote: We can see from the images that the kits are not Legion specific.
We cannot confirm the authenticity of those images.
I'm not sure I understand this.
Its pictures of what are quite clearly Heresy Era marines on plastic sprues. The cost of creating physical, hard plastic sprues of that nature are so vast that the idea there is the remotest possibility they are some sort of internet con is, I think, a non-starter.
And no other company is producing heresy era marines in hard plastic.
NoggintheNog wrote: Its pictures of what are quite clearly Heresy Era marines on plastic sprues.
And so far, that's all we actually know about them.
If they are legit (and there's a very good chance they are) we still have no actual confirmation as to what they are for, or who actually made them. Assuming (again, as is likely) that those pictures are GW sprues, there's been at least one plastic sprue produced in the past that was shown to the public but never actually made it into production (the original buildings for CoD) and there have been rumours over the years of other sprues that were produced but never made it to production due to various issues with them.
For all we know, these are just a limited run thing for some internal use at GWHQ, like the original Praetorians were. The expense of producing plastic sprues is nowhere near what it used to be, so that's not entirely outside the realm of possibility.
NoggintheNog wrote: The cost of creating physical, hard plastic sprues of that nature are so vast that the idea there is the remotest possibility they are some sort of internet con is, I think, a non-starter.
Unless of course the con in question is selling knock-off models, which is already profitable enough for certain Chinese companies to entice them to invest money in creating hard plastic sprues for things like Knights.
NoggintheNog wrote: The cost of creating physical, hard plastic sprues of that nature are so vast that the idea there is the remotest possibility they are some sort of internet con is, I think, a non-starter.
Unless of course the con in question is selling knock-off models, which is already profitable enough for certain Chinese companies to entice them to invest money in creating hard plastic sprues for things like Knights.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but those pictures have been floating around for more than a month.
Wouldn't we see certain Chinese/Russian companies SELLING them by now?
kronk wrote: Wouldn't we see certain Chinese/Russian companies SELLING them by now?
I guess the same could be said about GW (see insaniak's post above). I would rather not get into a purely speculative discussion about the miniatures bootlegging trade. The point is, everyone is free to believe that these pics are authentic but no one can solidly claim they are without further proof. It's sort of like the poster above who says one rumormonger "debunked" another rumormonger. Well, the truth is both are just slinging rumors and that poster decided to believe one over another.
Kalashnichris wrote: I just looked up "Cataphractii Terminator Squad" images (wanted to check which style that was-not to familiar with hh stuff) on bing and it said " forgeworld.co.uk has removed or replaced this image"....
Did you check ForgeWorld? I guess not.
They're still available.
More Dakka wrote: Excited, but my excitement is somewhat curtailed by the fact that it's MK IV armor and not MK VI :(
I don't think there was much chance of MkVI at all, at this point it's still pretty rare (almost non existent in legions that aren't the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion until the siege of Terra I believe).
Contemptor Dreadnought
Unknown model (conflicting reports say a “counter to Contemptor”, or simply a 2nd Contemptor)
By my count that is 42 and one unknown so they are off.
Well that's 43, 30 normal marines, 10 Termies, a praetor, a Contemptor, and an unspecified other model; plus there was a non Termie Praetor mentioned (it says 'artificer armoured centurion' at the top next to the '44 miniatures'), which is 44.
edlowe wrote: Doesn't the sprue show 2 charcters tho? I get the feeling this is like the rumours for the aos box set which turned out like none of the rumours.
That's more than enough models to start a legitimate Heresy list. eBay for Contemptor arm guns to do up some Mortis Dreads and some classic 2nd Edition Rhinos and such. I might be spending a lot of friggin money soon...
If the leaked sprues are to be believed, those are most certainly Mk4 legs (just look on p1 pics, last 3 sprues).
There are different styles of Mk4, remember. The box looks like it Maximus with studs and without, Corvus, and also a Corvus with studs.
There are also lipped Mk4 shoulder pads, which are my favorite shoulders (though sadly plain/decal shoulders). And the Cataphractii termintators are models I have always wanted to own. I would so love a TL autocannon. And remember, the standard Cataphractii have access to combi's, which would rock. And Edward Scissorhands claws.
Talys wrote: If the leaked sprues are to be believed, those are most certainly Mk4 legs (just look on p1 pics, last 3 sprues).
There are different styles of Mk4, remember. The box looks like it Maximus with studs and without, Corvus, and also a Corvus with studs.
There are also lipped Mk4 shoulder pads, which are my favorite shoulders (though sadly plain/decal shoulders). And the Cataphractii termintators are models I have always wanted to own. I would so love a TL autocannon. And remember, the standard Cataphractii have access to combi's, which would rock. And Edward Scissorhands claws.
SickSix wrote: If they are all mk IV that kills it for me. :(
At the beginning of the Horus Heresy most Legions had MK4 AFAIK, i hope that if this is the first in the series and that the next box it will be MK5.
Mk IV was the newest iteration of armor produced, but all the legions had not transitioned over to them by the time war broke out. It was part of Horus plan to limit supplies of these to the loyalists so they would not be as well equipped. In the black library books there's mention that the Mk IV isn't as good as the older Mks, just easier to produce in the numbers needed for the crusade. Legions like the Iron Hands didn't receive any when the war broke out, they had been "shorted" supplies of ammunition and armor during the crusade and were in major need of re-equipping when they went to Istivan. I believe the white scars and the salamanders were in similar situations were as the Word Bearers and Sons of Horus were fully equipped with all the latest (if not greatest) of gear. the imperial Fists raid Mars and abscond with hundreds of thousands of Mk IV suits in one of the books, but hadn't received any prior to that.
Theophony wrote: It was part of Horus plan to limit supplies of these to the loyalists so they would not be as well equipped. In the black library books there's mention that the Mk IV isn't as good as the older Mks, just easier to produce in the numbers needed for the crusade.
I must have missed that. Every other reference I've read says that Mk.IV is more advanced and efficient than earlier marks. Mk.IV laid the foundation for the "modern" marks like VI, VII and VIII.
Likely stock, unbadged troops, with two Limited Edition characters that *are* Legion-badged. That'd be my guess. Plays to rumours and recent box patterns (I know, GeeDub and patterns. etc. etc.)
I'm taking with a huge load of salt, either that or preparing to drop roughly $200 on this kit, that's just a huge number of models for it to be priced like other sets. I was really hoping for the board game set though, would have made a good path to get people into zones mortalis.
Theophony wrote: It was part of Horus plan to limit supplies of these to the loyalists so they would not be as well equipped. In the black library books there's mention that the Mk IV isn't as good as the older Mks, just easier to produce in the numbers needed for the crusade.
I must have missed that. Every other reference I've read says that Mk.IV is more advanced and efficient than earlier marks. Mk.IV laid the foundation for the "modern" marks like VI, VII and VIII.
Agreed, in fact IIRC Mk IV is superior to modern marks, but precisely because it wasn't easy to produce, later versions were somewhat simplified.
But we digress, and as an EC collector, and a fan of the look, I'm all for it being Mk IV!
I've always liked the WE pre-Heresy color scheme, but it was the artwork of a WE in Mk.IV at the beginning of the WE section in Betrayal that settled me on that mark. In that simple white and blue scheme, Mk.IV has an unadorned, basic look that I think makes sense for WE.
But then paint it up in EC colors, and the more elegant design features (compared to Mk.II and III) really come through. I think it's a great suit and I'm glad it'll be in the boxed set, even if I have my concerns about how the plastics will scale.
edlowe wrote: Just been told oct 11th at my local store. £75. No word on content but told it was very good value for gw.
Either your local store is lying about the price, this is an amazing value, or the rumors are way off, imo.
That's AoS / DV price, no? I'm not really familiar with GBP prices, but AoS is $150 Canadian, and GBP to CAD is 2:1, roughly. It would be a great price to get people into HH, and "starter" boxes should not be much more. It's a price point issue.
It wouldn't really be any better or worse value than Space Hulk, Dark Vengeance, or Age of Sigmar starter, I think - they're not snapfits, butt neither was Stormclaw or Deathstorm (also in the same value range).
edlowe wrote: Just been told oct 11th at my local store. £75. No word on content but told it was very good value for gw.
Either your local store is lying about the price, this is an amazing value, or the rumors are way off, imo.
That's AoS / DV price, no? I'm not really familiar with GBP prices, but AoS is $150 Canadian, and GBP to CAD is 2:1, roughly. It would be a great price to get people into HH, and "starter" boxes should not be much more. It's a price point issue.
It wouldn't really be any better or worse value than Space Hulk, Dark Vengeance, or Age of Sigmar starter, I think - they're not snapfits, butt neither was Stormclaw or Deathstorm (also in the same value range).
Stormclaw and Deathstorm are outliers. They used sprues from existing boxes and a single character sprue that was separate.
Not to go too off-topic but they're still making some Beakies. Now I know that wouldn't be enough for a full army, just wanted to mention.
On a sidenote, since people brought up Armor types, I think the guy who got me into 40k really likes Mark 4 Armor, I could be forgetting though (might've been Mark 2 or 3).
My favorite? Mark 7. Guess I'm just boring that way. Though looking them up now, I quite like Mark 5 Armor, mostly because it looks similar but a bit jazzier, might be unfluffy to have that on HH Dark Angels though (assuming those came out and I got them).
Manchu wrote: If MSRP for the amount of SM we have been talking about turns out to be approximately 75GBP/120 USD, I will likely buy three or four sets.
Same, it'll be a dirt cheap basis for any legion army, especially if the hands are an easy switch for FW special and heavy weapons to make the Special Weapon squads and Legion heavy support teams.
Manchu wrote: If MSRP for the amount of SM we have been talking about turns out to be approximately 75GBP/120 USD, I will likely buy three or four sets.
[Insert Heavy Breathing Meme]
75 British Pound Moneys or ~$140 US for the following is a do-it-now price for me. I'll take 2, sir. And some primer.
which of the Forgworld HH books are required to play the Forgworld version of 30k? do I need them all? can I get away with the smaller red books? Is one book more important than another?
I have the Legions of the crusade red book and that has all the rules for the Legions minus the Primarchs. Its a really cool book with lots of options and you can give your army special abilities that fits in with one of the legions fluff.
Daston's post above helps, but can someone be so kind as to explain/clarify the specific difference between the Isstvan Campaign Legions and the Crusade Army List? (The Smaller Red Books)
I get they are non-fluff, shortened compilations taken from the three Isstvan big books, and from the website the Isstvan Campaign Legions has all the specific legion unit entries, but what exactly is in the Crusade Army List?
I see it refers to "complete profiles, special rules and wargear" but how is that different? Terrain? Other imperium Forces? General Rules?
Suggested to buy both? Eyeing that 100 pound shipping deal.
Crusade Army list is a generic army list that can be used for all Legions, whereas the Isstvan book is a supplement to this that deals with Legion-specific units, special characters and formations. You'll need the Crusade book to use the Isstvan book.
So to cement my understanding in a somewhat 40k analogy, The Crusade List would be like the standard unit entries in the Space Marine Codex, but the Isstvan book would be the other sections with chapter rules, special characters and units.
So to cement my understanding in a somewhat 40k analogy, The Crusade List would be like the standard unit entries in the Space Marine Codex, but the Isstvan book would be the other sections with chapter rules, special characters and units.
Exactly.
However there has been some additions/updates to these lists in Horus Heresy books 4 & 5.
As I recall the updates in Book 4 are mostly around a campaign system and additional equipment.
Book 5 has bigger changes, but you really only need it if you're playing Ultramarines, and possibly Word Bearers.
Book IV has NO Legiones Astartes units, just a new campaign system, a set of generic relics and a specific relic for each Legion. Other than that, it's all about the Solar Auxilia and Questoris Knights.
Book V has the Ultramarines and a slightly updated Word Bearers army list with an up to date Lorgar and new Gal Vorbak units.
SickSix wrote: If they are all mk IV that kills it for me. :(
The contents of the rumored box would be for me to do Alpha Legion, so the Mk IV would be great for me. I'd go through tac marine bits to sprinkle in a few Mk VI suits, too, and boom, there's the bulk of the army for me.
Manchu wrote: If MSRP for the amount of SM we have been talking about turns out to be approximately 75GBP/120 USD, I will likely buy three or four sets.
[Insert Heavy Breathing Meme]
75 British Pound Moneys or ~$140 US for the following is a do-it-now price for me. I'll take 2, sir. And some primer.
Contemptor Dreadnought
Unknown model (conflicting reports say a “counter to Contemptor”, or simply a 2nd Contemptor)
Decal sheet for multiple legions, split evenly between Loyalist and Traitor Legions
It'd be such a good deal, I don't believe it for a moment. More likely we'd get 10 marines and a dreadnought one side, 5 marines and 5 terminators the other side, or some bollocks. If they've got spiffy new plastic heresy marines in the works, the last thing they're going to do is give them away for a song. It's more likely we've seen the multi-part kits that will follow after a box set with push-fit crap in it than this wishlisting everyone's doing. 40 multi-part space marines for £75? No gak, I'll take five.
DV has, what, 10 Tacs, 5 Termis, 3 Bikes,1 Company Master and a Librarian on one side and 20 Cultists, 5 Chosen, a Helbrute and a Chaos Lord?
I could see the HH set beign 10 Tacs, a Contemptor, 5 Termis and a Praetor per side, with one side have the Termi Praetor and the other the normal one and a centurion (assuming the pictures in the 1st post are in the box set as there looks to be 2 normal character marines and a termi character marine).
Talys wrote: If you take away the snapfit aspect, the model count is close to Space Hulk, which is one of the best-loved box sets GW's ever come out with. Soooo....
Space Hulk's success wasn't strictly because of the model count, it was because it was Space Hulk. Nostalgia was the main driving factor behind that.
The Horus Heresy box is going to sell just because the HH is really popular. I honestly don't think the models really matter that much in the end, people are going to buy it anyway.
These look to be full multi-part kits, not snapfit starter models. Think less Dark Vengeance and more like Stormclaw.
I'm still leaning towards Praetor + 10 marines + contemptor vs CDA Praetor + 10 marines + 5 Cataphractii.
Single kits, Tac Squads are about $40 each, TDA are $50 or so, Dreadnoughts are close to $45/50, and the two characters are $30 each in GW terms for multipart kits. Probably closer to 100 GBP/ $170 or so.
Asking for 30 Tacs, 10 terminators, 2 characters, and multiple contemptors for 75 GBP is not going to happen with multipart kits.
MajorWesJanson wrote: These look to be full multi-part kits, not snapfit starter models. Think less Dark Vengeance and more like Stormclaw.
I'm still leaning towards Praetor + 10 marines + contemptor vs CDA Praetor + 10 marines + 5 Cataphractii.
Single kits, Tac Squads are about $40 each, TDA are $50 or so, Dreadnoughts are close to $45/50, and the two characters are $30 each in GW terms for multipart kits. Probably closer to 100 GBP/ $170 or so.
Asking for 30 Tacs, 10 terminators, 2 characters, and multiple contemptors for 75 GBP is not going to happen with multipart kits.
The AoS starter isn't snapfit IIRC and it's £75. It has 47 models, 2 of which are around contemptor sized. It certainly isn't in the realms of impossibility.
MajorWesJanson wrote: These look to be full multi-part kits, not snapfit starter models. Think less Dark Vengeance and more like Stormclaw.
I'm still leaning towards Praetor + 10 marines + contemptor vs CDA Praetor + 10 marines + 5 Cataphractii.
Single kits, Tac Squads are about $40 each, TDA are $50 or so, Dreadnoughts are close to $45/50, and the two characters are $30 each in GW terms for multipart kits. Probably closer to 100 GBP/ $170 or so.
Asking for 30 Tacs, 10 terminators, 2 characters, and multiple contemptors for 75 GBP is not going to happen with multipart kits.
The AoS starter isn't snapfit IIRC and it's £75. It has 47 models, 2 of which are around contemptor sized. It certainly isn't in the realms of impossibility.
That said, 20 Tacs total is more likely.
OK, I pretty much equate snapfit with the monopose figures as far as sprue space and complexity go. 10 marines or Sigmarines take up less sprue space as monopose models than they do as full multi-part kits with all the options.
Stormwolf was 10 marines and 5 terminators plus a character vs 5 nobz, 10 gretchin + herder (together priced about the same as a tac squad box) and a unit of killa kans (priced about the same as a dreadnought kit) and a character, for $125.
Deathstorm has a Dreadnought, 5 marines, and 5 terminators plus a character vs a broodlord, 8 genestealers, 3 warriors, and a carnifex, again for $125.
My guess for the HH box puts it right around that range of kit contents so I'd imagine about the same price. I'd also expect GW to do the "limit 2 per order" thing they did for Deathstorm as well. Just hope it lasts longer than Stormclaw (Deathstorm is still around at my FLGS). Judging by the naming scheme of these boxes, I could see a Word Bearers vs Ultramarines box being called Ruinstorm.
Though if I am wrong, and they do stuff more models in the box at that price point, well we all win so I can live with being completely wrong on my prediction. Either way I will be saving money for 2 of the boxes.
40k open day is October 17th. The warhammer world has blanked out what will be new and available on that day. 2 more weeks of AoS releases. Couple of weeks of tau then heresy is the hope/presumption.
Contents. I don't believe the rumours of 30/10/2 for tac/ terms/ contemptors.
I think it's more likely with 20/5/1. If it is at £75...
Also depends if there's any board pieces ala execution force/ space hulk to represent the underground warfare.
Board pieces plus the lesser amount of figures could still shift for near a hundred quid. Ultimately shifting the basic core to plastic is going to generate savings on resin. I've bought my ticket to the open day and will be having some money well stocked to hopefully get two boxes and some legion specific bits and contemptor weapons on the day...
20/10/2, with 2 HQs, would be pretty plausible and not too far out of line from 40K starters over the past few years.
30/10/2 with 2 HQs and no chapter-specific mouldings is plausible if GW's aim is to sell a huge number of sets (it goes from a "maybe buy 1" to a "definitely buy 2-4" for most veteran players) and to then sell a huge number of Forgeworld add-ons. If I were GW, it's exactly what I'd do, particularly if I had a wider strategic need to make a load of money in that quarter.
There were some rumors that said the armies in the box would be asymmetrical. So it could very well be the termies for one side and the contemptor for the other and then both sides have the same number of tac marines. Then the HQ would be one in termie and one in normal power armor.
I THINK it is not a starter, I'm PRETTY SURE it's a board game, BASED ON RUMOURS.
That's what you meant to say yeah? Lol
Save your anger for someone else; Sad Panda's a rumour monger with 100% accuracy (so far). I'd trust what he says...
Lol your the one who was coming across as terse and angry, hence the bolded text , and 100% means nothing, as he could still turn out to be wrong, I suppose what im saying is, don't correct the other fella as if the rumour is fact, it isn't, it's a good source, but we don't know yet if it's accurate.
Course it can. Models could be used for 30k or even 40k if you so wished. Ultimately you can use the models for what you want. You could use the marines as basic tactical, tac support squad, vet tacticals or heavy support squads. Huge flexibility especially with the amount of stuff on the sprues.
I THINK it is not a starter, I'm PRETTY SURE it's a board game, BASED ON RUMOURS.
That's what you meant to say yeah? Lol
Save your anger for someone else; Sad Panda's a rumour monger with 100% accuracy (so far). I'd trust what he says...
Lol your the one who was coming across as terse and angry, hence the bolded text , and 100% means nothing, as he could still turn out to be wrong, I suppose what im saying is, don't correct the other fella as if the rumour is fact, it isn't, it's a good source, but we don't know yet if it's accurate.
Sad Panda was the only voice of truth through-out the Age of Sigmar rumour dirge. There's no need to be a doubter.
I THINK it is not a starter, I'm PRETTY SURE it's a board game, BASED ON RUMOURS.
That's what you meant to say yeah? Lol
Save your anger for someone else; Sad Panda's a rumour monger with 100% accuracy (so far). I'd trust what he says...
Lol your the one who was coming across as terse and angry, hence the bolded text , and 100% means nothing, as he could still turn out to be wrong, I suppose what im saying is, don't correct the other fella as if the rumour is fact, it isn't, it's a good source, but we don't know yet if it's accurate.
Sad Panda was the only voice of truth through-out the Age of Sigmar rumour dirge. There's no need to be a doubter.
Just hedging my bets, no matter the source (unless I get it direct myself) I always take it with a grain of salt, for example the contents of the box may not be exactly what is rumoured, so I am not going to plan out my army until I see the box itself, fair right?
Course it can. Models could be used for 30k or even 40k if you so wished. Ultimately you can use the models for what you want. You could use the marines as basic tactical, tac support squad, vet tacticals or heavy support squads. Huge flexibility especially with the amount of stuff on the sprues.
No! If it is a board game, the figures must be used as such! And do not dare use tactical squad marines in sweet MKIV bling as sternguard in regular 40k games!
BOLS has a release date of the 7th November now and a very interesting picture showing a FW style black book and strategy cards. I'm almost believing this is a thing now !
jonolikespie wrote: First two things I noticed was "book one" and that it doesn't look like the typical GW hardback style that everything has nowadays.
It mimics the style of the Forgeworld Heresy books.
Just cheaper and not as good, but given they are £72 each its understandable.
The rumor is there are already two boxsets planned, but the "book one" makes me think maybe they're going to do the boxsets as a serialized approach progressing and marching along with the FW... so like a box set for each FW book or maybe one a year.
That's official art on that card back - I've got it on a poster for Book 1 of the FW Heresy series (betrayal). The full scene is a contemptor and a land raider with a fire raptor overhead and a lot of drop pods coming in from above.
*edit* Ninja'd.
Looks pretty legit, I have to say. Can't wait for some more pictures.
That rule book despite not looking like FW quality still looks great. I don't remember seeing a GW board game with that kind of quality cover on a rule book in the past. I am hoping the rumours of a stand alone game based around the HH from GW are true I am loving what I am seeing so far.
November 7th huh? I figured it would be better served as a Christmas release given that is is probably going to sell fantastically well.
Also something seems a little off with the rulebook and cards. Why call the book Conquest? Isn't that already a FW book? Also the card says Horus Heresy while the book says Great Crusade. The two always seemed to be a different period in my mind.
Whatever the case may be I look forward to moar plastic marines!
November 7th may be the preorder date rather than the release date, and the first week of November marks the start of the holiday shopping rush here in the US. Stores start changing their hours to be open more--and last year, GW shops went from their normal schedule to being open all week.
The book may be detailing the fluff for the "Great Crusade", which technically was still ongoing when the Horus Heresy broke out.
Wow this could really go either way. Execution Force was a serious disappointment. Yes, the assassins were neat if you want to paint stuff to sit on the shelf or whatever. I prefer miniatures with less diorama built into them. But the real downside to that set was the board game side: the components were of very low quality. OTOH ... HH! and that is enough to keep me excited.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Thanks for that clarification. That pic I posted earlier made me think I had seen something like it before, so thanks for the confirmation.
No worries the guy on BOLS was doing some serious trolling lol.
I just can't see it being a board game with those sprews. Normally GW does snap fit for boardgames to widen the audience. Those sprews look more like a tabletop kit.
I guess this is off-topic, but does anyone have a link to a version online or a store where I can purchase for that Great Crusade fandex? I see mention of MegaArachnids, and now my interest is piqued.
That is indeed the artwork from the Throne of skulls event at Warhammer world.
I'm thinking they gave out the objective cards and the campaign book at the event for the HH tournament they held.
Originally Posted by Art Is Resistance
It's a Fandex - nothing more than that.
It's been around for a few years now - well written, nicely put together, it includes rules for Megarachnids etc..
You can't buy it - FW allowed him to do it on the proviso no money exchanged hands for it, but copy pop up from time to time (I have one).
Although the Great Crusade book is fan made, it was given the blessing of the FW studio as long as it was never exchanged for money. Its a brilliant book and it's author is a true GW/FW devotee.
On the other side of things the cards ARE NOT fan made, but were given to the attendees of the Throne of Skulls Heresy Event that just happened this past weekend (3rd/4th Oct). I know this because i was there and have a deck of the cards myself. The have legion/faction specific rules and and many different objective types. As far as i could tell these will not be up for sale, but may be available to attendees of future such events, but they might also do a completely different set per event depending on how warhammer world want to run it.
weirdly after looking over the cards again, emperors children and iron hands didnt have any specific cards for them. Im not sure exactly why,k but ti might be something to do with their additional objective ability being stronger than others,
Stores can expect a call around the second of November about something big coming their way. Both the White Dwarf Weekly and Warhammer Visions from somewhere around that time will come with a special pin each.
Formosa wrote: bit of news, the fella that leaked the HH plastics was found and has since been fired/sacked/let go, quite a price to pay to leak said info.
one minute's silence please
but srsly, he should have known that he will get kicked out for that, or not?^^
Formosa wrote: bit of news, the fella that leaked the HH plastics was found and has since been fired/sacked/let go, quite a price to pay to leak said info.
Source? Not that I don't believe it. I would get fired too for doing similar.
Formosa wrote: bit of news, the fella that leaked the HH plastics was found and has since been fired/sacked/let go, quite a price to pay to leak said info.
Ouch! Does the source say what kind of employee he was? Factory? Print? Back Office?
Legion Praetor in PA Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)
Contemptor Dreadnought
vs.
(Using one of the non-legion specific Rites of War to turn terminators to Troops choices.)
Cataphractii Terminator Praetor
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5)
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5)
Contemptor Dreadnought
The odd things on the sprue, IMO, are the special and heavy weapons, unless they plan on putting 10 each of the same weapon per box. Tactical Support and Heavy Support squads require ten special or heavy weapons of the same type. Legion Tactical squads get no weapons upgrade, except to the squad Sgt.
Maybe they plan on using them for Veteran squads, I just can't remember off the top of my head if they get heavy weapons.
This reminds me of the Battle of Phall. Boarding action of the Iron Blood by Imperial Fists terminators.
Yes, you can take a heavy weapon in Veteran squads, but the squad base points + upgrades is points intensive compared to the trusty old Tactical squad.
Formosa wrote: bit of news, the fella that leaked the HH plastics was found and has since been fired/sacked/let go, quite a price to pay to leak said info.
Ouch! Does the source say what kind of employee he was? Factory? Print? Back Office?
No they didn't, I didn't think to ask, they just told me about it when I went to visit them, I suppose I could ask tomorrow and as long as it wont be too obvious it can lead back to them, ill post it, it came up as I was asking if they (my friend) actually read forums, this person said they do, but company policy is that forums are a small section of their market and don't base any of there planning on what things like dakka says, hardly a revelation, I also asked about FAQ's, "Im not touching that question" was the response I basically got. I don't push it as they know im a fan of the game and I don't want to be rude, not when drinking is to be done!
Formosa wrote: bit of news, the fella that leaked the HH plastics was found and has since been fired/sacked/let go, quite a price to pay to leak said info.
Well of course, generating buzz ahead of a release and exciting their customers far enough in advance they can have money standing by for a large purchase are unforgivable sins at GWHQ.
(Yes, yes, I know, there will have been NDA clauses in his contract and they are technically entitled to fire the person for breaking them, but it's still a sad state of affairs)
Formosa wrote: bit of news, the fella that leaked the HH plastics was found and has since been fired/sacked/let go, quite a price to pay to leak said info.
Well of course, generating buzz ahead of a release and exciting their customers far enough in advance they can have money standing by for a large purchase are unforgivable sins at GWHQ.
(Yes, yes, I know, there will have been NDA clauses in his contract and they are technically entitled to fire the person for breaking them, but it's still a sad state of affairs)
I know right, but at the end of the day a contract was signed and the person breached it, I like news and leaks as much as the next fella, but not enough to risk a job over, especially as it's incredibly easy these days to track where a picture has come from.
Formosa wrote: bit of news, the fella that leaked the HH plastics was found and has since been fired/sacked/let go, quite a price to pay to leak said info.
Well of course, generating buzz ahead of a release and exciting their customers far enough in advance they can have money standing by for a large purchase are unforgivable sins at GWHQ.
(Yes, yes, I know, there will have been NDA clauses in his contract and they are technically entitled to fire the person for breaking them, but it's still a sad state of affairs)
Yeah, it'd be quite nice to have more than a 2 or so week window to plan for purchases like this, especially since I'd guess any sort of HH plastics, whether part of a separate "boardgame" or not, will pretty much sell out immediately. And GW being GW will claim "look how awesome we are, we sold out this entire run of 3,000 sets during pre-orders!" with absolutely no plans to do a second run.
The odd things on the sprue, IMO, are the special and heavy weapons, unless they plan on putting 10 each of the same weapon per box. Tactical Support and Heavy Support squads require ten special or heavy weapons of the same type. Legion Tactical squads get no weapons upgrade, except to the squad Sgt.
I don't think it's very puzzling. This isn't going to be a Horus Heresy starter set. It'll be a game with older mark minis in the box that you can use to play that game, 40K, or 30K. The special and heavy bits can be useful in all those games.
And I think that if there's as many minis in the box as rumored, it's going to come with a very high price tag.
The odd things on the sprue, IMO, are the special and heavy weapons, unless they plan on putting 10 each of the same weapon per box. Tactical Support and Heavy Support squads require ten special or heavy weapons of the same type. Legion Tactical squads get no weapons upgrade, except to the squad Sgt.
I don't think it's very puzzling. This isn't going to be a Horus Heresy starter set. It'll be a game with older mark minis in the box that you can use to play that game, 40K, or 30K. The special and heavy bits can be useful in all those games.
And I think that if there's as many minis in the box as rumored, it's going to come with a very high price tag.
I feel it wont be priced that high. 44 Figs. Age of Sigmar has 47 and you can get that for about 90$ shipped
Pacific wrote: But they know full well how much people will pay for the Forge World Pre-Heresy.
That's just it. And while I'm sure part of the point of this is GW helping lower the barrier to entry for FW, you can be sure the GW marketing folks are using FW pricing as some kind of starting point. Our past experience with GW has been that minis don't become massively cheaper when they transition to plastic. HH plastics will probably be noticeably cheaper than FW resin, but I'm skeptical that the eventual 30K tac box will be priced in line with the 40Ktac box. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. *shrug*
But don't feth it up. The FW team has done an excellent job with HH. So good, I don't mind shelling out the stupid money for the books.
I was worried about GW monkeying with what FW's doing, but I'm feeling much better now. All signs are pointing to FW forging ahead on schedule.
I've been wondering if the new Ork series from BL is a hint about how GW plans to position the plastic 30K models. Note that the setting is "only" 1,500 years after the HH. So there'd be ample amounts of Mk.4 and Cataphractii running around, but nothing that would trample on anything HH-related.
But don't feth it up. The FW team has done an excellent job with HH. So good, I don't mind shelling out the stupid money for the books.
I was worried about GW monkeying with what FW's doing, but I'm feeling much better now. All signs are pointing to FW forging ahead on schedule.
I've been wondering if the new Ork series from BL is a hint about how GW plans to position the plastic 30K models. Note that the setting is "only" 1,500 years after the HH. So there'd be ample amounts of Mk.4 and Cataphractii running around, but nothing that would trample on anything HH-related.
Pacific wrote: But they know full well how much people will pay for the Forge World Pre-Heresy.
Can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but a small reason why I try to purchase FW gear over any GW plastics is to reward good behaviour. I personally find FW books and kits to be of a greater value to me in a hobby sense than mainline GW releases. It's also why I am sceptical over this release. I'll keep an eye, but withhold funds for a bit to see how it all shapes out. If its a limited set (most likely), then luckily my scepticism will keep my wallet closed and stop me splashing out on something that won't add to my collection. If FW do a load of tie in releases, chances are my money will go straight to the FW webstore.
I was worried about GW monkeying with what FW's doing, but I'm feeling much better now. All signs are pointing to FW forging ahead on schedule.
I've been wondering if the new Ork series from BL is a hint about how GW plans to position the plastic 30K models. Note that the setting is "only" 1,500 years after the HH. So there'd be ample amounts of Mk.4 and Cataphractii running around, but nothing that would trample on anything HH-related.
Before GW-Studio took an interest in FW's Heresy, FW only started it by trying to bandwagon on BL's success with the Heresy series in the first place.
Assuming the new BL-Series is successful (probably not HH-successful, but hey), FW might pick it up again, and if FW is successful with it again, GW might again take note.
Assuming it works on a similar timeline (probably not), it would be a few years.
2006 - Black Library releases Horus Rising (and hits the jackpot)
2012 - FW releases Angron & the first FW-Heresy book.
2015 - Presumably GW-main/studio gets into the Heresy.
Formosa wrote: My mate thinks it's gonna be £80 for the box, (doesn't know, doesn't work in marketing), based on how things like that are usually priced.
Playing next week vs their disgusting tau with my pre heresy world eaters, should be fun!
I'm budgeting for £140 per box as people in the know are saying 3 figure cost... If its less, I'll be a happy bunny. I'm assuming £120, 20 tac marines, 5 terms and a contemptor plus characters. Hopefully the next 2 weeks will tell.
Wonderwolf wrote: Assuming the new BL-Series is successful (probably not HH-successful, but hey), FW might pick it up again, and if FW is successful with it again, GW might again take note.
I'm not sure that you understand. The two situations aren't similar, just because the premise is that *GW will have* 30K miniatures to sell, first through this boxed set, and then separately going forward per Hastings. Besides, FW already has an entire line of SM miniatures for that era.
The BL series may very well have no connection to the new plastics. But some idle forum speculation doesn't seem out of line given the timing of the BL release and their choice of setting. Why in the 32rd millenium and not the 41st?
The BL series may very well have no connection to the new plastics. But some idle forum speculation doesn't seem out of line given the timing of the BL release and their choice of setting. Why in the 32rd millenium and not the 41st?
Yeah, but the "Horus Heresy" didn't fill much more room in the background than the entry on "the Beast", back in 2005. A pic of Horus facing the Emperor over dead Sanguinius. A few obscure pieces of concept art.
Black Library took those snippets and spun them into (initially) interesting books that provided a sufficiently detailed setting for somebody to place a game of its own in it.
Sure, if GW launches something parallel to the new Beast-books, it would be a different product. But it would probably fail for the same reasons most of the pre-FW game-books by FW also failed to "stick" in the fluff for the broader majority of players.
FW-Heresy was successful, because FW realised their on Mymerodia or whatever writing sucked and theyd be better off tagging along the (better) Black Library stuff instead of doing it by themselves. And the better BL/Heresy-stuff (in my opinion) was better, because it wasn't written mainly/only to sell miniatures. It was written to tell a story (even if BL kinda lost their way there).
Gorgon's M32 idea - which is what I too think could happen - would also allow GW to release kits that are close to the HH and also to 40k.
Those already leaked Mk4 Marines with the for HH unusual number of weapons could be a hint for that. Also 12 book releases throughout an entire year, one each month, makes some accompanying miniature releases at least likely.
M32 could provide a different ruleset without interfering with HH from FW.
Edit: Found the posts from Hastings in Feb 2015 regarding Xenos and also HH from GW is not using the 40k rule system
Hastings later suggested it might broaden over time to include more than just marines vs. marines.
Originally Posted by my_name_is_tudor
Personally I don't think there's any version of a 30K game that could get me particularly excited, given my assumption that it would focus on the good marines/bad marines bust up and not all the other interesting stuff the Galaxy has to offer...
Originally Posted by 75hastings69
well maybe not initially
This is partially true. The "starter set" is in fact a standalone game, however I'll accept starter set as it does lead onto the main 30k game. I think it's safe to assume that 30k could/will have a different game mechanic to 40k, or it would be pretty pointless as a standalone game. Hence the reason that some boxes will contain rules for both 30 & 40k (if the rules weren't different they'd only include 1 set of rules.
Assuming it works on a similar timeline (probably not), it would be a few years.
2006 - Black Library releases Horus Rising (and hits the jackpot)
2012 - FW releases Angron & the first FW-Heresy book.
2015 - Presumably GW-main/studio gets into the Heresy.
2015 - Black Library releases Beast Arises
tbc...
Forgeworld was coming out with the old mark armor for several years prior to the release of the first HH game book. Now we can assume with hindsight that it wasn't just a lark or in conjunction with Badab War books but rather to make sure they had a stock of the common armors needed during their impending HH release. It's still a few years after BL but we can realistically move the HH date for FW back to around 2010 which is the earliest reference I've found for them releasing HH era stuff (even without the HH label technically).
Really, most of what I want out of this rumored set is the Contemptor. I am not overly in need of Tactical Marines, though it would help me complete a full Battle Company.
Hobbit shelfs will go away, Heresy shelfs will stay
I need a new word, one that is at once NOOOOO and HOOORAAAY! Because the death of the Hobbit is a rather high price for HH as far as I'm concerned, but plastic HH is awesome!
Hobbit shelfs will go away, Heresy shelfs will stay
I need a new word, one that is at once NOOOOO and HOOORAAAY! Because the death of the Hobbit is a rather high price for HH as far as I'm concerned, but plastic HH is awesome!
no - killing LoTR is a high price, ... or atleast it would have been a few years ago^^
the Hobbit is dead - i never saw someone buy boxes or playing it here ... so it's good for GW (also - the Hobbit/LoTR licences weren't cheap, i guess they made more money with the old Warhammer Fantasy than Hobbit these days ...)
A topic for another place, but it would be interesting to see why it fell so far short of the LoTR release.
Of course I wasn't in a store for launch but can't imagine it being anything like the atmosphere for the LoTR releases - working in a store at the time, the boxes were being brought in from delivery and barely sitting on the shelves before being sold, it was pretty crazy but awesome at the same time.
Overall the Hobbit was nowhere near as massive a hit as the original trilogy was. I think GW didn't see this, seeing as we're still stuck with Goblin Town special editions. I can only speak for my own FLGS, but around there the Hobbit has been nothing but a waste of space collecting dust, with only one or two items sold over time, most of it now recalled or sent back to make place for Age of Sigmar and more 40k goodies.
But, it's best for GW to move on and dive into something quite a lot of people have been clamouring for. I think the Horus Heresy will be their next little cash cow for sure. Even if the rules of the boxed set are naff, they will still be snatched up like mad as a cheaper alternative to FW's models. All you need is one or more of their excellent books and you are good to go.
Pacific wrote: A topic for another place, but it would be interesting to see why it fell so far short of the LoTR release.
Of course I wasn't in a store for launch but can't imagine it being anything like the atmosphere for the LoTR releases - working in a store at the time, the boxes were being brought in from delivery and barely sitting on the shelves before being sold, it was pretty crazy but awesome at the same time.
Not to go off topic, but a quick answer:
1) LOTR movies were 10x better and 10x more successful than Hobbit movies.
2) LOTR game pulled from 70 years of history, 2/3 of hobbit was made up in the movies.
3) LOTR minis were far cheaper. Starting out at 24 models for 20 bucks. The hobbit models were in the 10 for 40 range. Far too expensive for people starting out.
4) LOTR had a huge following including a younger audience. Hobbit never got that. So we didn't have stores full of 10-16 year olds building models.
5) Hobbit did not have a lot of different armies, different heroes. LOTR had a huge range of models to collect.
I can't wait for HH. Unlike the baffling Age of Sigmar, this will tap into a large audience of excited gamers. I expect to see lots of people building armies, playing games, having fun. It's a very engaging story and background.
I'm glad to see the end of the LOTR/Hobbit stuff. That always felt like the little tag-along sibling that mom forced you to take with you when you wanted to go out.
Moopy wrote: I'm glad to see the end of the LOTR/Hobbit stuff. That always felt like the little tag-along sibling that mom forced you to take with them when you wanted to go out.
Proper room for HH? YES PLEASE
I hated it the most in the White Dwarf back when I had a subscription in 3rd edition 40k. It felt like two separate magazines there.
BrookM wrote: Overall the Hobbit was nowhere near as massive a hit as the original trilogy was. I think GW didn't see this, seeing as we're still stuck with Goblin Town special editions. I can only speak for my own FLGS, but around there the Hobbit has been nothing but a waste of space collecting dust, with only one or two items sold over time, most of it now recalled or sent back to make place for Age of Sigmar and more 40k goodies.
But, it's best for GW to move on and dive into something quite a lot of people have been clamouring for. I think the Horus Heresy will be their next little cash cow for sure. Even if the rules of the boxed set are naff, they will still be snatched up like mad as a cheaper alternative to FW's models. All you need is one or more of their excellent books and you are good to go.
The ridiculous price and what you got for it may be the main culprit, if they had priced it a lot cheaper they could have brought in a lot of new players alas it is GW we are talking about.
I hope this is true, but like always i'll wait until i see the prices.
So people seem really excited for HH stuff from GW, not Forgeworld, but a thought just occurred to me.
The reason people are liking the FWHH stuff right now is because it is handled by FW and not GW surely. Plastic HH armour is still just another form of GW plastic armour, it is not going to be as good as FW resin. If the rules are different from the HH ones then GW will be writing them and they will NOT be as good. Even if they are the same, for it to be on a GW shelf that would, to me at least, imply GW are taking over from FW and will ruin the rules.
I'm suddenly thinking the last thing I want for the HH is for GW to take over it, they seem to have heavily influenced how BL handled the novels and that seems to have turned to crap. I'd hate to see the same happen to Warhammer 30k.
jonolikespie wrote: The reason people are liking the FWHH stuff right now is because it is handled by FW and not GW surely.
Not especially, no. For the most part, people just like the older armour marks.
Plastic HH armour is still just another form of GW plastic armour, it is not going to be as good as FW resin.
On character models there might be a perceptible difference, and that might be enough of a difference to warrant the price difference... but for rank and file troops the difference between plastic and resin is going to be negligible, and is going to be counterbalanced against the ease of working with plastic compared to resin and (somewhat) the price.
That's assuming, of course, that Forgeworld even bother to continue producing power armour once the plastics are out, which seems somewhat unlikely. I could see conversion kits remaining, but I would expect the full armour kits to disappear once there are plastic alternatives.
insaniak wrote: That's assuming, of course, that Forgeworld even bother to continue producing power armour once the plastics are out, which seems somewhat unlikely. I could see conversion kits remaining, but I would expect the full armour kits to disappear once there are plastic alternatives.
I think they will, but in different ways. For example most of the chapter specific squads have been in MK4 armor. There's been some exceptions but the units and chapter specific torsos are Mk4.
jonolikespie wrote: The reason people are liking the FWHH stuff right now is because it is handled by FW and not GW surely.
Of course. The books, especially those Legion lists, are Codex Writing 101 as far as I'm concerned and I wish that GW would emulate that for their books.
If GW end up doing the HH books and rules then I will probably walk from the hobby. I have no interest in paying £35 for a new book every year or two, or waiting to see if the bin the whole lot in favour of "age of angry man" and his "Horus Scrolls"
Daston wrote: If GW end up doing the HH books and rules then I will probably walk from the hobby. I have no interest in paying £35 for a new book every year or two, or waiting to see if the bin the whole lot in favour of "age of angry man" and his "Horus Scrolls"
So you don't pay ~£75 per book once or twice a year from FW already?
jonolikespie wrote: So people seem really excited for HH stuff from GW, not Forgeworld, but a thought just occurred to me.
The reason people are liking the FWHH stuff right now is because it is handled by FW and not GW surely.
No.
1) FW had a lot of failed attempts of trying to revitalize less popular miniatures (incl. Fantasy). The FW-brand did or their vaunted writing-skillz nothing there.
2) Space Marines/Heresy was a hit before FW ever took a stab at it. The Heresy-brand was already a hit without FW.
Heresy is the thing that draws, and FW profited from that "spill-over"-appeal for the last few years, not the other way around.
Mostly, people like Heresy because it allows them to play Space Marines without getting "that look" for being "another" Space Marine player. That's about it. If GW (or even FW) did a 40K starter with Space Marines on both sides, the Nerd-more-Xenos-Rage would boil to high heavens. Even Dark Vengeance took flak for being "Power Armour vs. Power Armour". Take away all the details on those Space Marine miniatures and put the Heresy-stamp on there, and people can't stop salivating.
The "FW" brand-stamp is less relevant than the "Horus Heresy"-brand stamp.
Wonderwolf wrote: 1) FW had a lot of failed attempts of trying to revitalize less popular miniatures (incl. Fantasy). The FW-brand did or their vaunted writing-skillz nothing there.
1) FW didn't try to revive WHFB with a whole new expansion and tons of support for it, they just published a few models here and there. Their WHFB stuff was never more than a slight distraction from the main line of 40k products.
2) You're talking about an era before GW went from writing mediocre rules to actively trying to kill 40k. The main reason people like FW's 30k rules so much isn't that they're amazing innovation, it's that they're a continuation of the old style of GW rules from before 6th edition started pushing everything into insanity. No formations, no unbound armies, LoW are heavily limited, no death stars with five different codices stacking up special rules, etc. Same thing with the expansions. GW publishes planetstrike/cities of death/etc expansions that consist of a deck of maelstrom cards and "buy terrain kits because terrain is cool". FW publishes similar expansions with detailed rules, interesting fluff-based missions, a whole campaign system, etc. Those "better rules" selling points simply didn't exist with FW's WHFB stuff because AoS hadn't arrived yet.
2) Space Marines/Heresy was a hit before FW ever took a stab at it. The Heresy-brand was a hit without FW.
It was, but only with a hardcore few. FW's 30k books transformed 30k-era gaming from a few people converting power armor and using 40k rules to a whole new expansion with new model kits (including vehicles, characters, etc) and much wider popularity.
Mostly, people like Heresy because it allows them to play Space Marines without getting "that look" for being "another" Space Marine player.
And because it's just plain better than 40k right now. TBH if FW ever releases an elegant way to convert Eldar/Tau/etc into 30k there will no longer be any reason to even consider playing 40k.
And because it's just plain better than 40k right now. TBH if FW ever releases an elegant way to convert Eldar/Tau/etc into 30k there will no longer be any reason to even consider playing 40k.
There is no elegant way to bring Xenos to the Heresy. Because the whole thing is called "The Horus Heresy", not "30K". It's not about any given point in time, but about a particular conflict, notably between Space Marines vs. Space Marines.
If FW (or GW) wants to do "historic" Xenos, they'd probably be better off picking iconic wars for these Xenos. War in Heaven for Necrons vs. Eldar. Maybe Beast Arises for Orks (vs. Imperium presumably). Maybe 45K for Tau vs. Tyranids as "last-species"-standing.
Bringing, say, Eldar into the Heresy would be as thematic a fail as bringing the Heresy-Legions into a War in Heaven setting/book-series.
Don't know where you're getting your erroneous ideas from, Wonderwolf, but FW were never about "Reviving" ranges. They did what they thought was interesting, produced some amazing books and resin kits. Tamarkun (sp?) was well received, especially for Chaos Dwarf players. Indeed, in all GW annual reports, FW have always showed strong sales, this shows that they have always been a popular attraction. Their 30k release has been a hit because of the quality of the kits, rules and the large books they produce. Before FW, you had the odd attempt at pre-heresy, but nowhere near what you have now.
Myself, for example. the Black Library's Heresy Series didn't attract me until FW started doing what they are doing. The amazing FW books are the prime reason I am "Into" 30k. I have always found the Forgeworld books, whether it is an Imperial Armour or Age of Darkness book, explore and enrich the background tremendously and in ways that the Black Library series doesn't and that embarrass the Codex books.
zedmeister wrote: Don't know where you're getting your erroneous ideas from, Wonderwolf, but FW were never about "Reviving" ranges. They did what they thought was interesting, produced some amazing books and resin kits. Tamarkun (sp?) was well received, especially for Chaos Dwarf players. Indeed, in all GW annual reports, FW have always showed strong sales, this shows that they have always been a popular attraction. Their 30k release has been a hit because of the quality of the kits, rules and the large books they produce. Before FW, you had the odd attempt at pre-heresy, but nowhere near what you have now.
Myself, for example. the Black Library's Heresy Series didn't attract me until FW started doing what they are doing. The amazing FW books are the prime reason I am "Into" 30k. I have always found the Forgeworld books, whether it is an Imperial Armour or Age of Darkness book, explore and enrich the background tremendously and in ways that the Black Library series doesn't and that embarrass the Codex books.
1) I am not saying that people like you, who got into the Heresy by FW, didn't exist. And as you said, you were into FW before they did Heresy.
2) Also, I am not saying they don't deliver the quality you like.
But...
1) It is obvious that pre-Heresy stuff from FW sold on a far smaller scale, despite (as you acknowledged) the same superiour quality and attention to detail. That writing-quality by FW is thus not (!) a factor causal to mass-success.
2) Even if you personally don't like the BL-Heresy books, there's no denying they sold Millions of copies, catapulted BL into international book-bestseller lists were they'd never been before, and for a time with frighting regularity. The Heresy-stuff as such thus clearly is a massive success, and especially if you think the BL-stuff is gak, that would be even more proof that Heresy succeeds independed of quality, no?
1) It is obvious that pre-Heresy stuff from FW sold on a far smaller scale, despite (as you acknowledged) the same superiour quality and attention to detail. That writing-quality by FW is thus not (!) a factor causal to mass-success.
I'd argue that it is. If they'd have just stuffed out the red book, tied it in with the 40k rulebook and be done with it, I don't think it'd been quite as popular as a ruleset. The miniatures would have sold, but for use in 40k games. I'd argue the fact that they spun it off as a proper ruleset expansion on its own, along with some really quality writing and some very clever army lists has helped to bring about its position as the new 3rd product line.
2) Even if you personally don't like the BL-Heresy books, there's no denying they sold Millions of copies, catapulted BL into international book-bestseller lists were they'd never been before, and for a time with frighting regularity. The Heresy-stuff as such thus clearly is a massive success, and especially if you think the BL-stuff is gak, that would be even more proof that Heresy succeeds independed of quality, no?
Never said the Black Library stuff was gak, nor did I say it wasn't popular. Its popularity as a series is undeniable. Forgeworld capitalised on that quite smartly. However, that does not mean that Forgeworld were "struggling" before as you implied with your failed attempts comment.
Yes, FW did many things right that they could've done wrong. But as you said, Heresy was popular before and is popular in other product lines, such as the BL stuff.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that it will also be (and remain) popular as a GW-studio product line.
The theory/claim by jonolikespie was that it people liked Heresy because of Forgeworld. That is wrong. People liked and like and probably will continue to like Heresy independently of Forgeworld. Customers particularly sensitive to quality, like you, being a previous FW-customer predating even their HH-line, will likely continue with FW.
But a large % of people were/are into the Heresy because it is the Heresy, They might have gone FW, because FW did Heresy, but many they not be as sensitive to "writing quality" or "resin miniature detais" as you, especially if money is a factor in the mix.
Indeed, there are likely even lots of customers out there, that are into the Heresy but have not gone to FW, because their sensitivety to price (or the perceived jump to resin from plastic) weighs heavier for them than their preference for Heresy-product.
It's precisely these people who will likely pick up GW-studio Heresy (while the FW-hardcores presumably lose nothing, assuming FW will not just stop doing Heresy).
Daston wrote: If GW end up doing the HH books and rules then I will probably walk from the hobby. I have no interest in paying £35 for a new book every year or two, or waiting to see if the bin the whole lot in favour of "age of angry man" and his "Horus Scrolls"
So you don't pay ~£75 per book once or twice a year from FW already?
No I pay £30 for the thin red codex that's better quality than the crap 6th edition codex's and cheaper to boot.
You kind of need the £75 books to stay up to date, the £30 ones weren't available until fairly recently. The £30 books do make GW's £35 6th ed Codex books look like a terrible proposition, though. Too much remains to be seen about what exactly is coming to make any of this discussion worthwhile, though. Don't all our most reliable sources still say this is a board game?
There is no elegant way to bring Xenos to the Heresy. Because the whole thing is called "The Horus Heresy", not "30K". It's not about any given point in time, but about a particular conflict, notably between Space Marines vs. Space Marines.
Bringing, say, Eldar into the Heresy would be as thematic a fail as bringing the Heresy-Legions into a War in Heaven setting/book-series.
There is no elegant way to bring Xenos to the Heresy. Because the whole thing is called "The Horus Heresy", not "30K". It's not about any given point in time, but about a particular conflict, notably between Space Marines vs. Space Marines.
Bringing, say, Eldar into the Heresy would be as thematic a fail as bringing the Heresy-Legions into a War in Heaven setting/book-series.
Yup, total fail..
And you haven't even quoted any of the books yet either.
Which have confirmed there were Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar (iirc there is mention of Eldar having 'dark kin' in plenty which makes people very wary about dealing with them as no way of knowing which type of Eldar you are talking to for most Imperials) and if you really want the ultimate definition of a counts-as race if I saw one...the Megarachnids.
jonolikespie wrote: So people seem really excited for HH stuff from GW, not Forgeworld, but a thought just occurred to me.
The reason people are liking the FWHH stuff right now is because it is handled by FW and not GW surely. Plastic HH armour is still just another form of GW plastic armour, it is not going to be as good as FW resin. If the rules are different from the HH ones then GW will be writing them and they will NOT be as good. Even if they are the same, for it to be on a GW shelf that would, to me at least, imply GW are taking over from FW and will ruin the rules.
I'm suddenly thinking the last thing I want for the HH is for GW to take over it, they seem to have heavily influenced how BL handled the novels and that seems to have turned to crap. I'd hate to see the same happen to Warhammer 30k.
I think that is a gross oversimplificcation. For me personally, the only "older" armor I like is the mk IV and I actually don't like the older more medieval full plate looking ones for the most part compared with current 40k armors (and Mk 8 is my favorite). I used to like the HH because it's grimdark but yet not grimdark. 40k lays on the decaying imperium only hope for humanity but still oppressively evil very thick and it's nice to have a bit of hope injected into the universe outside of the realm of Ultramar. Then add in the power/scale/coolness of the primarchs and the emperor not being a zombie on a toilet. Those are just the two biggest for me.
There is no elegant way to bring Xenos to the Heresy. Because the whole thing is called "The Horus Heresy", not "30K". It's not about any given point in time, but about a particular conflict, notably between Space Marines vs. Space Marines.
Bringing, say, Eldar into the Heresy would be as thematic a fail as bringing the Heresy-Legions into a War in Heaven setting/book-series.
Yup, total fail..
And you haven't even quoted any of the books yet either.
Which have confirmed there were Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar (iirc there is mention of Eldar having 'dark kin' in plenty which makes people very wary about dealing with them as no way of knowing which type of Eldar you are talking to for most Imperials) and if you really want the ultimate definition of a counts-as race if I saw one...the Megarachnids.
I'm not sure if any Eldar is referred to as 'dark kin' or similar but there are several depictions of eldar conforming to the aestetics and mannerisms we connect with the Dark eldar. (Butcher's nails and Promethean Sun has some pretty deliberate dark-eldarish descriptions). Going by the eldar timeline; at the time of the heresy there has already been plenty of time for both the craftworlders and the dark to have already solidified their cultures into much as they appear in 40k
Might as well not even say "xenos" when talking about 30k, just say Orks and/or Eldar because that's all you're going to get.
Sure there are other races, but they were all dead by the time of the Heresy (or don't leave their planets). None of those random races would get models, thus they don't matter anyway.
Orks, Eldar, and Dark Eldar were around, of course.
Then you have Tyranids counting as a variety of Megarachnid-type races.
And then you have Tau standing in for the same role they play in 40k - an insignificant but highly advanced speedbump race. Many small empires like these were met (and eradicated) during the Great Crusade.
And the Necrons were around too, they just weren't awake on a wide scale. I'm sure at least a few Tomb Worlds were awoken early by some intrepid Explorator team.
This all makes the most sense for 30k, and has only limited Horus Heresy crossover, but many people do want to play the Great Crusade. I don't see why you would poo-poo that.
This all makes the most sense for 30k, and has only limited Horus Heresy crossover, but many people do want to play the Great Crusade. I don't see why you would poo-poo that.
This! I love Forgeworld's depictions of the Great Crusade campaigns in each of the Chapters background and history, from the liberation of strange worlds, otherworldly aliens and strange technology. The description and artwork of Port Maw is a highlight and even then you've got the excellent background of House Orhlacc, The Imperial Fists void conquest (whose name escapes me), on and on. I can't get enough of this stuff! I love the exploration of the wider universe which, to me, has been lost in a lot of GW's recent stuff. Now, all I need is for the long promised Rogue Trader Militant list (and models) to be released and I'll be as happy as a pig in gak!
But the HH stuff is great, and has much more of my attention now than 40K. It's flavorful and fun, with terrific treatments of the Legions, and...more sanity than we have with 40K these days, IMO.
zedmeister wrote: Now, all I need is for the long promised Rogue Trader Militant list (and models) to be released and I'll be as happy as a pig in gak!
zedmeister wrote: Now, all I need is for the long promised Rogue Trader Militant list (and models) to be released and I'll be as happy as a pig in gak!
That would be the Solar Auxilia list in Book 4.
Indeed, the Solar Auxilia list from Conquest can be used to represent those within Imperial society who have been granted such a honour. More than once the book and the list makes a reference to this. The list certainly allows for an excellent elite fighting force not made up of Astartes. I use the list for a Rogue Trader fleet of my own, there are certainly enough options present to make your Lord Marshal as unique as possible.
jonolikespie wrote: So people seem really excited for HH stuff from GW, not Forgeworld, but a thought just occurred to me.
The reason people are liking the FWHH stuff right now is because it is handled by FW and not GW surely.
No.
1) FW had a lot of failed attempts of trying to revitalize less popular miniatures (incl. Fantasy). The FW-brand did or their vaunted writing-skillz nothing there.
2) Space Marines/Heresy was a hit before FW ever took a stab at it. The Heresy-brand was already a hit without FW.
Heresy is the thing that draws, and FW profited from that "spill-over"-appeal for the last few years, not the other way around.
I agree, although it helps that FW have done what they have done with it and not gone OTT.
There is always the thought that as soon as GW start this you're going to have some massive plastic kits that look like they should have flashing lights and fire plastic missiles, and things that look like the Centurion or Dreadknight.
zedmeister wrote: Now, all I need is for the long promised Rogue Trader Militant list (and models) to be released and I'll be as happy as a pig in gak!
That would be the Solar Auxilia list in Book 4.
Not quite. It's do, but I'm hoping for a proper Rogue Trader expedition list whatever it appears as. It's been constantly mentioned as possibly allies in all the HH books so far.
Just hoping they(GW) leave the Legion lists alone and not screw up something that's already perfect when they make their board game. If there's a rules change on a major scale I might be selling off at least one of my Legion armies.
I think it's become fairly clear that GW's board game is a separate product to FW's HH series.
I have my fingers crossed for a plastic Spartan like you wouldn't believe. I have a resin one, and I'm scared to even start it based on the horror stories I've heard about the tracks.
Chatting to my GW guy today - some friends had been speculating that the "big" November release was a new 40k edition, but when I suggested it was this instead he strongly hinted it might be.
If that's right, a mid-Nov (14th or so) release would be what happens, putting the 7th earlier in the thread as pre-orders day.
This all makes the most sense for 30k, and has only limited Horus Heresy crossover, but many people do want to play the Great Crusade. I don't see why you would poo-poo that.
This! I love Forgeworld's depictions of the Great Crusade campaigns in each of the Chapters background and history, from the liberation of strange worlds, otherworldly aliens and strange technology. The description and artwork of Port Maw is a highlight and even then you've got the excellent background of House Orhlacc, The Imperial Fists void conquest (whose name escapes me), on and on. I can't get enough of this stuff! I love the exploration of the wider universe which, to me, has been lost in a lot of GW's recent stuff. Now, all I need is for the long promised Rogue Trader Militant list (and models) to be released and I'll be as happy as a pig in gak!
I never been as big on the great crusade, because to me the narrative of 40k is Order vs the arch-enemy(Chaos), and chaos/warp dosen't play as big a role in great crusade as they do in dureing long night or post HH.
To me, it's the Great Scourging after the HH that is the most interesting to me. With the traitors falling back to the eye of terror, the imperiuem trying to rebuild after the HH, and Xenos taking advantage of the situation and reclaiming territory they lost during the great crusades.
Some of tyhe old concepts like Tarellian Dog-Soldiers and Saharduin brought back to life for a post HH/Great Scourging would be more interesting in my mind. Because then you still have the threat of chaos with more predatory xenos threatening a weakened imperiuem.
(Plus the fact allies have been part of 40k for ahwile now, it's a shame Tarellians never made a come back. It's a system like that is what GW needed to do them justice.)
There is no elegant way to bring Xenos to the Heresy. Because the whole thing is called "The Horus Heresy", not "30K". It's not about any given point in time, but about a particular conflict, notably between Space Marines vs. Space Marines.
Bringing, say, Eldar into the Heresy would be as thematic a fail as bringing the Heresy-Legions into a War in Heaven setting/book-series.
Yup, total fail..
And you haven't even quoted any of the books yet either.
Which have confirmed there were Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar (iirc there is mention of Eldar having 'dark kin' in plenty which makes people very wary about dealing with them as no way of knowing which type of Eldar you are talking to for most Imperials) and if you really want the ultimate definition of a counts-as race if I saw one...the Megarachnids.
I'm not sure if any Eldar is referred to as 'dark kin' or similar but there are several depictions of eldar conforming to the aestetics and mannerisms we connect with the Dark eldar. (Butcher's nails and Promethean Sun has some pretty deliberate dark-eldarish descriptions). Going by the eldar timeline; at the time of the heresy there has already been plenty of time for both the craftworlders and the dark to have already solidified their cultures into much as they appear in 40k
One of the Eldar in Angel Exterminatus specifically mentions Commorragh.
There is no elegant way to bring Xenos to the Heresy. Because the whole thing is called "The Horus Heresy", not "30K". It's not about any given point in time, but about a particular conflict, notably between Space Marines vs. Space Marines.
Bringing, say, Eldar into the Heresy would be as thematic a fail as bringing the Heresy-Legions into a War in Heaven setting/book-series.
Yup, total fail..
And you haven't even quoted any of the books yet either.
Which have confirmed there were Orks, Eldar, Dark Eldar (iirc there is mention of Eldar having 'dark kin' in plenty which makes people very wary about dealing with them as no way of knowing which type of Eldar you are talking to for most Imperials) and if you really want the ultimate definition of a counts-as race if I saw one...the Megarachnids.
I'm not sure if any Eldar is referred to as 'dark kin' or similar but there are several depictions of eldar conforming to the aestetics and mannerisms we connect with the Dark eldar. (Butcher's nails and Promethean Sun has some pretty deliberate dark-eldarish descriptions). Going by the eldar timeline; at the time of the heresy there has already been plenty of time for both the craftworlders and the dark to have already solidified their cultures into much as they appear in 40k
One of the Eldar in Angel Exterminatus specifically mentions Commorragh.
Spoilers:
Spoiler:
He was a Dark Eldar, pretending to be a craft world eldar, well a actual craft world eldar farseer was sending warnings to the Iron Hands warning them and guiding them to stop his evil kin. In the same book the Tratiors also stright up fight a army of Wraith guard during the book's climax. Eldrad and his body gaurds also has a fight with Fulgrim and the phoenix guard in "Emperor's Children". Thows are the only times I know of dureing HH were Eldar were fighting traitors in open combat.
He was a Dark Eldar, pretending to be a craft world eldar, well a actual craft world eldar farseer was sending warnings to the Iron Hands warning them and guiding them to stop his evil kin. In the same book the Tratiors also stright up fight a army of Wraith guard during the book's climax. Eldrad and his body gaurds also has a fight with Fulgrim and the phoenix guard in "Emperor's Children". Thows are the only times I know of dureing HH were Eldar were fighting traitors in open combat.
ANGEL EXTERMINATUS *demonic choir music from the Omen in the background when you say that* is hands down one of the worst books to have been released by BL, let alone the Heresy series. The ending felt like a Dragonball Z episode in written form, the only thing it was missing was Fulgrim flying through the air, firing laser beams from his eyes and screaming in Japanese.
So far FW at least have managed to keep the description of the Heresy as a kind of psuedo 'realistic' military feel, as you imagine Marines might behave if they were to exist (as funny as that sounds, I really think that's the reason a lot of the Imperial Armour books were so popular in terms of the narrative). Still waiting to see if GW manage to twist this into OTT, Mega Super-Hero & friends childish pap.
I quite enjoyed Angel Exterminatus. And really enjoyed a book finally featuring my favorite Primarch. Also the way it tied it in to later IW related books by McNeil was pretty great.
As for the game I'm interested and we'll see what it looks like once it's out.
Pacific wrote: ANGEL EXTERMINATUS *demonic choir music from the Omen in the background when you say that* is hands down one of the worst books to have been released by BL, let alone the Heresy series. The ending felt like a Dragonball Z episode in written form, the only thing it was missing was Fulgrim flying through the air, firing laser beams from his eyes and screaming in Japanese.
So far FW at least have managed to keep the description of the Heresy as a kind of psuedo 'realistic' military feel, as you imagine Marines might behave if they were to exist (as funny as that sounds, I really think that's the reason a lot of the Imperial Armour books were so popular in terms of the narrative). Still waiting to see if GW manage to twist this into OTT, Mega Super-Hero & friends childish pap.
I kinda know what you mean, but at some point these traitor primarchs have to ascend to princehood and become big, scary monsters. And a big cinematic power-up moment -- whether a rain of blood or a swirl of eldar souls -- seems appropriate in that context.
Fulgrim's ascension might have been over the top, but we are talking about Fulgrim, the Emperor's Children and Slaanesh here. It's a flamboyant bunch.
Besides, for pure OTT-ness, I think the events on Signus Prime trump anything else we've seen to this point.
That is, of course, aside from the initial May(2015)-release prediction
via a Reader here on Faeit 212
confirmed that HH was coming to regular GW stores.
A starter box set for 2 players with 'generic', non-Legion specific Heresy-era units is coming in May. Wasn't specific on plans beyond that, apart from that FW will take care of Legion-specific upgrade packs, unique units and any other stuff that GW doesn't want to run in plastic.
Apparently the demand for HH stuff has been so intense GW is centralizing the range.
Didn't mention anything about FW in stores though.
The details on the Horus Heresy boxed set keep on coming. Here’s the latest:
via Steve the Warboss 2-25-2015
-Gaming Set Includes a Suppliment for the Age of Darkness
-Rules and a Dettachment for Playing Legio Astartes and Xenos in the Past of 40k -A new Allied Matrix including Xenos of the 31st Millenium
-Very generic Dataslates for the Models, only the featured Characters will have specific Background, but can used for any Legion
-Unlike the previous Sets, the Squads will have no unique Leaders, only names “Sergeant”
-Box will include 6 versions of new Sprues
I think he was posting it specifically to point out that they'd previously said it was definitely May, so there's no point listening now they're saying it's definitely November.
SW1, on 25 Oct 2015 - 1:04 PM, said:
I was in a GWS today and the manager mentioned there's a new big release with pre-order 7th. He's getting a big box a week before to paint up. No mention in the e-mail what it would contain and it's all hush hush until then.
Don't think he's going to let me have a look before but anyone with a local GWS may want to see if they can get a glimps of the new release as of the beginning of the month especially of there getting the painting done in store in work time.
From Praefectus Invictus on bolter and chain sword:
Praefectus Invictus, on 25 Oct 2015 - 2:57 PM, said:
Yeah all the managers in Aus have been called into HQ for a new release. I asked a bit about it and my manager said the last time is happened was with AoS, so I wouldn't be surpirsed if it was plastic heresy.
My local gw manager showed us some bits of paper which usesly have the army on and go on the selfs with horus heresy on them in red with no black libary symbol.
e.earnshaw wrote: My local gw manager showed us some bits of paper which usesly have the army on and go on the selfs with horus heresy on them in red with no black libary symbol.
I never really got into Horus heresy models mainly because of the price. Although seeing those sprue pics and rumours of terminators and a contemptor being in the box, this could be the minotaurs/iron warrior force im looking for.
e.earnshaw wrote: My local gw manager showed us some bits of paper which usesly have the army on and go on the selfs with horus heresy on them in red with no black libary symbol.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: After so many months I thought this thread would fail to bear anymore fruit.
I'm so glad I was wrong!
EDIT: That said, I'm also apprehensive. GW better not go messing about with FWs 30K books...
I think it is going to be similar to the assassin game, as in stand alone rules, but minis can be added to 40k without any adaptation (unlike space hulk, which require a modification to the bases). The normal rules won't be affected. That's the impression I've been given anyway.
Don't have speakers at work, can anyone summarize what is in the trailer?
Now I'm stoked for the first leaked pictures other than bad lighted sprue pics.
I just want to know what the models are to see if it's worth the bother or not.
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Hanskrampf wrote: Don't have speakers at work, can anyone summarize what is in the trailer?
Now I'm stoked for the first leaked pictures other than bad lighted sprue pics.
Alss, this, please? Some kindness to us Battle Brothers trapped at work.
Hanskrampf wrote: Don't have speakers at work, can anyone summarize what is in the trailer?
Now I'm stoked for the first leaked pictures other than bad lighted sprue pics.
Alss, this, please? Some kindness to us Battle Brothers trapped at work.
It's nothing we don't already know- It talks about how the galaxy is in flames. The Emperor's plans for humanity are in ruin, betrayed by Horus. The Space Marines are locked in civil war, and the age of enlightenment is now replaced by an age of darkness.
Hanskrampf wrote: Don't have speakers at work, can anyone summarize what is in the trailer?
Now I'm stoked for the first leaked pictures other than bad lighted sprue pics.
Alss, this, please? Some kindness to us Battle Brothers trapped at work.
It is a time of legend.
The galaxy is in flames.
The Emperor's glorious vision for humanity is in ruins.
His favoured son, Horus, has turned from his father's light and embraced Chaos.
His armies, the mighty and redoubtable space marines, are locked in a brutal civil war.
The age of knowledge and enlightenment has ended.
The age of darkness has begun.
The Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth.
A miniatures game of desperate battle in the 31st millenium.
Hanskrampf wrote: Don't have speakers at work, can anyone summarize what is in the trailer?
Now I'm stoked for the first leaked pictures other than bad lighted sprue pics.
Alss, this, please? Some kindness to us Battle Brothers trapped at work.
It is a time of legend.
The galaxy is in flames.
The Emperor's glorious vision for humanity is in ruins.
His favoured son, Horus, has turned from his father's light and embraced Chaos.
His armies, the mighty and redoubtable space marines, are locked in a brutal civil war.
The age of knowledge and enlightenment has ended.
The age of darkness has begun.
The Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth.
A miniatures game of desperate battle in the 31st millenium.
Graven Games: It’s official! The Horus Heresy miniatures game from GW will be available for pre-order starting on November 7th and will be called Betrayal At Calth.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: also note we're getting a massive extra weeks notice of this officaially existing, gw is really pushing the envelope here
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: also note we're getting a massive extra weeks notice of this officaially existing, gw is really pushing the envelope here
They are desperate for cash. They need this to prop up end of year sales. The heresy has been so watered down though its becoming boring.
On the plus side, you'll be able to paint these as whatever Legion you like since they won't have any specific markings looking at those sprue pics from a while ago.
That's what I've heard as well. The minis should convert nicely to any legion, especially if we can take advantage of the all the FW MK4 chests/heads/shoulder pads.
angelofvengeance wrote: On the plus side, you'll be able to paint these as whatever Legion you like since they won't have any specific markings looking at those sprue pics from a while ago.
What??? I haven't seen these!
Halp! I must see them! *Grabs at straws of Contemptors*
So do they go up for preorder on the 7th, or released on the 7th? I should get paid on the 13th so that'll be in time to preorder of it goes up for preorder on the 7th.
Time to get the Corvidae Cult of the Thousand Sons up and running.....
Gives me an excuse to paint my boxes like Blood Ravens! Huzzah!
Actually more excited about this than anything else GW has done in a while. Looking forward to cracking open a new box set for that 'new plastic' smell!
If it is, we'll have concrete proof that GW's management is bonkers. This'll be like printing money. I haven't bought any 40k stuff in years (I broke down and got some Fantasy when a local store was having a big AoS sale for some KoW Kingdoms of Men Stuff), but this has my interest.
If it is, we'll have concrete proof that GW's management is bonkers. This'll be like printing money. I haven't bought any 40k stuff in years (I broke down and got some Fantasy when a local store was having a big AoS sale for some KoW Kingdoms of Men Stuff), but this has my interest.
We don't need this to prove GW is bonkers. They've been like that for years lol.
If it is, we'll have concrete proof that GW's management is bonkers. This'll be like printing money. I haven't bought any 40k stuff in years (I broke down and got some Fantasy when a local store was having a big AoS sale for some KoW Kingdoms of Men Stuff), but this has my interest.
Agreed. Depending on the box contents, I might buy 2 of them.
If it is, we'll have concrete proof that GW's management is bonkers. This'll be like printing money. I haven't bought any 40k stuff in years (I broke down and got some Fantasy when a local store was having a big AoS sale for some KoW Kingdoms of Men Stuff), but this has my interest.
It could be that the boxed set will be available first, when it sells out? It's gone...until the individual components get released.
We're seeing this right now with the Tidewall after all.
If it is, we'll have concrete proof that GW's management is bonkers. This'll be like printing money. I haven't bought any 40k stuff in years (I broke down and got some Fantasy when a local store was having a big AoS sale for some KoW Kingdoms of Men Stuff), but this has my interest.
It could be that the boxed set will be available first, when it sells out? It's gone...until the individual components get released.
We're seeing this right now with the Tidewall after all.
Well, I guess that depends if plastic Heresy is going to be a line GW continues to support.
Did GW ever release any of the plastics from the Assassin game for general release?
