angelofvengeance wrote: These aren't the same as Battle Systems. These are more like Space Hulk doors except there's no fancy plastic clip. It's a gakky round piece of black plastic, with a slot on top of it for the card to go in. There's no trimming involved. Either the slot is too narrow for the card, or the card is too thick for the slot.
I know they aren't the same as Battle Systems as I've used them. The black clip has 3 indents which it uses to hold the card in place. The issue is the fit is too tight. There are a few options. One you can trim by sanding to cutting the indents on the plastic clip to smooth or make the fit less tight. You can also reinforce the card itself like I have done. This also works for the floor tiles as fitting them and unfitting them can cause wear and tear on the edges of the board.
The first step is to take a razor blade to trim any excess paper. In some cases some parts of the card did slightly rip with punching, this happens with most games even X-Wing board. Even when the pieces came out nicely, taking the blade flat to the edges will help slightly trim a very small sliver of an edge which can get caught and causes the tearing. After you have carefully trim the piece, then superglue the part back down if there was a part damaged. With the hard superglue plastic shell, you can take a pen or some paint to touch it up and you'll rarely notice it anymore. The board did soak up a bit more superglue so I did have to use two coats. I did an initial coat, waited for it to dry fully and then a second brush afterwards.
I have attached pictures that I took when I was trying to document and blog about it.
Spoiler:
I have highlighted the 3 parts which are snug, catch onto the board when you press the doors into the plastic clip. These can be sanded or trimmed. If you remove them completely then the board slips out and the piece usually needs two clips. The other issue with removing the tabs is the clip just slips out completely. I recommend sealing the board, although a light sand can make it less tight but still secure to the door.
When you pop out the pieces there is a small bit of paper tearing. This happens with most things that have die-cut board pieces. The little edges are what can cause tearing when using the pieces. This can be easily trimmed with a sharp blade.
This is an example of what happens when you don't trim the pieces cleanly. The small edges will catch when you slide the board pieces together causing it to rip. If the edges were sealed with super glue this would not have happened. The good news is this can be repaired and hidden fairly easily.
Using a sharp blade you can at a very small angle trim any excess pieces of board so it is a flat and even surface. Before sealing the edges with superglue this is what I do. If I would have trimmed that small overhand that I showed above before hooking the pieces together, the tearing would have been prevented.
Sorry for the bad picture. I tried to show an example of how much excess trims off of a piece by simply going across the flat surface, even on a piece that doesn't look like it has any overhangs. You can see the scraps still on the blade from the piece where I trimmed.
After trimming the pieces I then seal it with superglue. You can use the regular superglue but the kind on the brush works the best to paint it on. Most board game pieces I only need to do one light coat, with AvP I did apply two coats. I applied to first coat, waited for it to dry fully and then applied a second coat to reinforce the edges. I do these with XWing pieces and board game pieces for quite awhile and haven't had any fray despite the hard use, tossing around and even throwing of pieces we've done.
The top piece is not trimmed nor is it sealed, it has a lighter color. The piece below it has been trimmed and sealed with superglue. For the doors I actually to a thin layer to the lower part where I would be inserting it into the plastic clip. There is a bit of pressure and wear on the board where it goes into the clip, but the superglue seal stops any tearing or causing the board to flay from the constant moving and removing.
This was the damaged piece that was shown early after I've trimmed it and sealed it. I haven't touched up around the edges of where it tore so it can still be spotted. Going in with a Sharpie or paint marker can easily disguise it even further.
Got my notice aswell trying to work out whats in the first and second waves
Listed the box game, royal guard , berserker and pred hounds
But some of the extras that i pledged for and are available in my flgs ar'ent listed of course this could be an error which isnt suprising just getting anything the shock
Grumpae wrote: Congrats Alex! Did you have to do anything special to make that happen?
No, I've reigned in any hostility I had before and have just been waiting patiently, being polite and trying to understand Prodos' situation. I came to the conclusion that being angry about it wasn't doing anybody any good and Prodos has enough on their plate without me being a dick. I have other stuff to work on while I wait anyway.
Had to clear up a couple of points with my pledge calculator, but that was due to being a late backer more than anything else I think.
Really looking forward to getting the horde of Aliens I ordered, and I'll have everything except the Facehuggers in this shipment
Grumpae wrote: Congrats Alex! Did you have to do anything special to make that happen?
No, I've reigned in any hostility I had before and have just been waiting patiently, being polite and trying to understand Prodos' situation. I came to the conclusion that being angry about it wasn't doing anybody any good and Prodos has enough on their plate without me being a dick. I have other stuff to work on while I wait anyway.
Had to clear up a couple of points with my pledge calculator, but that was due to being a late backer more than anything else I think.
Really looking forward to getting the horde of Aliens I ordered, and I'll have everything except the Facehuggers in this shipment
Alex C wrote: No idea. Email was from Prodos themselves, not a shipping company, and there was no information other than the contents of the shipment.
So after reading about you getting your shipping notice, I decided to send off a polite email. I got a response from two Prodos emails, one from service and the other from Jarek himself. Both confirmed my delivery is on its way, and detailed the contents of my pledge (did I really order that much stuff?!). The only thing that concerns me is there was no tracking number or eta. Just wondering if you had recieved a tracking number?
Alex C wrote: No idea. Email was from Prodos themselves, not a shipping company, and there was no information other than the contents of the shipment.
So after reading about you getting your shipping notice, I decided to send off a polite email. I got a response from two Prodos emails, one from service and the other from Jarek himself. Both confirmed my delivery is on its way, and detailed the contents of my pledge (did I really order that much stuff?!). The only thing that concerns me is there was no tracking number or eta. Just wondering if you had recieved a tracking number?
So Grumpae, did your pledge manager status change as well? Did you drop the 3D terrain?
Hopefully to ease your fears, I didn't get a tracking number or eta when they sent my pledge - it turned up within two-weeks via UPS though (Poland to UK)
Fingers crossed though that we're on the home stretch now for this wave of shipping for all of you still waiting. Fingers double crossed that the remaining stuff is approved and posted soon(tm)
Alex C wrote: No idea. Email was from Prodos themselves, not a shipping company, and there was no information other than the contents of the shipment.
So after reading about you getting your shipping notice, I decided to send off a polite email. I got a response from two Prodos emails, one from service and the other from Jarek himself. Both confirmed my delivery is on its way, and detailed the contents of my pledge (did I really order that much stuff?!). The only thing that concerns me is there was no tracking number or eta. Just wondering if you had recieved a tracking number?
So Grumpae, did your pledge manager status change as well? Did you drop the 3D terrain?
I originally had pledged for two sets of the 3D resin terrain, however when they changed the design I really didn't care for it anymore. As much of a pain as having to deal with the walls would have been, not having them just made it look silly, imo. I dropped them and beefed up all three factions as much as I could, which for the money was quite a lot. My pledge manager has been opened several times, and closed as many. You really had to watch out though as many of the free items would default back to the original settings, which were not what I wanted. As I don't use a nick name on ks, that part for me was no issue.
Thanks guys! Wow, mine says partially shipped as well. Now I'm wondering if maybe more of the backers that haven't recieved anything should send off an email. To be honest for the longest time I've just been stewing and getting more p.o.'d about where we are after so long, I should have emailed them long ago. It couldn't hurt guys!
Glad to hear that some people are (potentially) getting their orders.
Mine still says 'Awaiting' (details are all correct), although most of my extras are wave 3 so I'm happy (well, perhaps not happy but at least prepared) to wait until the end of February to get everything in one batch.
I just bought a box of marines and a box of aliens for a tenner each as I am a huge fan of the Aliens franchise. I have to say that they are definitely Prodos best work and they are really nice.
I say that from the point of view of owning a crappy warzone starter and about half a dozen other KS mini's from people who contracted with prodos without saying this before I gave them money.
Hence my experience with models that part melt in a warm room and others that were encased in enough flash to make them look like Han in carbonite.
But the way they have treated backers here is shocking.
The most surprising thing now to me is how many of us seem to believe the 'end of February' promise from Prodos. What's different this time compared to the five or so previously promised deadlines? Have I missed the sort of assurance that makes even the likes of fething Prodos credible again?
Hence my experience with models that part melt in a warm room
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I can assure you that this is still an issue. Marines and predators are fine in my experience but the majority of the (50+) Aliens I've built thus far have had features, mainly tails, that totally droop in even 20c heat, let alone on hot days.
Was shipped directly from Prodos in Poland to the US (guess the story about an unnamed company having the boxed games was less than accurate).
It contained some of the add-ons (Pred-Alien, Pred hounds, Yutani squad, Predator Berserker, alien egg markers, Alien Warriors, Royal Guard, and the Predator Ship tiles.
Those tiles are a bit disappointing, you get two sheets, 1 with 7 rooms/corridors and one with 7 smaller rooms/corridors and three doors (no stands for the doors). They are double sided, in that they have the same image on each side. A lot of repetition in the tiles (some are copied 3-4 times). I guess at least the ammo crates are not present. For the price, I wish I had not bothered with them.
I have not opened the main game yet. Since I am pretty sure all this goes up for sale I figured holding it still in shrink may help it sell.
Now I wonder if I'll get the rest of what I'm owed by the end of February so I can sell it all as a lot.
Glad that you got at least some of your stuff Cap'n! I think its a shame that they pissed you off to the point you don't even want to give it a go, but I get it. Best of luck!
Bolognesus wrote: The most surprising thing now to me is how many of us seem to believe the 'end of February' promise from Prodos. What's different this time compared to the five or so previously promised deadlines? Have I missed the sort of assurance that makes even the likes of fething Prodos credible again?
I don't think anyone really takes that timescale seriously.
Hence my experience with models that part melt in a warm room
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I can assure you that this is still an issue. Marines and predators are fine in my experience but the majority of the (50+) Aliens I've built thus far have had features, mainly tails, that totally droop in even 20c heat, let alone on hot days.
The tails seem to be divided into two types. Some are made of a very flexible material which is great for modelling but can easily be torn and never really solidifies. Others are made of a harder plastic, but even these will bend just from being held between thumb and forefinger for a couple of minutes.
I tried to scratch-build a facehugger in a leaping pose, balanced on its tail. I had to change the pose, the tail just wouldn't support even the smallest amount of weight.
CptJake wrote: You all need to quit with the malicious rumors of poor resin being used in these minis.
You're killing my resale value.
Whatcha gonna do? Lock us in a room with a couple of Facehuggers?
I'll nail you right to the wall! Right to the wall!
Automatically Appended Next Post: In other news, a Berserker Pred has emerged in-hand for some mysterious person trying to resell it. So at least some of the newer stuff must have been sent out...
Yep, as I mentioned above, my shipment included the game, Pred-Alien, Pred hounds, Yutani squad, Predator Berserker, alien egg markers, Alien Warriors, Royal Guard, and the Predator Ship tiles.
I was looking at my Yutani squad earlier. 5 cards, 1 for flame thrower, one for smart gunner, two for pulse rifle and one for motion tracker, but I got arms for flame thrower, smart gunner, and three pulse rifles. Anyone know if there was supposed to be a motion tracker arm set?
Jarek? Any answer to that? If it was supposed to have one, how do I go about getting it?
Got UPS notification today. Email said delivery by end of day, but it hasn't come yet. Tracking info just said label created, so I have no idea where it is, but at least it's coming!
By the way, the only thing in retail packaging was the main game. Everything else was in ziplock bags except the Predator tiles, loose on top of the boxed game (not even shrink wrapped).
CptJake wrote: Yep, as I mentioned above, my shipment included the game, Pred-Alien, Pred hounds, Yutani squad, Predator Berserker, alien egg markers, Alien Warriors, Royal Guard, and the Predator Ship tiles.
I was looking at my Yutani squad earlier. 5 cards, 1 for flame thrower, one for smart gunner, two for pulse rifle and one for motion tracker, but I got arms for flame thrower, smart gunner, and three pulse rifles. Anyone know if there was supposed to be a motion tracker arm set?
Jarek? Any answer to that? If it was supposed to have one, how do I go about getting it?
(as if I'll get an answer...)
looking at the pic of WY models in their online store and their launch video, the set contains one smart gunner, one flame thrower and three pulse rifles. I don't see a motion tracker. So you got the right models, and I guess the mix of cards is technically wrong. At least you can field a motion tracker if you wish because you have the card for it, but I guess for now you'll have to proxy - maybe that model will be included in a future expansion.
Thanks. They are the only ones I've looked at (and likely the only ones I will) and the discrepancy between cards/figures made me curious.
FYI, the sculpts look decent. The resin, at least on my Yutani guys, seems to have solidified correctly/been mixed correctly.
Future expansions? No thanks, Prodos has already seen the last cent they'll get from me.
In good news, I see a 'KS Exclusive Predator Berserker' going for quite a bit on Ebay. I was initially thinking of waiting to see if Prodos ever sends the rest of what they owe me and trying to unload it all as a big lot, knowing I would get a bit less but would also be sure ALL of it went and I could be done with it. Seeing that Berserker is making me rethink it though... It may be worth either smaller lots or even some single items...
Nostromodamus wrote: Got UPS notification today. Email said delivery by end of day, but it hasn't come yet. Tracking info just said label created, so I have no idea where it is, but at least it's coming!
Congrats Alex! I hope it shows up when its supposed to! I still don't have any type of tracking information, but I realize that it takes longer to get things in the great white north...
Nostromodamus wrote: Got UPS notification today. Email said delivery by end of day, but it hasn't come yet. Tracking info just said label created, so I have no idea where it is, but at least it's coming!
Congrats Alex! I hope it shows up when its supposed to! I still don't have any type of tracking information, but I realize that it takes longer to get things in the great white north...
Tracking now says it left Warsaw, so hopefully it arrives in the next few days.
Hmmmm... maybe that first email meant that they would be picking it up? Weird, but at least if its showing its been picked up now, thats a good sign, right?
Looking great. I forget, how are you doing the drool?
Thank you ^^
Sometimes, pictures are better than explanations... So may I invite you to put an eye on the following ^^ (it's very very VERY easy to do the drool ^^) :
My FLGS down here in middle-of-nowhere USA finally got in the boxed copy I requested back in Aug? Nov?? when I thought the backer copies had started to roll out.
Are copies for backers (in the US) now starting to get out? Any sightings of the later waves in the US?
The box was smaller than I thought it would be, but it is heavy. Minis are smaller than I expected as well, but overall look WAAY better than my 90's Aliens metal minis, and are very nice by any measure.
Received the boxed game (KS version), 2 Predator Berserkers, 2 Hellhounds, Power Loader, Queen, 2 Royal Guards, 20 Alien Warriors, 5 extra Stalkers, Predalien and Alien Egg Objectives.
Still waitng on the Wargame Rulebook, extra heads/weapons, 15 extra Marines, 4 Sentry Guns, Android Objectives, Facehuggers, Fempred, Youngbloods and Totem Objectives.
Everything looks to be in perfect condition at first glance.
I do, however, seem to be missing the rulebook, and strangely enough the contents list on the back of the box doesn't include a rulebook, neither is it pictured...
I do, however, seem to be missing the rulebook, and strangely enough the contents list on the back of the box doesn't include a rulebook, neither is it pictured...
Well they're sending a replacement, so it's all good
Just a mispack I guess.
While I wait for the rules, has anyone got any suggestions for alternative rulesets to use these minis with? Needn't be a board game, any kind of skirmish/war game will do. I thought maybe using Plague/Alien and Enforcer/Marine profiles for Deadzone rules. Any other suggestions?
Personnally I'll play with In her Majesty's name rulebook : in 1870, my imperial japanese army will explore an island where there is actually a predator training land : big jungle, lost alien temple etc etc etc... ^^
I'll try to create some profiles to play with aliens at infinity (with my japanese sectorial army of course ^^)
Received the boxed game (KS version), 2 Predator Berserkers, 2 Hellhounds, Power Loader, Queen, 2 Royal Guards, 20 Alien Warriors, 5 extra Stalkers, Predalien and Alien Egg Objectives.
Still waitng on the Wargame Rulebook, extra heads/weapons, 15 extra Marines, 4 Sentry Guns, Android Objectives, Facehuggers, Fempred, Youngbloods and Totem Objectives.
Everything looks to be in perfect condition at first glance.
I do, however, seem to be missing the rulebook, and strangely enough the contents list on the back of the box doesn't include a rulebook, neither is it pictured...
Congrats Alex! Hopefully mine isn't too far behind. Still no tracking info though, so I'm guessing I'll be waiting...
Nostromodamus wrote: While I wait for the rules, has anyone got any suggestions for alternative rulesets to use these minis with? Needn't be a board game, any kind of skirmish/war game will do. I thought maybe using Plague/Alien and Enforcer/Marine profiles for Deadzone rules. Any other suggestions?
EM-4's 'Combat Zone' has rules on the Combat Zone Chronicles web stuff for this.
An older rule set called Future Wars (I think) had rules for AvP type stuff too. Chris Peers was the author (I think) and the rules may still be available.
Nostromodamus wrote: While I wait for the rules, has anyone got any suggestions for alternative rulesets to use these minis with? Needn't be a board game, any kind of skirmish/war game will do. I thought maybe using Plague/Alien and Enforcer/Marine profiles for Deadzone rules. Any other suggestions?
Space Hulk? It's almost the exact same premise after all ^_^
Nostromodamus wrote: While I wait for the rules, has anyone got any suggestions for alternative rulesets to use these minis with? Needn't be a board game, any kind of skirmish/war game will do. I thought maybe using Plague/Alien and Enforcer/Marine profiles for Deadzone rules. Any other suggestions?
Stargrunt 2 seems to have an okay reputation as well, but Tomorrow's War not so much (although I did also finally order this rulebook too).
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Let me know either by PM or in the thread you linked what you think about SST especially if you get a chance to try a game out (something I've yet to do unfortunately).
So after hearing Alex recieved his pledge, I began to get excited for mine (in spite of myself...) and so have been looking for it or any sign of it. I had a nagging feeling that without a tracking number I was no further ahead than I was last year, or the year before. So to easy my mind I sent Jarek an email asking for a tracking number. I recieved the tracking number today, and surprise surprise, they had just sent the shipping documents today. So in spite of the fact that they said it was shipped, obviously it hadn't been. I know I should have known better, I don't know how I keep getting my hopes up. I think its almost like an abusive relationship, where you justify their actions, or console yourself by saying that they have to see whats going on and change. Oh well, either way, I have the tracking number now, so at least I have some form of documented proof that something is happening. I'll be sure to update when I recieve it (whenever that happens...).
I am pretty sure it means 'awaiting Prodos action', as in your part is done, it will eventually change to 'shipped' or 'partially shipped' when Prodos moves forward.
Maybe its old news, maybe it's been announced elsewhere,
"Prodos Games Ltd was set up on 24 Jan 2013 and has its registered office in Warwick. Its current status is listed as "Proposal to Strike Off" and it currently has 2 directors." "Prodos Games Ltd has no subsidiaries."
I didn't know what a "Proposal to Strike Off" meant. So I looked it up,
https://www.gov.uk/strike-off-your-company-from-companies-register/overview
Hopefully an announcement is that the UK "office" is closing and the poor sods in the UK without anything should still expect fulfilment by Febuary.
CURNOW wrote: Its all been gone through about 4-6weeks back apparently its just because they filed some paperwork late . And nothing to worry about .
Just to be clear - "some paperwork" is their annual accounts, "late" is currently just under 3 months late and counting. According to Companies House, these still haven't been filed and the proposal to strike off is still active. The deadline for Prodos to respond to the strike off is Feb 29th (although I believe that in the real world no action takes place until 3 months after the notice, so March 29th). I wouldn't take Jarek's hand waving as this being "nothing to worry about" - it's certainly something that can be dealt with and sorted out fairly easily, but about a month has passed since Jarek said it would be dealt with and there's no evidence that this has happened. It may of course be happening behind the scenes and will show up on Companies House in plenty of time, but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on until the remainder of my goods are delivered. Prodos certainly seem to be delivering more in recent weeks than they have for sometime which is a good thing, but not keeping an eye on the legal business essentials could still screw them up.
Stormonu wrote: Weren't the facehuggers supposed to come with the base game (about 6, if I remember right)?
No, they didn't come with a base game. They were a free add-on on per pledge basis with the higher pledge levels getting increasingly more huggers ranging from 5 for We're in the Pipe through to 9 for Get to the Chopper.
CURNOW wrote: Its all been gone through about 4-6weeks back apparently its just because they filed some paperwork late . And nothing to worry about .
Just to be clear - "some paperwork" is their annual accounts, "late" is currently just under 3 months late and counting. According to Companies House, these still haven't been filed and the proposal to strike off is still active. The deadline for Prodos to respond to the strike off is Feb 29th (although I believe that in the real world no action takes place until 3 months after the notice, so March 29th). I wouldn't take Jarek's hand waving as this being "nothing to worry about" - it's certainly something that can be dealt with and sorted out fairly easily, but about a month has passed since Jarek said it would be dealt with and there's no evidence that this has happened. It may of course be happening behind the scenes and will show up on Companies House in plenty of time, but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on until the remainder of my goods are delivered. Prodos certainly seem to be delivering more in recent weeks than they have for sometime which is a good thing, but not keeping an eye on the legal business essentials could still screw them up.
Yeah i decided tey and keep.it positive and basic without it falling into a huge lets moan about stuff group of posts again . As they have said that they have sorted the paperwork issue. Or are we not aloud to be positive in the thread ?
CURNOW wrote: Its all been gone through about 4-6weeks back apparently its just because they filed some paperwork late . And nothing to worry about .
Just to be clear - "some paperwork" is their annual accounts, "late" is currently just under 3 months late and counting. According to Companies House, these still haven't been filed and the proposal to strike off is still active. The deadline for Prodos to respond to the strike off is Feb 29th (although I believe that in the real world no action takes place until 3 months after the notice, so March 29th). I wouldn't take Jarek's hand waving as this being "nothing to worry about" - it's certainly something that can be dealt with and sorted out fairly easily, but about a month has passed since Jarek said it would be dealt with and there's no evidence that this has happened. It may of course be happening behind the scenes and will show up on Companies House in plenty of time, but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on until the remainder of my goods are delivered. Prodos certainly seem to be delivering more in recent weeks than they have for sometime which is a good thing, but not keeping an eye on the legal business essentials could still screw them up.
Yeah i decided tey and keep.it positive and basic without it falling into a huge lets moan about stuff group of posts again . As they have said that they have sorted the paperwork issue. Or are we not aloud to be positive in the thread ?
I'll join you in being positive when they show (don't tell) things that are positive (hence I pointed out that shipments seem to be moving in greater numbers than for most of 2015) - Prodos said they "would" sort the paperwork issue - as of this moment, they haven't (or at least the public record doesn't show that they have - it may be in the pipeline, but going on Prodos' past history, I will believe it when I see it). Until their accounts through to 31/1/15 are filed, they remain at risk of being struck off.
Grumpae wrote: I am getting my wave 1 & 2 stuff tomorrow! I can't believe it's finally happening! Sorry in advance its that's too positive for the cesspool...
Awesome! Enjoy it mate!
I bought some mesh from work today to use for grate basing, so I'll be making minis tomorrow
Yeah,
My wave 1 and 2 arrive today.
Sold one box set straight away.
Deciding what to do with the other game and bits.
So many other projects right now more deserving of my time.
The models are great, but can't see myself wanting to play a Prodos game and support Prodos.
Their apology letter in the box was a nice touch and is nicely wrote.
However after all their lies and messing about it feels too little too late.
Grumpae wrote: I am getting my wave 1 & 2 stuff tomorrow! I can't believe it's finally happening! Sorry in advance its that's too positive for the cesspool...
Be prepared my friend to pay duty. They shipped UPS and I had to pay $51 bucks. Will hopefully get mine Thursday.
Yeah, the duty is $62.17 but seriously at this point I don't even care. I was actually excited to write the check! Lol! Does that make me lame or just stupid?
CURNOW wrote: Its all been gone through about 4-6weeks back apparently its just because they filed some paperwork late . And nothing to worry about .
Just to be clear - "some paperwork" is their annual accounts, "late" is currently just under 3 months late and counting. According to Companies House, these still haven't been filed and the proposal to strike off is still active. The deadline for Prodos to respond to the strike off is Feb 29th (although I believe that in the real world no action takes place until 3 months after the notice, so March 29th). I wouldn't take Jarek's hand waving as this being "nothing to worry about" - it's certainly something that can be dealt with and sorted out fairly easily, but about a month has passed since Jarek said it would be dealt with and there's no evidence that this has happened. It may of course be happening behind the scenes and will show up on Companies House in plenty of time, but it's something I'll be keeping an eye on until the remainder of my goods are delivered. Prodos certainly seem to be delivering more in recent weeks than they have for sometime which is a good thing, but not keeping an eye on the legal business essentials could still screw them up.
Yeah i decided tey and keep.it positive and basic without it falling into a huge lets moan about stuff group of posts again . As they have said that they have sorted the paperwork issue. Or are we not aloud to be positive in the thread ?
I'll join you in being positive when they show (don't tell) things that are positive (hence I pointed out that shipments seem to be moving in greater numbers than for most of 2015) - Prodos said they "would" sort the paperwork issue - as of this moment, they haven't (or at least the public record doesn't show that they have - it may be in the pipeline, but going on Prodos' past history, I will believe it when I see it). Until their accounts through to 31/1/15 are filed, they remain at risk of being struck off.
Out of curiosity, what would being "struck off" do to Prodos? Are they not based in Poland at the moment?
Essentially, the company gets closed down, and anything it owns (including intellectual property) belongs to the crown (UK Government). I know a bit about it but am not a practitioner in this area, so I bow to those with greater knowledge if anyone wants to correct me.
I don't know their internal corporate structure e.g. whether the machinery in Poland is owned by the UK corporate entity or whether it's owned by one of their Polish companies (I suspect the latter). I suspect that the Fox contract is with Prodos Games Limited (the UK entity).
Based on the above assumptions, the contract/ licence would become invalid, but the machinery/ stock ownership would remain with (let's call them) Prodos Poland. Whether Fox would just move the licence/ contract over to Prodos Poland or not I have no way of knowing, but I suspect not, being a big multi-national, not renowned for making these simple - I doubt that the government bureaucracy would bother to try and exercise IP rights in the game, but in theory they could.
It would make things very difficult to operate a UK company/ staff in the future, and questionable whether they could do things like attend Salute to trade if there were any outstanding legal issues or unpaid taxes (I am spit-balling here - I have no idea whether there are any such issues or taxes outstanding - no accusations, just "what if's").
TLR - "struck off" = UK company gets closed down, possible loss of AvP licence, possible government grief for anything on UK soil in future, physical casting operations in Poland probably unaffected.
just for the record (and for what it's worth) Jarek stated on facebook yesterday that the paperwork has now been filed with the authorities and is being processed, so the threat of dissolution should be lifted shortly.
biggusdoggus wrote: just for the record (and for what it's worth) Jarek stated on facebook yesterday that the paperwork has now been filed with the authorities and is being processed, so the threat of dissolution should be lifted shortly.
Thanks for that - I'd not seen it - will keep watching companies house (as the accounts will be an interesting read)
biggusdoggus wrote: just for the record (and for what it's worth) Jarek stated on facebook yesterday that the paperwork has now been filed with the authorities and is being processed, so the threat of dissolution should be lifted shortly.
Oh Jarek said it on Facebook, it must be true!
For us backers still waiting on product, I HOPE it is true. When it comes to Jarek and Prodos, I'm more of s Show Me Don't Tell Me guy at this point.
biggusdoggus wrote: just for the record (and for what it's worth) Jarek stated on facebook yesterday that the paperwork has now been filed with the authorities and is being processed, so the threat of dissolution should be lifted shortly.
Thanks for that - I'd not seen it - will keep watching companies house (as the accounts will be an interesting read)
Still not on Companies House. I have to say that this does not match my experience as an accountant who files accounts every week: when I file online they appear on the site within an hour of submission. As far as I'm aware Companies House stopped accepting postal submissions a few years ago when they moved over to a code-based system (iXBRL) which allows accounts to be automatically checked for obvious errors.
biggusdoggus wrote: just for the record (and for what it's worth) Jarek stated on facebook yesterday that the paperwork has now been filed with the authorities and is being processed, so the threat of dissolution should be lifted shortly.
Thanks for that - I'd not seen it - will keep watching companies house (as the accounts will be an interesting read)
Still not on Companies House. I have to say that this does not match my experience as an accountant who files accounts every week: when I file online they appear on the site within an hour of submission. As far as I'm aware Companies House stopped accepting postal submissions a few years ago when they moved over to a code-based system (iXBRL) which allows accounts to be automatically checked for obvious errors.
*sniff sniff* Smells like bs from Prodos yet again lol.
I know, I didn't mean to shoot the messenger, and I honestly appreciate you posting stuff from face book because I (and others) would miss the info if you did not do so.
Question: Didn't Jarek/Prodos promise they were going to bring back the KS page after the New Year?
Question: Didn't Jarek/Prodos promise they were going to bring back the KS page after the New Year?
Yes it is ! I would think the same... With lot of "hurray" "good news"... bla bla bla... And I understood it was for the end of 2015...
But however : is it really still important ? I mean : after 2 years, Jarek don't answer any questionand/or flame the heat subjects except the fact to tell us "we nearly finish shipping bakers : we shipped 857 536 415 boxes and we'll increase next week trust us !!"...
For an example, my forgotten minis are "on the desk and will be shipped very soon"... since 1 month or so... But I didn't received anything
Maybe it's because prodos is preparing itself for the chinese new year...
No, it is not important at this point, except that it is an indicator that Jarek/Prodos are still being less than honest, regardless of how much they whine when called out on it.
CptJake wrote: No, it is not important at this point, except that it is an indicator that Jarek/Prodos are still being less than honest, regardless of how much they whine when called out on it.
You need to stop pointing out inconsistencies between what he has and does viciously attacking his family and kicking his puppy.
What a nice thing to come home to! A nice big box wrapped in black plastic (which I first thought was garbage bags...). Inside the large box were four smaller boxes. The first one was full of all the approved add ons. Including the extra faction dice, which were a nice surprise to see. Not that they were fancy or anything, just hadn't seen anyone mention getting them. The minis are smaller than I had expected, but are every bit as awesome as everyone says. Haven't gotten far into the boxed game yet, but when I came across the rules I wanted to pop in and confirm that at least one of mine has the 1.2 rules. Cheers everyone!
Sheep wrote: Any word on what's happening with non European and North American backers?
I haven't heard/seen anything and just wondering if I've missed anything? Because I'm getting very jealous of you all getting your pledges.
Joyboozer wrote: I'm guessing we are last to avoid shipping costs, just one wave.
Not to worry, plenty of UK backers yet to receive anything (I'm one of them). On the various sites featuring topics complaining about Prodos/AvP, I've seen US and Aussie backers receiving their pledges direct from Prodos so I don't *think* non European pledges are being left until last.
Nostromodamus wrote: I'm still waiting on Wargame Rules, Youngbloods, Predator and Marine objectives, bits sprues, Fempred, Sentry Guns and not-boxed-set Marines.
I'm in the same boat as far as the things I did not yet get. That said though I've got enough here to keep me busy for a good long while! There does seem to be a lot of colour difference between batches of resin I have some that are pretty much grey and others that are very blue. IIRC people mentioned that the blue ones are softer? Thankfully it's not the queens, praetorians, or the crushers. I can't wait to get started on some of those bad boys!
You're not alone. UK backer, heard absolutely nothing. Also I was quite an early pledger, so it doesn't even appear that order's are going out in Pledge order.
Possibly Random, Possibly who shouts the loudest. My friend is a trader and had a call from PRODOS asking if he was interested in stocking the AVP game. "Before I do that, can you please tell me when you will be delivering my KS I ordered 2 years ago?". It was at that point PRODOS put the phone down on him.
Just received my parcel (in germany). This will keep me busy until wave 3 arrives. And since I did not complain that much, shipping order doesn't seem to correlate to the amount of noise you make... ;-)
But I am not sure if PRODOS did sort things out correctly. I received an email before about my partial shipment (didn't mention it, since I wanted to wait until I really receive something, before I wanted to believe). The email stated stuff marked with shipment 1, shipment 2 and shipment 3 , but shipment 3 did not contain anything at all.
The parcel I received today contains everything marked with shipment 1, and parts of shipment 2, but some items marked as shipment 2 in the email were not included in the parcel. At least for me it's kinda hard to keep track of everything that way.
@PRODOS: was that a mistake and I have to ask for a replacement of missing items, or will the rest of shipment 2 (e.g. the facehuggers) be included in shipment 3?
Currently I am still waiting for:
Half synthetic (Obj. Marker) x4( 1 )
Facehuggers x16
P Female Predator x1
M Colonial Marines x5 (Add-on)
Major Dutch Schaefer x1
Lieutenant Linn Kurosawa x1
Extra bits (3heads, 4 guns)
Hardback Rulebook x1
P Young Blood x3
P Cloaked Pred x1 (Ranged)
P Spear (Obj. Marker) x4
M Sergeant x1
M Sentry guns x2
Since some of this stuff was not mentioned in the official PRODOS update that stated "these are the last items to fulfill the KS", can PRODOS please confirm that everything from the list above will be included in shipment 3 before the end of february?
I am asking here, because I, like many others, encountered problems contacting PRODOS directly, but I know that Jarek sometimes reads this thread...
However, nice to see things finally getting along. Cheers ;-)
TheSecretSquig wrote: You're not alone. UK backer, heard absolutely nothing. Also I was quite an early pledger, so it doesn't even appear that order's are going out in Pledge order.
Possibly Random, Possibly who shouts the loudest. My friend is a trader and had a call from PRODOS asking if he was interested in stocking the AVP game. "Before I do that, can you please tell me when you will be delivering my KS I ordered 2 years ago?". It was at that point PRODOS put the phone down on him.
Make some noise mate, I'd sent about 50 emails before I got mine. They just don't seem to bother otherwise. Also, check your PM and make sure it's locked in. For some reason they kept unlocking the people's pledges, so people were screaming at them to send it, thinking their pledges were locked in when they weren't.
I never sent them an email. Obviously I did let Jarek/Prodos know how I felt on this and another forum, but never went further. And I still got some of my stuff a couple of weeks ago.
Hi there. This is just a short update to let you know that we are still on course to finish wave 2 by the end of February. What is left to ship is shown in the attached pictures from board game manufacturer. The stack on left are the remaining AvP KS version board games that are getting assembled and shipped to us within next few weeks.
We are excited and happy to announce that all 2nd Wave parcels, shipped after the 8th Feb will include following items (pictures to shown prior to shipping): - Facehuggers - Young Bloods - Female Predator - Sentry Guns - Marines and Predator objective markers.
Outstanding items: An Additional Rules set, clear predator faction models and resin terrain, will be included in the final wave 3 shipping, which we hope to commence in late March (date to be confirmed).
Australian Backers: Small parcels are being shipped directly from Poland, larger orders are being prepared and shipped to our Australian partner, and this has resulted in significant postage savings such that I no longer need to sell my kidneys to ensure that everyone gets the products we have committed to sending you.
Again, I want to thank you for your patience but can I ask people again to please check your name and surname and your address in the pledge manager. We still have 278 backers where the data is not complete and this is delaying shipping for these backers as we will only be contacting them once all other shipments have been sent.
And I’ve kept the best piece of news until last. You asked for it and we are now working on 2 resin models, that will be available via our webstore or at various shows we plan to attend in 2016.
I can’t tell you what they are yet but I hope to be able to update you next week. Our design team is hard working on this exciting project at the moment and I hope to be able to bring you sneak peaks of the production and design of these once all the kickstarter products have been issued.
These sneak peaks will be on our webpage once we have approval.
So make sure to check out the Prodos homepage closer to May 2016.
I don't see the Non-box game Marines or the special characters mentioned.
And I note (but am not surprised) that they will not complete all KS fulfillment by February even though that was what a previous update stated they would do.
Yeah, I get it, plans change, but even at the time it was a stupid fething thing fro them to say. Which of course makes all promises/statements Jarek/Prodos make worth the paper they are printed on. Oh wait, I don't even get a paper version...
Do you have pictures of the young bloods etc that you are able to share?
Jarek Ewertowski
Hi there, once we have them painted, yes.
Awaiting approval list Looks like it has stuff missing...? Linn? Dutch? Sergeant?
Jarek Ewertowski
oh sorry, missed them from the list, thanks, it will be par of wave 3.
How long do you expect wave 3 to take?
Jarek Ewertowski
wave 3 start once we have wave 2 done.
you say there are 278 pledges that are problematic due to names and addresses. On mine I have a different delivery address than the billing address. Is that going to be a problem?
Jarek Ewertowski
No , we have several peoples with just their 1st names only or nicknames in the pledge manager or missing postcodes etc.
I see that for those in the US that haven't received Wave 1 shipments, they will get them when their Wave 2 shipments go out. But what about Pre-Orders? I missed the Kickstarter but did the post-Kickstarter Pre-Order. Are those included in the Wave 1/Wave 2 combined shipments?
Jarek Ewertowski
Hi there yes itd wave 2 combined.
Depends what you mean by Wave 2. The queen, warriors, pred-hounds, power-loader etc have theoretically been at retail for some time. These are all Wave 2 items. More recently, the figures from the core box and a few others have become available for retail. The real question, I suppose, is whether or not you want to buy them from Prodos directly or not.
I assume some models are KS exclusives (like the alt Sergeant head?) but didn't think this would apply to everything.
The only model that is officially a KS exclusive is the predator berserker. Everything else should go to retail eventually. Whether it happens that way is another matter, but that's how we've been told it will turn out.
My mate got a shipping notification, he ordered around same time as me, he runs a store and got the retail stock in offer ages ago too, he wasnt happy.
I keep checking my pledge manager and it 'awaiting' i am 100% i have checked my name is my actual one and address is correct.
I am now just sitting waiting, but i am now worried it will ship just as i go on my honeymoon and cause no end of issues with no one home so gets 'returned' after 8 days :(
I read it on the prodos FB page (the company one, not the AvP one) - here's the convo (names have been redacted - although it's public posting I would rather not throw names about)
Person 1 Given that Prodos is going bust, I'm not sure they'll be getting the KS stuff out there. unsure emoticon
Like · Reply · 8 hours ago
Person 2 They ain't going bust I have an email saying they are not
Like · Reply · 7 hours ago
Person 1 Oh right. They sent an email out to their suppliers saying that they are. Either way. unsure emoticon
I PM'd person 1 and from what I can work out, the rumour all seems to have sprung from the Strike Off notice that Companies House issued (in fact the conversation on the FB page has gone in this direction now).
In short - it's not new information, "going bankrupt" looks like being a mis-reading of "being struck off". The posters talk about Prodos' Wholesalers/ Distributors as being Prodos' supplier while they would really be Prodos' customers, so I think there's a lot of mis-speaking and vagueness floating around this conversation.
If an email had been sent out by Prodos saying they were going bankrupt, I'm pretty sure it would be doing the rounds by now, not just spoken of in rumours.
It is now nearly a week since Prodos supposedly claimed to have filed their Companies House paperwork and nothing is showing on their records. Prodos need to be aware that the above sort of error and misreading can only happen when they don't clear up the initial mess they have made.
Trying to defend Prodos against incorrect statements - I feel all sort of dirty now.
It is now nearly a week since Prodos supposedly claimed to have filed their Companies House paperwork and nothing is showing on their records. Prodos need to be aware that the above sort of error and misreading can only happen when they don't clear up the initial mess they have made.
Yeah, bad news for Prodos is that the accounts just ticked over to being over 3 months late : late-filing penalty is now doubled to £750.
I should think that you could post quite a few kickstarter pledges for £750, eh?
So how long is the wait between receiving the "We are shipping the following items to you" email and you actually receiving the stuff. Both my friend and I got the email yesterday. We are now holding a pool at our local games club. Points awarded for closest guess in shipping time and who get's it first!
Automatically Appended Next Post: So how long is the wait between receiving the "We are shipping the following items to you" email and you actually receiving the stuff. Both my friend and I got the email yesterday. We are now holding a pool at our local games club. Points awarded for closest guess in shipping time and who get's it first!
TheSecretSquig wrote: So how long is the wait between receiving the "We are shipping the following items to you" email and you actually receiving the stuff. Both my friend and I got the email yesterday. We are now holding a pool at our local games club. Points awarded for closest guess in shipping time and who get's it first!
I got my email on November 2nd and my wave 2 items arrived on December 7th. A check of the tracking info showed it spent less than a week in the hands of couriers.
Got an email from Prodos this evening saying how the December 2015 releases were shaping up. Only 2 months late:
Last month of 2015 at Prodos Games is going to be full of surprises and new releases. We are starting with Demigods Evolution miniatures and releasing new models for not only Alien vs Predator, but Warzone as well!
DEMIGODS EVOLUTION
"Demigods Evolution" was recently funded on Kickstarter. While core game is in last stage of production and very close to release, you can buy separate minis already. First wave of models is coming late this month, you can preorder them now. There are 20 models to choose from, from 5 races.
NEW ALIEN VERSUS PREDATOR ADD-ONS
Following recent wave of add-ons - Prodos Games is proud to present new additions to your AVP set. All models from core game can be bought separately now. Also we are adding Weyland Yutani Commandos and Royal Guard.
NEW WARZONE UNITS
We do not forgot about our Warzone product line, this month we are releasing new add-on, unit and finally - one of biggest models in history of Warzone - Raiden Class Tatsu Gigamek.
AVP add-ons will start shipping after 5th of December, while Demigods Evolution and new Warzone minis are scheduled for 27th of December.
I suppose technically it could be, but then I think that would be something I could find evidence of elsewhere (which I haven't). Most likely is that they have filed accounts, so I'll be watching webcheck everyday ths week for any progress.
Some potentially useful toys coming out in April. Diecast APC, Hadley’s Hope Daihotai Tractor and Space Jockey look like they might be close to 28mm scale.
So was speaking to a ex work colleague recently a wargames show and he is now high up for one of the major wargames suppliers in the uk .and i pointed out the avp stuff that they had on sale only for him to say that prodos are the worst suppliers to deal with and get into contact with and that they wont he dealing with them or stocking them much longer .they also got prodos to 3d print some masters for them and the proces they were charged were stupidly high .so high that they have gone out and spent 6k on there own printers rather than het prodos to do it again .
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I suppose technically it could be, but then I think that would be something I could find evidence of elsewhere (which I haven't). Most likely is that they have filed accounts, so I'll be watching webcheck everyday ths week for any progress.
More likely is that they've contacted Companies House confirming that the company is still extant.
If accounts had been filed then they'd be viewable within an hour in my experience.
Not quite sure what everyone's fascination with this is - the Polish company is the one doing the trading, and in all likelihood the licensing agreement with Fox could be transferred there without must fuss.
Not quite sure what everyone's fascination with this is - the Polish company is the one doing the trading, and in all likelihood the licensing agreement with Fox could be transferred there without must fuss.
Prodos Games is the one that's easy for UK residents to take legal steps against if it comes to that, and then enforce when they attend shows like Salute or Derby. It's also the corporate body that backers have contracts with. Small Claims action versus Archon in Poland if you speak no Polish and know nothing of the Polish legal system .... no thanks.
I'm not sure the licence could be as easily transferred as you suggest - I'd be amazed if Fox allowed it to be "sub-let" without permission, or what's to stop Prodos "sub-letting" it to a third party company like Games Workshop. Archon could always buy Prodos, but in that case Prodos still exists. I could be wrong, but that's my gut feeling (I have minimal but not zero real world licensing experience).
Not quite sure what everyone's fascination with this is - the Polish company is the one doing the trading, and in all likelihood the licensing agreement with Fox could be transferred there without must fuss.
Prodos Games is the one that's easy for UK residents to take legal steps against if it comes to that, and then enforce when they attend shows like Salute or Derby. It's also the corporate body that backers have contracts with. Small Claims action versus Archon in Poland if you speak no Polish and know nothing of the Polish legal system .... no thanks.
I'm not sure the licence could be as easily transferred as you suggest - I'd be amazed if Fox allowed it to be "sub-let" without permission, or what's to stop Prodos "sub-letting" it to a third party company like Games Workshop. Archon could always buy Prodos, but in that case Prodos still exists. I could be wrong, but that's my gut feeling (I have minimal but not zero real world licensing experience).
Except it clearly isn't going to come to that given that backers continue to receive their pledges, albeit at a woefully slow pace. But rather than be reassured by that, people would rather insist of concocting the most unlikely of scenarios based on the insignificant late filing of accounts and strike-off action, which then gives Jarek license to come on here acting all exasperated, diverting attention from the real matter of as-yet unfulfilled pledges.
The licensing agreement wouldn't be 'sub-let' - there would be a re-assignment from the UK Prodos to the Polish Prodos. Depending on the agreement this typically requires the licensor to either be informed or to grant permission. Even if the latter, there's no reason Fox wouldn't grant the reassignment - in fact I should think they'd prefer the agreement to be with Prodos' manufacturing base rather than the UK-based company which has no fixed assets on its balance sheet and looks like it could be wrapped up very easily.
I should say the same for Games Workshop in fact - typically the licensor will be paid an up-front 'Minimum Guarantee' which is a non-refundable advance against sales. The licensor gets a royalty percentage on sales which goes against the MG until this is recouped, and is then periodically paid the royalty percentage in excess of MG. Having the deal with Games Workshop would net them a whole lot more in royalties.
Except it clearly isn't going to come to that given that backers continue to receive their pledges, albeit at a woefully slow pace. But rather than be reassured by that, people would rather insist of concocting the most unlikely of scenarios based on the insignificant late filing of accounts and strike-off action, which then gives Jarek license to come on here acting all exasperated, diverting attention from the real matter of as-yet unfulfilled pledges.
We disagree. I think it might well not come to it, but I don't agree that it's "clearly" not going to come to it. That's why I take an active interest - I don't want to be left high and dry like Palladium backers seem to be - legal recourse is my safety net - while a UK company exists, I have some easy and cheap method of enforcement, if it goes, I am left dependent on Prodos' goodwill to deliver. You asked why people were interested - that is why I am - other's interest may vary.
CURNOW wrote: they also got prodos to 3d print some masters for them and the process they were charged were stupidly high
How much is stupidly high? I have used Prodos to 3d masters and it is roughly about $100, for a 28-32mm miniature. That will obviously vary based on size but that is about average price that I have paid at other places. 3d sculpting + 3d printing masters was about $550-600. However I have since then had to find another sculptor and printer mainly because they are backlogged with other projects and contract work. There was a 6 month waiting period when I last re-inquired but also my projects aren't huge so that may factor into it.
CURNOW wrote: they also got prodos to 3d print some masters for them and the process they were charged were stupidly high
How much is stupidly high? I have used Prodos to 3d masters and it is roughly about $100, for a 28-32mm miniature. That will obviously vary based on size but that is about average price that I have paid at other places. 3d sculpting + 3d printing masters was about $550-600. However I have since then had to find another sculptor and printer mainly because they are backlogged with other projects and contract work. There was a 6 month waiting period when I last re-inquired but also my projects aren't huge so that may factor into it.
Well, obviously high enough that 6K was considered a cheaper alternative.
Yeah basically for the amount of single figures prototypes the wanted printed ( not designed) it worked out cheaper to get there own set up as well as less hassle and far far faster
Any more news on when the final wave stuff should ship?
Looking forward to getting my final bits and bobs. Also keen to hear about the heads and weapons set, along with the not-box-set marines, as we've heard nothing about them for a long time.
I'm hoping to see anything at this stage still no sign of mine. 2 weeks of February left and I can't see the wave 1 or 2 whatever it is now being done before the end of the month.
May I invite you to drop an eye on the following "good news from Prodos" ?
Prodos Games Ltd says:
Good news folks, we have been shipping AVP to backers all week and we’re down to 505 parcels (link to a snapshot from our pledge manager:http://tinypic.com/r/2jd2jb4/9) (+backlog of about 40 being processed by our packing team). There has been an issue with door stands supplying for AvP board game (supplier ran out of it and could not supply any more from China, thus we needed to find a manufacturer in Europe and pay for tooling, 4 weeks delay), as a result some of you may receive a board game with different than black door stands, we took whatever supplier had in stock.
I’m sorry to those who are still awaiting their wave 2 stuff but unfortunately, as we mentioned before, we thought the fairest way to send KS stuff out was randomly. I’ll ask you to be patient for just a little while longer if you haven’t received your stuff as we’re still packing boxes.
In other news, we have had the sculptors working hard behind the scenes on one of the new models to be released soon, and I can now announce that we’re working on one of the most iconic pieces from the Aliens movie...the Drop-ship + APC. It will be an add-on for the board game with few tiles, new missions and rules clarification available only at shows or via our webstore.
Some of you have started to receive the facehugger models over the last few weeks and we hope that you understand some of the changes we had to make.
We are also working on the 3rd and the last wave of approvals on remaining items, once we know more we will share it with you.
We are currently looking a rewrite of some of the rules and I know that some of the crusaders are over on the Prodos AVP forum looking at these. Please make double time over there so that you can tell us what does or doesn’t work with the boardgame as we frequent those pages often to see how we can redesign the game to make it better for you.
Cant believe that with 12 day left to reach their self imposed deadline of end of feb to ship out that after 12mths they still have 20% of all the pledges to post ! And thats if we can belive them and 3rd wave still isn't ok'd ?? Ffs
I expect this update is supposed to reassure me that I'll ever receive anything from Prodos.
In reality it only serves as another appalling glimpse into this utterly amateurish organisation's incompetence.
I'll be genuinely surprised if my game doesn't turn up in a pizza box with 'AVP' crudely scrawled on it in crayon and plastic army mens for the marines.
The news on the dropship is confusing. Talks about sculptors, but then mentions "a few tiles" for the board-game. Hmmm....
I'd rather get the rest of my pledge though and for the other backers to get theirs... Then I can go laugh at their Space Boobs Crusaders. What a cesspit of vitriol this is (and apparently the rest of the industry hate us dakka users as well )
Odd that pledge manager link in the update gets blocked by the adult material filter on my phones network. Can someone that has access please confirm that they haven't breached data protection yet again by posting backer details.
Hopefully we don't get bright pink door stands as that's all the manufacturer had in stock!
Oh well push this out until the end of March (year not specified) I reckon
Hi jarek what's happening with stat cards for the berserker? I didn't get any when I got some of my berserker models
Jarek Ewertowski:
to be hones we should not have any Berserker cards as the model wont be released to retail at all, I'll check that tomorrow morning what happened
Well some backers say they have them and even posted pictures
Jarek Ewertowski:
ok, if we made that mistake (and printed the card) then everybody will have to receive it.... let me check it tomorrow morning.
[followed by pictures of said Berserker card from another backer!]
Spoiler:
With those numbers still to ship end of Feb to complete Wave 2 looks impossible now.
And the Berserker card. Jarek, will those of us who didn't get it get one in our Wave 3 shipment?
Jarek Ewertowski:
yes everybody will get the card in W3 in this case, as for completing wave 2, well no door stands supply hit us hard, KS and retail as well.
Jarek Ewertowski:
we have not expected to get this "off shelves" product to became obsolete, it looks like we have been the only one using this for a board game...
Jarek Ewertowski:
this is what we managed to get, enough for 150 board games.ta
Spoiler:
Jarek Ewertowski:
and even in purple colour ... Jesus.
Backer 1:
the purple looks like the best option from those choices.
Jarek Ewertowski:
well, not really an option now,
Jarek Ewertowski:
stupid tiny thing and stopped us for almost a month frown emoticon good we had some in stock and managed to produce another batch of KS.
Backer 1:
yeah - I didn't mean in terms of having a choice.
Backer 2:
I notice there is no estimate on completing Wave 2 and starting Wave 3. I assume March given the 4 week delay, so April to start Wave 3 at the earliest. This project never catches a break frown emoticon
Jarek Ewertowski:
it was 4 weeks for tooling and so on, however we have still 137 board games in stock that being sent out this/next week, restock is coming in 3 max weeks (as soon as we get stands or find temporary replacement for them (not really an option as it will need an approval))
Backer 1:
indeed - the lack of supply is unfortunate, but should really have been predicted - they must've known how many stands they made in the first place, how many they needed for the boxed games ordered via KS, and how many they've been shipping to retail. ...See More
Backer 2:
So in fact an open ended delay frown emoticon
Jarek Ewertowski:
no really need to go that way, we have been told overnight that its over, Chinesse supplier moved to different commodity and have no more stands - predicting this is impossible unless you are a seer or read it form tea dregs, expecially when you have been ordering tons of them and then bang, no more.
Backer 1:
so the 4 week delay is from now, not ending now?
Backer 2:
From how Jarek has written above, I don't think he knows when he will have stands.
jarek ,will the lynn,dutch and extra weapon and head spure be in wave 3
Jarek Ewertowski:
yes
Jarek 2 questions: 1. Is it entirely possible that because of the 4 week delay for door stands, that the remaining 505 will receive more in their wave 2 (eg. Lynn, Dutch, Add-on Marines)? 2. The Dropship/APC is going to be released in resin and then released in plastic 8 months later
Jarek Ewertowski:
Drop ship will be in resin only, I was referring to prodos plastic manufacturing. 1. yes, that's possible
AFAIK the redesigned face huggers are molded to a base insert for a 30/40mm round lip base probably to make them easier to cast. The original face huggers were individual miniatures without any base molded to them.
Edit wait I was only joking about pink stands and then picture turns up with yellow, white and pink/red stands
That sucks about the facehuggers. It'll be very difficult to convert them to, say for instance, jumping onto victims and in midleap. I'm curious to see if the kool aid color door stands will make it into retail copies or if Prodos will be able to find a solution in time for those more important copies.
Am I the only one who can't figure out how they could run out of door stands?
They knew: 1. How many they needed per box. 2. How many KS boxes were pledged for.
You have to be pretty fethed up to not be able to do the math and order the correct amount.
I know it is not that simple. When you use KS product to fulfill retail orders instead of holding it for and shipping it to KS backers, I could see where you screw up. (not really, you still know how many box sets you are making and how many stands you need per, so ordering the correct amount plus some overage is still pretty damned easy).
CptJake wrote: Am I the only one who can't figure out how they could run out of door stands?
They knew:
1. How many they needed per box.
2. How many KS boxes were pledged for.
You have to be pretty fethed up to not be able to do the math and order the correct amount.
I know it is not that simple. When you use KS product to fulfill retail orders instead of holding it for and shipping it to KS backers, I could see where you screw up. (not really, you still know how many box sets you are making and how many stands you need per, so ordering the correct amount plus some overage is still pretty damned easy).
What a fething clown show this continues to be.
Yeah you would think that is a basic ..along the lines of using a basic xl spreadsheet to list all the components for each pledger and if you run Out of one then start packing the pledges that don't have those on their list.
Maybe the extra door stands disappeared into all those pre orders of space crusade
CptJake wrote: Am I the only one who can't figure out how they could run out of door stands?
They knew:
1. How many they needed per box.
2. How many KS boxes were pledged for.
You have to be pretty fethed up to not be able to do the math and order the correct amount.
I know it is not that simple. When you use KS product to fulfill retail orders instead of holding it for and shipping it to KS backers, I could see where you screw up. (not really, you still know how many box sets you are making and how many stands you need per, so ordering the correct amount plus some overage is still pretty damned easy).
What a fething clown show this continues to be.
I'm also intrigued by the statement that when their supplier 'ran out', Prodos needed 4 weeks' tooling time - are they really saying that they have cut an injection mould tool to make their own stands, and THEN got stuck with the funny colours that they showed in the photo? Or did they settle for the funny colours and the 4 weeks' tooling time is untrue? Or did I misunderstand and they did both?
Here's Jarek's quote and I can't be sure what he's meaning:
There has been an issue with door stands supplying for AvP board game (supplier ran out of it and could not supply any more from China, thus we needed to find a manufacturer in Europe and pay for tooling, 4 weeks delay), as a result some of you may receive a board game with different than black door stands, we took whatever supplier had in stock.
richred_uk wrote: I'm also intrigued by the statement that when their supplier 'ran out', Prodos needed 4 weeks' tooling time - are they really saying that they have cut an injection mould tool to make their own stands, and THEN got stuck with the funny colours that they showed in the photo? Or did they settle for the funny colours and the 4 weeks' tooling time is untrue? Or did I misunderstand and they did both?
I took the statement as their initial supplier ran out of black door stands. They took whatever color that initial supplier had in stock of those particular stands to ship with stuff, but that wasn't enough.
They found another manufacturer (probably to decrease delays with China), they picked someone in Europe. There will be a delay probably because that company has their own queue of stuff and need to tool for the stands.
That was how I read it. Now whether that means boxes for backers are delayed or that effects retail AvP board game or both, I'm not sure.
thatAJguy wrote: I still don't have anything from these goofs. I'm getting the feeling I flushed my money down the crapper. The wife is going to beat my head in
Just make sure she does it with the thinner tiles you'll likely be getting instead of what was shown initially; you won't have any permanent skull damage from those not retail but really retail copy kickstarter tiles. You'll get your fluorescent door stands and one piece facehuggers eventually.
Please make your model have internal space for dioramas!
Jarek Ewertowski: Hi there it will be forge world titans quality sculpt in terms of interior thanks
And more info on the Berserker card and door stands
Jarek Ewertowski: yes everybody will get the card in W3 in this case, as for completing wave 2, well no door stands supply hit us hard, KS and retail as well.
Jarek Ewertowsk: we have not expected to get this "off shelves" product to became obsolete, it looks like we have been the only one using this for a board game...
warboss wrote: That sucks about the facehuggers. It'll be very difficult to convert them to, say for instance, jumping onto victims and in midleap. I'm curious to see if the kool aid color door stands will make it into retail copies or if Prodos will be able to find a solution in time for those more important copies.
I suspect, the Facehugger change is due to the Licencing requirements, E.g., models must have 'Fox' stamped on the base or something. Eitherway, this KS is still a trainwreck.
At this point having received nothing I'm hoping they will be at salute, if they are I will be taking all I have pledged for from their stall on the day.
warboss wrote: That sucks about the facehuggers. It'll be very difficult to convert them to, say for instance, jumping onto victims and in midleap. I'm curious to see if the kool aid color door stands will make it into retail copies or if Prodos will be able to find a solution in time for those more important copies.
I suspect, the Facehugger change is due to the Licencing requirements, E.g., models must have 'Fox' stamped on the base or something. Eitherway, this KS is still a trainwreck.
This seems a little doubtful to me given the Fox logo will be on the retail packaging.
I'd check whether existing models have Fox stamped on them but I haven't received anything yet ;-)
In the pictures of the face huggers it looked like they were cast/molded to thier own base. Maybe thats why they couldn't use the pre-existing bases? Either way, I don't know what to think of them until I can see them in scale compared to other minis. IIRC during the ks they said the sculp would be larger than scale due to how small they would be in true scale? At any rate just another example of a half assed attempt to get this project out the door, IMO.
Grumpae wrote: In the pictures of the face huggers it looked like they were cast/molded to thier own base. Maybe thats why they couldn't use the pre-existing bases?
Looks like they were sculpted on top of a base insert, so I suspect they will still fit into a standard base.
The ones originally shown were not on a base. Someone speculated maybe they were put on a base to allow the Fox logo, we just pointed out that the other figures handled the logo issue by putting them on logo bases. Could have done the same with the face huggers.
I suspect they had alot of breakages while casting on the huggers as they were very fine .to save on costs they've integrated them into the base so they are easier to cast and not as fragile. Best thing to do tbh . They could allways do some multipart ones later on .
Grumpae wrote: In the pictures of the face huggers it looked like they were cast/molded to thier own base. Maybe thats why they couldn't use the pre-existing bases?
Looks like they were sculpted on top of a base insert, so I suspect they will still fit into a standard base.
Nope, they're 30mm bases, not inserts. You'll have to do a lot of work to turn them into inserts, probably not worth it.
CURNOW wrote: I suspect they had alot of breakages while casting on the huggers as they were very fine .to save on costs they've integrated them into the base so they are easier to cast and not as fragile.
Not that bothered how the facehuggers come, those bases look like they will mix well with the Fenris games ones. Will the 'Ash' base ever be released I wonder?
The rule in the game is pretty terrible (actually, canon-busting) where you take something out with a Facehugger and then it comes back as a warrior or whatever. That one's going to be house-ruled to 'instant kill' instead
Am just waiting on my wave 3 stuff now, although definitely enjoying painting my way through the marines (which are lovely, it has to be said)
I've received my AVP game this morning in the UK via UPS. Not sure if I have the KS version or Retail? Inside the box, all the cards are held by a rubber band, originally I believe they came in their own box. The board tiles themselves look OK, but don’t know the difference between a retail copy and a KS copy. I don’t have the green acid spit template. I’ll do a proper inventory check later tonight. If someone can point out the differences in the two versions it would be appreciated.
In terms of extra’s I ordered, I have:
- Facehuggers (moulded onto bases)
- Beserker Predator
- Yutani Marines
- Alternative Colonial Marines
- Powerloader
- Alien Queen
- Alien Royal Guard
- Alien Eggs
- Alien Warriors
- x3 sets of Dice
All of these are just packed in zip lock bags and loose in 1 box. Not in any sort of retail packaging.
I’m still waiting on:
- Predator Ship Tiles
- Cloaked Predators (all variants)
- Young Bloods
- Female Predator
- Sentry Guns
- Dutch and someone else!
TheSecretSquig wrote: If someone can point out the differences in the two versions it would be appreciated.
The basic difference (bar the shoddy packaging, but then everyone is now get that afaict - they haven't used retail packaging for add-ons since December) is the thickness of the cardstock. If your floor tiles are a different thickness to your ping tokens and doors, then you have retail. if they are all the same, you have original kickstarter. Given that you don't have the spit templates, I fully expect you've got a retail-ised set. You'll also have a few less corridors and other bits (air ducts iirc) Still enough to set up all the layouts in the rulebook, but still less than the KS loadout.
BTW - you're the very first to report getting the alternative marines. We had no idea they'd even been approved.
Automatically Appended Next Post: According to Prodos (on facebook) you can't have the alternative marines because they haven't been made yet, Are you sure you mean alternatives - ie the multi-part poseable ones, and not the additional set that matches the ones that come in the boxed game?
BTW - you're the very first to report getting the alternative marines. We had no idea they'd even been approved.
Automatically Appended Next Post: According to Prodos (on facebook) you can't have the alternative marines because they haven't been made yet, Are you sure you mean alternatives - ie the multi-part poseable ones, and not the additional set that matches the ones that come in the boxed game?
I'll check tonight. I ordered a set of the alternative marines, not the duplicate ones from the game. I assumed because I've a pack of marines in the extra's box, they were in fact the alternative ones. I've not been through it properly as yet. I'll post some pic's up.
As for the boards, I've looked again and found the Acid Spit Template. The boards are double sided. I've a friend who ordered a copy at retail, but he's unsure if he got the retail or KS version! All the card stock seems to be the same thickness.
TheSecretSquig wrote: After a check, I can confirm that I don't have the alternative marines.
Damn! I hope that's just a screw up and not a not so subtle way of saying there will be no alternate marines! God I hate the running pose of the medic!
JoeRugby wrote: My partial pledge will be available to pick up at my local ups point tomorrow apparently.
Will see which version of the game I get.
You should get the new version of the ks. I got mine about a month ago and thats what I had. You can tell easily if it has the flamer/acid template in it. Good luck!
Yeah, when I opened mine up I saw the rubber bands on the decks of cards and thought I'd got retail, but then I had a gakload of tiles and the template set so I actually did get the KS version.
In other news, got my rulebook in the mail today, so I can hopefully play this weekend!
Nostromodamus wrote: Yeah, when I opened mine up I saw the rubber bands on the decks of cards and thought I'd got retail, but then I had a gakload of tiles and the template set so I actually did get the KS version.
In other news, got my rulebook in the mail today, so I can hopefully play this weekend!
Congrats on getting the rule book (finally)! Now you too can join in the fun of trying to use it! I painted all of my minis first, then cracked open the rule book, I hadn't even gotten past the index page before finding an error. I'm beginning to think that they only get things right by accident....
Thats the same one that I have. I was probably being overly critical, but I found numerous gramatical errors, incorrect page #'s in the index and several contradictory rules in my first read through. I may have been extra harsh on it due to ksbs...
Grumpae wrote: Thats the same one that I have. I was probably being overly critical, but I found numerous gramatical errors, incorrect page #'s in the index and several contradictory rules in my first read through. I may have been extra harsh on it due to ksbs...
If only they had an extra year or two to iron out stuff like that after the original release date...
So I compared my KS copy I finally recieved, with the copy my friend bought from retail last autumn. They are identical in every way. Both have identical components, the only difference was my cards were wrapped in rubber bands, his came in white boxes. Both of us has the flamer templates.
TheSecretSquig wrote: So I compared my KS copy I finally recieved, with the copy my friend bought from retail last autumn. They are identical in every way. Both have identical components, the only difference was my cards were wrapped in rubber bands, his came in white boxes. Both of us has the flamer templates.
Yeah, the initial retail release was the KS release. It was mighty nice of Prodos to get the retailers the exclusive KS version of the game while us backers waited, and waited, and in some case are still waiting.
So I was looking at the rulebook and came across a lovely painted Predator Berserker photograph. The caption states that it is not included in the board game and is available seperately.
CptJake wrote: The Berserker sculpt was supposed to be KS exclusive, but Prodos did indicate they may release the 'character' with a different sculpt.
Of course, it would surprise me to find out Prodos went back on a promise.
Okay, not really.
actually they've said the exact opposite.
Jarek Ewertowski Also, Berserker model will not hit retail ever. Thanks.
Like · Reply · 18 February at 23:22
James Boyle
James Boyle you could do a masked ver for retail
Like · Reply · 18 February at 23:23
Jarek Ewertowski
Jarek Ewertowski Thanks for suggestion but Berserker model won't hit retail in any alternative form or shape.
Like · Reply · 18 February at 23:24
Jarek Ewertowski
Jarek Ewertowski Let me clarify this too : Berserker in current form and shape won't hit retail as well.
Like · Reply · 18 February at 23:27
I'm not saying you should believe them, but it is what they've said.
Maybe they originally planned to release a different sculpt, thus making its inclusion in the rulebook logical, but Fox have decided it's non-canon and won't let them?
Got mine, Picked my stuff up yesterday from the UPS pickup point.
The predator and Alien minis are stunning, and when you get them they do make the wait slightly more tolerable in hindsight
the marines are really good sculpts and casts but their too big ( about 34/35mm tall on average)to go with the rest of my collection so that takes the shine off them.
Missing the arm from one of the preds and the head on the power loader is miscast, otherwise the rest of the minis ( that are approved) seem all there.
How do I tell if I have the retail o KS version of the game again?
JoeRugby wrote: Got mine, Picked my stuff up yesterday from the UPS pickup point.
The predator and Alien minis are stunning, and when you get them they do make the wait slightly more tolerable in hindsight
the marines are really good sculpts and casts but their too big ( about 34/35mm tall on average)to go with the rest of my collection so that takes the shine off them.
Missing the arm from one of the preds and the head on the power loader is miscast, otherwise the rest of the minis ( that are approved) seem all there.
How do I tell if I have the retail o KS version of the game again?
JoeRugby wrote: Got mine, Picked my stuff up yesterday from the UPS pickup point.
The predator and Alien minis are stunning, and when you get them they do make the wait slightly more tolerable in hindsight
the marines are really good sculpts and casts but their too big ( about 34/35mm tall on average)to go with the rest of my collection so that takes the shine off them.
Missing the arm from one of the preds and the head on the power loader is miscast, otherwise the rest of the minis ( that are approved) seem all there.
How do I tell if I have the retail o KS version of the game again?
Blast markers/flame templates- did you get any?
Yes
10 tile/ board section sheets
1 with circular rooms and blast markers
2 thinner sheets with counters
Has the queen model been released? I had discarded my broken metal version from the 90's in the hopes of picking one up from this KS. I'm more than a bit nervous to order it out of the store as well, if available.
Stormonu wrote: Has the queen model been released? I had discarded my broken metal version from the 90's in the hopes of picking one up from this KS. I'm more than a bit nervous to order it out of the store as well, if available.
The Queen has been out for a while now. Most of the online game stores show stock, this will require less intestinal fortitude...
Anybody managed to get any sense out of prodos recently by email?
I'm still waiting on a large part of my pledge - and have tried emailing them to ask about it, but I'm getting delivery failures on every Prodos address I try :(
Nope haven't had a single reply to any email ive sent in the last 2yrs . Im checking out uk distance selling regulations atm to see if they cover pre-orders so i can get a refund if anything ever turns up .
CURNOW wrote: Nope haven't had a single reply to any email ive sent in the last 2yrs . Im checking out uk distance selling regulations atm to see if they cover pre-orders so i can get a refund if anything ever turns up .
I received absolutely nothing from them in reply to all my emails, apart from something yesterday:
Hi,
your KS order is currently with our packing team waiting in a line.
It will be shipped in two weeks.
I noticed recently that one of the FB groups for AvP has been deleted.
I was notified in the appropriate place in FB that one group (can't remember what it was called but I think it was called along the lines of "AvP Wargamer/Wayland Utani) turned from closed or public to secret but when I clicked on it the page just gave me error messages and "could not be found" and all that jazz, so i searched for it in FB's search menu and I found nothing.
Dunno if that's news or not but couldn't find anyone bringing that up.
happygolucky wrote: I noticed recently that one of the FB groups for AvP has been deleted.
I was notified in the appropriate place in FB that one group (can't remember what it was called but I think it was called along the lines of "AvP Wargamer/Wayland Utani) turned from closed or public to secret but when I clicked on it the page just gave me error messages and "could not be found" and all that jazz, so i searched for it in FB's search menu and I found nothing.
Dunno if that's news or not but couldn't find anyone bringing that up.
I got the same notification - I'd been a member too but never really noticed it having activity, so I guess the group owner just decided it wasn't worth keeping open - it was an independent group rather than a Prodos one.
Having just read latest ks update letter now, having received absolutely nothing (am pretty sure that as I have stuff that is going to be in wave 3 I won't be getting anything until it's all approved. So 3 years will be not far away from passing with this.
Prodos Games Ltd says:
Hello backers,
Before we get inundated with questions in relation to pledges, I would ask that you read the previous update in relation to the issue we had in relation to door stands. Sure we should have made sure that we had the supplier locked in but things like this happen and we were caught out. This has led to a 5 week delay in shipping and is unfortunately outside of our control. Some have asked as to the reason that we didn’t announce this earlier. The reason is that we didn’t want to panic anyone and had hoped that the new supplier could be sourced much faster such that there would essentially have been no need to inform anyone of the problem. I am now acknowledging that all packages have not yet been issued because of this delay and I know some of you out there are still awaiting wave 2.
At this time we are currently looking at packing 50 of pledges to be posted this week with the remainder to issue shortly. This has been solely down to the issue with the stands and no other reason. We have funds to ship, we are working on new stuff and we are awaiting on Fox to clear some beautiful new sculpts.
Some of you have already seen some 3d concept of the new Dropship and looking at it, it’s going to be huge. Pricing wise we’re not 100% sure until it’s actually cast but what I can say is, it is planned, that this will be a 2 model box set. That’s right, 2 models. 1 the Dropship and the 2nd being the APC. We are really excited about making these iconic vehicles.
Back to talking about the stands. We have received Monday stands. Yesterday the 1st wave of games came to us (2 pallets as on attached pictures), and today, despite the huge shortage on staff due to sickness, 50 of them are going out. Reminding games should be with us within 2-3 weeks and it's game over. Please bear in mind, some of these stands will be different colours but this is unavoidable as we are trying to ship this out as fast as possible.(and to be honest, aliens keep ripping the doors open in all our games anyway so they never last long)
Approvals: we are green lighted on : Young Bloods, Sentry Guns, Female Predator, they will be available for collection at Salute. And part of wave 3 post Salute ( along with remaining clear predators, Sergeant, and other alternative pieces), hence wave 3 will start post Salute (beg of April), I understand that for some of you it may be 1st/2nd/3rd wave, and we had to deliberately postpone shipping of newly approved item due to manpower capacity constrains (packing) and constant over-promising.
Shipping pre-Salute: we will get as many parcels as possible in next 3 weeks, however there won't be no shipping 2 weeks before Salute, simply due to shortage on staff and preparing stock/pledges for collection, if any, for Salute.
SALUTE collection + alternative Warrior models : If for some reason your pledge is now with you by Salute 2015 and and you plan to visit this year Salute please let us know via email additionally please make sure that you have your pledge manager print out and some ID, you may also collect pledge for your friend (please make sure your friend email us with name of the person that will be collecting his/her pledge).
An alternative Warrior models! - We will have a limited stock of "show only model" at Salute, about 50 sets at max. - Warrior models from the Aliens movie (classic design) and with Gods help maybe a Dropship and/or APC.
REMINDER: Please , please , please check your pledge manager for correct address and/or missing name surname (we need both for shipping). We had in last 4 weeks (shipped in last 2 months) 47 pledges returned to us due to wrong address, I understand that it was a really long ride, and in some cases people have moved to new places, however we wont be able to re-ship your KS at this stage and it will be put on a pile to be delivered at the end of this madness (unless you are happy to cover re-shipping costs now). Accepting your return doubles the cost of shipping for us as well as we have to pay for road back.
Thanks
Oh what a surprise another delayed deadline they still can't stick too. They even have the cheek to say some of you haven't received wave 2 yet, so far I have received nothing. All I can say is if your in the UK get to salute and strip their stand of everything your owed, hopefully this will leave them nothing to sell leaving their trip as a nice big loss.
I thought i must have been the only one with nothing to show for putting my trust (and cash) in Prodos 3 years ago, but i shoukd have known better.
As usual my emails get ignored, updates come out full of lies and delays.
If it ever does arrive, its getting sold straight away, 3 years later I'm not into minis games anymore. Will keep the stretch goals thou, I've always wanted Colonial Matines models and may actually have some.
Sigh, what a waste
Yeah im the same ..except my pledge doesn't include stands i bet its still delayed due to "stands" almost 3 years and a year since release and i don't have a single thing to show for it . No way they will be getting a penny more from me on this
Oh ? The same that jarek himself wrote to me (without the "2 weeks")... 2 months ago...
Be patient my friend...
Serviteur,
Morikun
Incredible.. the quality of material that you are putting out on your site/forums, you would think they would say "We've got to get this guy his stuff!"
Unbelievable that people are still waiting for their wave 1 and 2 at this stage
CURNOW wrote: Yeah im the same ..except my pledge doesn't include stands i bet its still delayed due to "stands" almost 3 years and a year since release and i don't have a single thing to show for it . No way they will be getting a penny more from me on this
Same here - I'm just waiting on some minis. But all emails ignored, and no stuff.
Heh, that latest post made me laugh, " and I know some of you out there are still awaiting wave 2".
Just in case anybody is keeping count, I'm also in the received bugger all camp. I'm also in the 'Prodos have never replied to any of my emails, which is why I find myself here' camp.
Again, thanks for posting all of the updates guys. Without this festering pool of vitriolic hate, it really would be a media blackout as far as AvP is concerned.
Well the day i get mine in the post prodos will probably be getting a email from me to let them know i will be returning the items for a refund under the 2014 consumer contracts regulations tbh i cant even get the energy to want to paint them and if i keep them they will just sit in a box so refund and a whole new bolt action army with the money i think
Add me as a +1 to the "I haven't got jack-gak" column. My PM still says "awaiting", and I used my full name, not a nickname, when I pledged for this kickstarter. Just plain tired of one excuse after another.
Well I've sent an email to arrange pick up from salute, let's see if I get any response. I wouldn't have thought they would want me anywhere near them but hey ho.
Well I intend to door step them (make a suprise demand) for free product in lieu of the shipping cost I'm saving them and the inconvenience they are causing me. Should go down like a fart in a elevator.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Well I intend to door step them for free product in lieu of the shipping cost I'm saving them and the inconven they aw causing me.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Well I've sent an email to arrange pick up from salute, let's see if I get any response. I wouldn't have thought they would want me anywhere near them but hey ho.
I doubt you'll get a reply. Despite similar requests at all of the other cons they've attended, they have refused to pre-arrange collection and always done a "first come, first served" system with very limited stock. At UK Expo last year, if you weren't through the door inside the first 10 minutes, you were out of luck. I've heard similar stories from other events.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:Well I intend to door step them (make a suprise demand) for free product in lieu of the shipping cost I'm saving them and the inconvenience they are causing me. Should go down like a fart in a elevator.
Good luck, let us know how you get on. It was a promise made in their update of October 18th btw. I've emailed them with the exact same request stating that I expect them to include that model in my wave 3 shipment. I have (after I was told on facebook that I only had facehuggers - my only wave 3 item - left to come, had confirmation from Prodos that they have my email. I shall be hammering that request home if need be.
Prodos Games Ltd says:
Hello backers,
Before we get inundated with questions in relation to pledges, I would ask that you read the previous update in relation to the issue we had in relation to door stands. Sure we should have made sure that we had the supplier locked in but things like this happen and we were caught out. This has led to a 5 week delay in shipping and is unfortunately outside of our control. Some have asked as to the reason that we didn’t announce this earlier. The reason is that we didn’t want to panic anyone and had hoped that the new supplier could be sourced much faster such that there would essentially have been no need to inform anyone of the problem. I am now acknowledging that all packages have not yet been issued because of this delay and I know some of you out there are still awaiting wave 2.
At this time we are currently looking at packing 50 of pledges to be posted this week with the remainder to issue shortly. This has been solely down to the issue with the stands and no other reason. We have funds to ship, we are working on new stuff and we are awaiting on Fox to clear some beautiful new sculpts.
Some of you have already seen some 3d concept of the new Dropship and looking at it, it’s going to be huge. Pricing wise we’re not 100% sure until it’s actually cast but what I can say is, it is planned, that this will be a 2 model box set. That’s right, 2 models. 1 the Dropship and the 2nd being the APC. We are really excited about making these iconic vehicles.
Back to talking about the stands. We have received Monday stands. Yesterday the 1st wave of games came to us (2 pallets as on attached pictures), and today, despite the huge shortage on staff due to sickness, 50 of them are going out. Reminding games should be with us within 2-3 weeks and it's game over. Please bear in mind, some of these stands will be different colours but this is unavoidable as we are trying to ship this out as fast as possible.(and to be honest, aliens keep ripping the doors open in all our games anyway so they never last long)
Approvals: we are green lighted on : Young Bloods, Sentry Guns, Female Predator, they will be available for collection at Salute. And part of wave 3 post Salute ( along with remaining clear predators, Sergeant, and other alternative pieces), hence wave 3 will start post Salute (beg of April), I understand that for some of you it may be 1st/2nd/3rd wave, and we had to deliberately postpone shipping of newly approved item due to manpower capacity constrains (packing) and constant over-promising.
Shipping pre-Salute: we will get as many parcels as possible in next 3 weeks, however there won't be no shipping 2 weeks before Salute, simply due to shortage on staff and preparing stock/pledges for collection, if any, for Salute.
Jarek on Facebook wrote:,<SNIP> as for dropship, we will revisit it a bit, in general the movie one has no room for a APC to go inside... so we needed to bulk it a bit (5%) to fit APC in real scale. but as this had so much "prodos dad, gak and in general go F your self" we may just cancel the APC and keep closed ram drop ship with much "movie" scale and less rivets (that would not be there after 3d print anyway, but hey, this is what you get when you show just a half of the story.
So no APC maybe because Prodos are taking their toys home in a fit of pique after people said the drop ship wasn't very good and that Prodos aren't very good.
So they have it for pre-order, and it may end up being closed ramp. Or not. Aside from fething themselves (a suggestion I for one think they should take), they should let folks know what they can expect for what they are charging.
I must have received brain damage as a kid, because I just pre-ordered one of these fat squat dropships.
I did get a notice that they will dispense orders in reverse chronological order. So, the orders placed first will fulfilled last, just like the kickstarter campaign backers.
Which, I am a "get to the chopper" backer with nothing to show for it.... yet. I'm hoping that they will ship everything at once. I kind of doubt it however. Especially since I included the 3D tiles to my "get to the chopper" reward. I talked to Prodos last year when they were at Adepticon, and they said the 3D board was looking really cool. They mentioned that the side walls were high as they were initially rendered, but were removable from the base.
an update regarding the drop ship ... background ... Prodos are taking heavy fire on Facebook for the design of the dropship, which many backers think is too far removed from the original.
....[snip] as for dropship, we will revisit it a bit, in general the movie one has no room for a APC to go inside... so we needed to bulk it a bit (5%) to fit APC in real scale. but as this had so much "prodos dad, gak and in general go F your self" we may just cancel the APC and keep closed ram drop ship with much "movie" scale and less rivets (that would not be there after 3d print anyway, but hey, this is what you get when you show just a half of the story.
I sure as hell think you are insane to pre-order if Fox has not approved it.
On the one hand, how could Prodos announce it if it were not approved? On the other, why on earth would Fox have approved that monstrosity? (and why in Gods name would anybody actually want one?)
Any chance you can post up the link for the pm?
