Apologies if this is mentioned in the general 40k thread, but as it's a boxed game (new starter set alongside or replacing Dark Vengeance??) it should probably get it's own thread anyway.
Update: It's clearly a new starter set - what with the 40k rules included and all - with pretty much what works out to be the contents of what would be:
Start Collecting: Deathwatch
Start Collecting: Harlequins
Plus rulebook, extra DW accessory sprue, formations, scenarios, etc. No idea if it fits alongside or replaces DV yet.
Source: Discount Games Store Pre-orders
Warhammer 40k Death Masque retails for $150
Boxed Game Contents:
1 Watch Captain Artemis
5 Deathwatch Veterans
5 Vanguard Veterans
1 Deathwatch Upgrade Sprue
1 Venerable Dreadnought
1 Eldrad Ultran (sic)
12 Harlequin Players
1 Death Jester
1 Voidweaver
2 Skyweavers
1 Harlequin transfer sheet.
208 pg40k Rulebook with special Death Watch Cover (think softback mini rulebook)
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Warhammer 40k Deathwatch Codex retails for $50
Warhammer 40k Deathwatch Dice retails for $20
Warhammer 40k Deathwatch Datacards retails for $13.50
Description
A set of 20 16mm dice, featuring 15 different Chapter markings and 5 Deathwatch icons in place of the 1, this cube is perfect for the avid Deathwatch collector.
Chapters represented:
Ultramarines
Blood Angels
Black Templars
Crimson Fists
Mentors
Iron Hands
Space Wolves
Raven Guard
Blood Drinkers
Flesh Tearers
Salamanders
Silver Skulls
Imperial Fists
Dark Angels
White Scars
"-The "Chapter Tactic" of the Deathwatch is called: Mission Tactics. At the beginning of your first turn you choose: HQ, Elite, Troops, Fast Attack or Heavy Support. You may reroll 1`s to hit vs Targets of the chosen type. Once per battle, at the beginning of any of your turns you may change the chosen type.
Guardian Spear: S+1, AP2, Melee, 2 hands, Block (Once per turn choose an attack the hit the bearer. Roll a D6, if the result is higher than the to hit roll of the enemy, attack is ignored).
Clavis; -1 to WS, BS and I to enemy vehicles at 6"
Tactic master: If chosen as the Warlord, you may change the Mission Tactic rule one additional time per game.
Watch Captain
- 95 points
- Company master profile
- Usual equipment + special ammo
- May be equipped with anything really,
Chaplain
- 95 points.
- Same as normal chaplain + special ammo.
Librarian
- 70 points (Lvl 1, +25 for Lvl2)
- Same as usual + special ammo.
Troops
Veterans:
- 110 points for 5 models
- Usual profile
- Up to 5 more models in the unit
- Any veteran may be equipped with CCW, Special Weapons or Shot Weapons (Translation may be inaccurate)
- Up to 4 veterans may be equipped with Heavy Weapon
- Any model may be equipped with Heavy Thunder Hammer (+30/model)
- One Veteran may be upgraded to Black Shield
- One Veteran may be upgraded to Watch Seargent and may change his CCW for a Xenosomething blade and may purchase equipment from the Special List
- Rhino, Razorback or Corvus thing as Dedicated Transport
Shot Weapons:
- Bolter, Assault bolter, ... etc. As usual
Heavy Weapons
As usual+:
- Heavy Bolter may get Inferno ammo (24", S1, AP-, Blast, Poison2+) +5 points
- Infernus Heavy Bolter: 36" S5, AP 4, Assault3
Heavy Flamer
Non of the profiles is one use only. Inferno HB costs +20 per model.
- Deatchwatch Frag cannon: Template S6 AP- Assault2, Rending
24" S7 AP3, Assault 2, Impact
Impact: if target is at 12" or less: S9 and AP2
Elite
Terminators
- 40 points per model (max squad size is 5, min 1)
- Any model may get: Hammer + Shield (+10) or Claws (Free).
- Any model may get: Power Sword (free), Chainfist (+5), Power Fist with aux meltagun (+10)
- Any model may get: Heavy Flamer, Assault Cannon or Cyclon Missile Launcher (usual costs)
Power fist with aux meltagun: May use it as a meltagun and a power fist in the same turn. No one-use limitation
Dreardnoughts
No visible changes here
Vanguard Veternas
No visible changes here but have the special ammo rule.
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Fast Attack
Bikers
-30 points per model
- Special ammo
- Skilled rider
- Split fire
- Squad size (1-5)
- Any model may get power sword (+5)
- Any model may get melta bombs (+5)
- Any model may get teleporting beacon (+10)
Corvus Blackstar
- 180 points
- Twin Linked Assault Cannon
- Black star launcher thing: S4, AP6, Bomb1, Big Blast
S5, AP4, Bomb1, Big Blast, Ignores Cover
- 4 Stormstrike missiles
- Ceramite Plating
- Assault Vehicle
- Attack Flyer
- Transport Capacity: 12. May transport Jump Infantry and Bikes !!!!
- May change the TW Assault Cannon for twin linked lascannon (free)
- May change the 4 misseles for a twin linked Blackstar missile Launcher: 30" S6, AP4, Heavy 1D6, AA 30" S4, AP5 Heavy1, Big Blast, Ignores Cover
Black shield upgrade: One veteran per squad can be upgraded to Black Shield. He gains the "Penitence through honour" special rule that grants him to double his attacks when fighting and IC, MC, a Vehicle or when his unit its outnumbered.
Heavy thunder hammer is S10, AP2, Melee, Unwieldy, 2-handed, Concussive, Pulverize (6 to wound have the Instant Death special rule)
Special ammo can be used now with: Bolt Pistols, Bolter and Silence Bolter, each of them with their own profile.
Bikers cannot purchase any other equipment than the one I listed before (Power swords, melta bombs and beacons), but remember that they have the special ammo rule.
2x Heavy thunder hammers
12 shoulder pads for different chapters
1x Bolter/Heavy flamer thing
1x Frag cannon
2x Shields
A lot of power swords
1x combi weapon
5 back packs
A lot of heads
Couple of shotguns
Couple of silence bolter
1x Xenothing sword
and some other stuff
Aquila Kill Teams:
1 unit of veterans
1 or more Librarians, Terminators, Vanguard Veternas and/or Bikers
Special rules:
- Reroll of 1's to wound and 1's to penétrate.
- Kill team rule: All models in the unit are considered a single unit and cannot divide them through the combat squad rule. IC cannot leave the unit during the game.
Restrictions:
- Formation can have max size of 10 models, not counting the dedicated transports
Furor Kill Team
1 Unit of Veterans
1 unit of Termies
any number of units of Libbies, Vanguard Veterans, Bikers
Special rules:
- Reroll to wound and to penétrate vs Troops
- Kill team rule
Restrictions:Max 10 models (See above)
Venator Kill team
1 unit of veterans
1 unit of bikers
Any number of units of Libbies, Terminators, Vanguard Veterans
Special rules:
Reroll to wound and to penétrate vs Fast Attack
Kill team special rule
Restrictions: Max 10 models
Dominatus Kill team
1 unit of Veterans
1 unit of Vanguard Veterans
Any number of Libbies, Termies, Bikers
Special rules:
Reroll to wound and to penétrate vs Elite
Kill team special rule
Max 10 models
Malleus Kill Team
1 unit of veterans
1 unit of termies
any number of Libbies, Vanguard veternas or bikers
Special rules:
reroll to wound and to penétrate vs HS Kill team
Max 10 models
Purgatus Kill team
1 unit of Veterans
1 Librarian
1 unit of Termies
Any number of Libbies, Vanguard Vets and/or bikers
Reroll to wound and to penétrate vs HQ Kill team
Max 10 models
Strategium Command Team
1 Watch Captain, Chaplain or Libby
1 unit of Veterans or 1 of the above formations
If the formation has a Watch Captain all modles get 6+ FnP as long as the captain is alive
If commanded by a Chaplain all models have Furious Charge
If commanded by a Libby: Stubborn and Adamantium will
Watch Company
1 Watch Captain
4 of: Units of Veterns or the Kill teams mentioned above.
Reroll to wound vs HQ, Psykers or IC
Corvus Dropship wing
3 Corvus things
Reroll to wound and to penetrate vs Flyers or FMC.
Kill team special rule
Restrictions: Max 10 models
Iuchiban wrote: Relics:
Super special ammo (10 points)
When used with bolt pistol, bolter or silece bolter, 6 to wound have Instand Death
Angelis beacon (30 points)
Works like a normal beacon but once per game, at the beginning of your Movement Phase you can remove a Deatchwatch unit from the battlefield (even if in combat) and Deep strike the unit at 6" of the bearer of the beacon.
Dominus Aegis (20 points)
If bearer does not move, his unit gets 4++
Osseus Key (15 points)
Clavis. Additional, if bearer attacks a vehicle roll a D6. 1 - no effect. 2-3 Vehicle suffers a glancing hit. 4+ Vehicle suffers pen. hit.
Thief of Secrets (20 points)
Power sword + After a model suffers an unsaved woud bearer learns all weaknesses of the objetive. From them on if attack to a model which weaknesses have been learned, wound on 2+. For example, after a Carnifex suffers an unsaved wound, bearer may wound any Carnifex on a 2+.
Ectoclades book (10 points)
At the beginning of your turn bearer may choose one Mission Tactic. When doing so, bearer and his unit gain that misión tactic, additionally to the one granted normally.
Warlord Traits:
1. Warlord reroll to wound and to pen. vs MC, Tanks and superheavies.
2. Roll a D6. That many times Warlor OR his unit may reroll one to Hit, Wound or Pen roll.
3. All Warlord's weapons are Master-Crafted (Not the relics)
4. Warlord has Night Vision. May choose to have Night Fight during the first turn.
5. May change the Mission Tactic one additional time.
6. At the beginning of any turn Warlord may order a bombardment on a enemiy unit at 12" or less. Roll a D6. On a 3+ Target suffers D3 hits, S6, AP4. On a result of 6, D3 hits, S10, AP2.
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Bulldogging wrote: Did I miss the rules for the xenosword? Forgive me but I didn't see it.
Xenosword is a power sword. Saved wounds (when using an inv. save) must be rerolled.
Watch Captain Artemis (The one in the box)
- 145 points
- Power Sword
- Frag and Krak Granades
- Iron Halo
- Special ammo
- Warlord Trait: May change Mission Tactics one additional time
- Fearless
- FnP 6+
- Hellfire Extremis: Combiweapon. Secondary weapon is: Template, S1, AP2, Assault 1, Poison 2+
- Stasis bomb: Once per game, when attacking in close combat, he may instead make a single stasis bomb attack. If so, roll to hit as normal, but resolve the attack with SD, AP1. If the attack misses, Artemis suffers one SD, AP1 hit instead.
Iuchiban wrote: Finally my little 9 month monster is sleeping and I am completly yours ....
Let's go:
The sprue (I would post a picture, but I do not know how....Warseer was easier ...
Well the sprue has:
2x Heavy thunder hammers
12 shoulder pads for different chapters
1x Bolter/Heavy flamer thing
1x Frag cannon
2x Shields
A lot of power swords
1x combi weapon
5 back packs
A lot of heads
Couple of shotguns
Couple of silence bolter
1x Xenothing sword
and some other stuff
Is that in addition to the stuff for the actual Deathwatch Veterans?
The box includes one standard Vanguard Veteran Sprue and 1 Deatchwatch Sprue that includes what I listed above.
Iuchiban wrote: Grav Pistols and Grav guns are in. Grav Cannons are not.
Vets can take any number of special weapons and up to 4 Heavy Weapons from the list ( Heavy Bolter, Heavy Flamer, Missile Launcher, Heavy Bolter/Flamer thing and Frag Cannon.
There are 2x Termi size shoulder pads in the sprue.
Absolutionis wrote: Plus, doesn't Ulthran have a Council of Isha pact with the Deathwatch? Why are they fighting?
Which isn't used that much. Eldar xenos, Deathwatch exists to hunt down Xenos. Top of that IoM and Eldar aren't on the same side. They can fight together for sake of convenience but are just as likely to fight against when their goals don't match even temporarily. And it's not that illogical IoM to use their specialized anti-xenos unit when fighting against xenos...
Also deal is between Ulthwe and _some_ members of ordo xenos. Other member says "screw those filthy xenos for standing against our rightful right to dominate the galaxy!"
And deathwatch being military arm of ordo xenos is not that likely to disobey Inquisitor who says "attack these xenos as is your job"
Absolutionis wrote: Why is Eldrad Ulthran leading a group of Harlequins?
Plus, doesn't Ulthran have a Coven of Isha agreement with the Deathwatch? Why are they fighting?
Because BUY THESE COOL MODELS!!!
...which will 100% work on me. I'm down for 4 boxes, baby. I've loved the Harlies since RT, and thought the DW was cool since the WD they were introduced in, and was sorely disappointed when the third Inquisition Codex which should have included them was a no-show.
It looks pretty, goes on pre-order this Saturday and UK price is £95, which when you think about, the Deathwatch side (based on rough estimates) are about £130 alone. So tempted but I really need to show some restraint!
I'm only really interested in Watch-Captain Artemis, since DWO has me covered for the Deathwatch goodness. Will probably snap up a deal on eBay for him. That and I regret never having bought him in 54mm. Not interested in painting motley. Far too much messing about for my liking.
The independent parts are about 465 Canadian all together, assuming Eldrad and Artemis are 30 each, and the Deathwatch box costs the same as a box of Sternguard.
I'm guessing the box is going to be 180 Canadian? I mean, that's what BAC was, and I think it's 150 US.
angelofvengeance wrote: I'm only really interested in Watch-Captain Artemis, since DWO has me covered for the Deathwatch goodness. Will probably snap up a deal on eBay for him. That and I regret never having bought him in 54mm. Not interested in painting motley. Far too much messing about for my liking.
Not all Masques use motley, god knows I couldn't paint that either.
@OP I got the same email and checked it out on their website. I was very tempted to pre-order a box because I am currently looking for something completely new to do for 40k ( It has become extremely boring for me lately ). I am tossing between ordering it now and waiting 2928475 weeks for it to arrive (Slow seller...ive used them before. Unless you go through ebay where they post asap due to ratings, but charge higher prices) , or waiting to see what its like here in Aus.
My only wonder is how much do you think it'l be Aussie ? If its about 98GBP and about 150USD , the rough conversion would put it about 200ish but knowing that GW prices are never a literal conversion of currencies, My guess will be a solid $280 or so.
Soldier0Fortune wrote: @OP I got the same email and checked it out on their website. I was very tempted to pre-order a box because I am currently looking for something completely new to do for 40k ( It has become extremely boring for me lately ). I am tossing between ordering it now and waiting 2928475 weeks for it to arrive (Slow seller...ive used them before. Unless you go through ebay where they post asap due to ratings, but charge higher prices) , or waiting to see what its like here in Aus.
My only wonder is how much do you think it'l be Aussie ? If its about 98GBP and about 150USD , the rough conversion would put it about 200ish but knowing that GW prices are never a literal conversion of currencies, My guess will be a solid $280 or so.
What do you all think ?
I've used DGS in the past. They used to be great, but their speed of shipping and more importantly, standard of packaging have severely dropped over the years to the point where I no longer bother with them - so I just use other sellers now. There's a ton of them between Amazon and eBay, and a lot of them are cheaper to boot. We know the local price will be horrid, and the best local prices (Black Cultist) come with the guy being a turd to deal with. Poor attitude and gakky service - and with his time to ship (which is a separate issue to the gakky service) and higher prices than overseas anyway, he's just not worth dealing with at all.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just found the boxed shots - the contents are very much in line with a combined -
The only thing new on the Harlequin side is Eldrad, and whether he can be taken as a Harly HQ beyond the formation that will be in the box I have no idea.
Imateria wrote: The only thing new on the Harlequin side is Eldrad, and whether he can be taken as a Harly HQ beyond the formation that will be in the box I have no idea.
the silhouette of the Death Jester looks like it could be an alt. sculpt, too...
hard to tell from the small pic...
DW Marine components are looking amazing!!!
great pads...
shotgun!!!
heavy bolter/heavy flamer combo!!!
i am so glad that my commission queue is almost cleared out...
i am itching to paint some Deathwatch Marines
thanks for posting the sprue pics, Az...
FB is full of the box set pics, but no sprues in my feed yet...
you made my day!!!
the silhouette of the Death Jester looks like it could be an alt. sculpt, too...
hard to tell from the small pic...
It looks like the same one to me, just turned a bit so we're looking at the stone arch from the side.
I would love some alternate sculpts, but I don't think this is one.
the silhouette of the Death Jester looks like it could be an alt. sculpt, too...
hard to tell from the small pic...
It looks like the same one to me, just turned a bit so we're looking at the stone arch from the side.
I would love some alternate sculpts, but I don't think this is one.
i think you are right...
too bad my original three metal DJ's are so skinny :(
new guy is a much more intimidating sculpt...
the originals are still great models, though...
plastic Eldrad is gonna be good...
the new plastic characters have so much more dimension to them, the way they are cut to enhance the use of negative space gives a lot of flow and motion compared to the old metal sculpts...
it is only a slight improvement over the classic Jes Goodwin sculpts, but it makes me happy
Absolutionis wrote: With how much people are salivating over the Spess Mahreens, at least I'll be able to pick up a bunch of Eldar stuff for cheap off Ebay.
Eldrad will be expensive as every Eldar player will want one. The vehicles reasonable and the Harlequin Troupe will be cheap as chips. The basic Harlequins are the worst plastics GW has released in a long time. They look like a team of basketball players against normal Eldar, the Haarlem Craftworldtrotters,
I assume this will be a good saving over buying the bits separately, and I want pretty much all the bits in this, been thinking of starting a harlequin force since they came out, this gives me half of it. And deathwatch fit in with my imperial armies.
GW have been doing a good job of getting me to spend money on their models this year, dispite me mainly playing other companies games for the last two years.
I'm looking forward to this box set to get started with Harlequins. Looks like you could get a sizable army for cheap based on the price of this boxed set. Very excited!
Absolutionis wrote: With how much people are salivating over the Spess Mahreens, at least I'll be able to pick up a bunch of Eldar stuff for cheap off Ebay.
Eldrad will be expensive as every Eldar player will want one. The vehicles reasonable and the Harlequin Troupe will be cheap as chips. The basic Harlequins are the worst plastics GW has released in a long time. They look like a team of basketball players against normal Eldar, the Haarlem Craftworldtrotters,
I couldn't disagree with you more on that, they're an excellent set.
How sure are we about those contents? I'm getting $224 Canadian for just the Harlequin stuff without Eldrad. Seems a little ludicrous if it really is under $200 here.
This isn't a new starter set. Where are the blast templates? The Shield of Baal and Sanctus Reach campaign boxes both came without the blast/flame templates. Only came with the campaign booklet and the small format softback rulebook.
I normally hate imperial flyers but that one looks great. Corvus Blackstar is also a great name. And that's a whole lot of mark VIII armour being worn.
Not going to lie: Everything about the new Deathwatch looks awesome. I love that flyer too.
I'd had some ideas in my head about how to convert the Valkyrie into a Space Marine flyer. Seems like GW had the same ideas... finally.
We only needed to sit through the Storm Raven, the Flying Space Wolf Shoe, the Dark Angels Cathedral Fighter, the Storm Turkey, and the Stormhawk to get here, lol.
casvalremdeikun wrote: The flyer looks like a combination of a Stormraven and a Valkyrie.
I'm assuming its the Corvus Blackstar listed in the table of contents pic.
Makes sense to me. I hadn't looked very hard at the contents yet. At any rate, it looks to have a twin-linked Assault cannon an possibly typhoon missile launchers. I imagine it isn't that simple though.
Did..did i read .. k.. k.. killteams? can it be?
And lots of Harleys.. time to get my old metal ones from the cellar and scrub of that waste of paint i poured on them 20 years ago.. *sobsinjoy*
love the look of the Watch Commander flyer isn't bad, either...
i had a lot of fun converting Deathwatch guys just with the old metal conversion set, but i always missed the proper DW left arm, with the lettering and elbow pad like the 54mm Artemis had...
now it is left arms for everyone!!!
i feel like i'm on Oprah
Definite 'Aliens dropship' vibe to it, although that's obviously coincidental given how GW dont use any outside inspiration for their designs...
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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: Nice! Sm plane, that looks good! Apart from the 2 crates with deathwatch symbols on them... What's that suppose to be?
Assault ramps.
I didn't notice those before. This book will be a good indication of whether or not GW wants Death from the Skies to be standard.
I would be very suprised if the Corvus Blackstar doesn't have a combat role, as well as a pursuit and agility stat. I also wouldn't take it as any indication that I should be using the the death from the skies rules.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think the guy with the custodes halberd may be a librarian, he has a load of keys tied to his belt like a lot of the other librarian sculpts do.
I have to wonder if the assault doors will be rhino, land raider, or unique in size. I'd hit that with some Black Templar doors! Or some other chapter.....
Shotguns frag cannons combiheavy weapons riot shields xenos tech. What is on the watch masters non spear hand? The flyer a assault boat? the odd boxes lookalike rhino doors. So much win my wallet hates me but my unfinished ''watch chapter?'', is gonna get a huge boost
I haven't said this about a GW/Citadel release since BaC....but damn I want that DW box set. The components look effing amazing. The =][= shield looks amazing. The flyer looks effing amazing. The gubbons on the sprews look amazing. GW...I think you have finally hit one out of the ball park for me.
I can't wait to get my hands on the DW dex...hell I might even buy a physical copy and not 'buy the digital copy"
Well gak the bed. I was all set to pass on this one but dem bitz man, dem bitz...
Terminator pads confirmed, some nice new bare heads, MK8 power armour, and that character model will be perfect for an Inquisitor in PA. Very nice indeed.
EDIT: fething hell, I didn't even notice the flyer. That might be the first non-FW Marine flyer I actually like, without any quibbles or reservations.
EDIT2: Wait, haud yersel, just a minute - is that a Heavy Bolter with a Heavy Flamer strapped to the bottom?!? Fantastic
After the disappointing Fyreslayers and the horrible Wulfen, GW have been on a bit of a roll. The deathwatch game, the silver tower game, the ironjawz the sylvaneth and now the Deathwatch have all been releases with excellent sculpts. That watch commander is great.
I am going to start selling off my extra armies to get more funds for this release. Holy cow my head is spinning from how amazing they ALL look. The flyer is better than I imagined, the weapons, oh the weapons. the tower shields, all of it. I need a drink.
Mk8! An entire army of Mk 8 Errant Armor is now possible.
/swoon
What is so big about Mk 8 Armour? I still don't know my differences of armour so don't see the big deal. Like to understand your excitement.
Only bits and pieces of it have been available before in various plastic kits. Building a whole unit, let alone an army of Mk 8 was therefore nigh on impossible. Many of us have been asking for it for some time, in the background, certain chapters, notably the Minotaurs, almost exclusively use it. Forge World released kits for all the prior designs as part of the HH stuff, but Mk8 is high future kit and so looked unlikely to ever see a widespread release.
These Deathwatch will enable people to tool up whole units or armies with the very best of the best now.
Mk8! An entire army of Mk 8 Errant Armor is now possible.
/swoon
What is so big about Mk 8 Armour? I still don't know my differences of armour so don't see the big deal. Like to understand your excitement.
Only bits and pieces of it have been available before in various plastic kits. Building a whole unit, let alone an army of Mk 8 was therefore nigh on impossible. Many of us have been asking for it for some time, in the background, certain chapters, notably the Minotaurs, almost exclusively use it. Forge World released kits for all the prior designs as part of the HH stuff, but Mk8 is high future kit and so looked unlikely to ever see a widespread release.
These Deathwatch will enable people to tool up whole units or armies with the very best of the best now.
I think he was asking what the unique traits were for that armor mark.
MK8 has a high caller and round knee pads. Thats pretty much it aside from some minor details. I actually have never been much of a fan myself aside from the random dude here or there ( i think too many looks odd) but a lot of folks have wanted it for a LONG time. So it is a very welcome sight
Yodhrin wrote: Well gak the bed. I was all set to pass on this one but dem bitz man, dem bitz...
Terminator pads confirmed, some nice new bare heads, MK8 power armour, and that character model will be perfect for an Inquisitor in PA. Very nice indeed.
EDIT: fething hell, I didn't even notice the flyer. That might be the first non-FW Marine flyer I actually like, without any quibbles or reservations.
EDIT2: Wait, haud yersel, just a minute - is that a Heavy Bolter with a Heavy Flamer strapped to the bottom?!? Fantastic
Rocking that Aliens vibe. Ripley had one of those, even if it was mekboy'd together
The not Guardian Spear is damn pimp. Lots of cool gubbins on that upgrade frame it seems.
The Watch Captain looks fantastic.
Artemis doesnt look right to my eyes - the face in particular suffers from that blocky square head that GW seem to have adopted for some of the un-helmed Marines recently. Also not a fan of cloaks.
Does he also look quite large - like bigger (fills the whole base in his pose) than the other marines (which are possibly built on the base CSM kits with the extras from the upgrade sprue to bling them) around him. I hope its not a trend to the AoSification scale creep of the 40K range. I dont want mixed hight/scale Marines like you see between the new AoS Chaos and older WoC stuff.
Finally loadsa MKVIII - love that high gorget and the bitz.........oh all the bitz!!! A SM flyer that doesn't look like a flying lunchbox.....??? Sold!!! Sweet release - defintely s̶e̶l̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶f̶e̶ gonna find the cash somewhere for this big pile of delicousness!!!
Oh man, all these models look great! I absolutely love that dropship, and the infantry kit looks great too. Artemis is spot on, and the Watchmaster looks excellent. Glad I've been holding onto a Sternguard kit for a couple years now; the spare bits from this stuff will definitely let me flesh out a cool Deathwatch squad.
FrothingMuppet wrote: The not Guardian Spear is damn pimp. Lots of cool gubbins on that upgrade frame it seems.
The Watch Captain looks fantastic.
Artemis doesnt look right to my eyes - the face in particular suffers from that blocky square head that GW seem to have adopted for some of the un-helmed Marines recently. Also not a fan of cloaks.
Does he also look quite large - like bigger (fills the whole base in his pose) than the other marines (which are possibly built on the base CSM kits with the extras from the upgrade sprue to bling them) around him. I hope its not a trend to the AoSification scale creep of the 40K range. I dont want mixed hight/scale Marines like you see between the new AoS Chaos and older WoC stuff.
Artemis does look a little blocky. The GW painting style does not help this. The new model is a deliberate homage to the old Inquisitor model. He was a bit of a giant in that game, so I think the new one is deliberately big.
FrothingMuppet wrote: The not Guardian Spear is damn pimp. Lots of cool gubbins on that upgrade frame it seems.
The Watch Captain looks fantastic.
Artemis doesnt look right to my eyes - the face in particular suffers from that blocky square head that GW seem to have adopted for some of the un-helmed Marines recently. Also not a fan of cloaks.
Does he also look quite large - like bigger (fills the whole base in his pose) than the other marines (which are possibly built on the base CSM kits with the extras from the upgrade sprue to bling them) around him. I hope its not a trend to the AoSification scale creep of the 40K range. I dont want mixed hight/scale Marines like you see between the new AoS Chaos and older WoC stuff.
Artemis does look a little blocky. The GW painting style does not help this. The new model is a deliberate homage to the old Inquisitor model. He was a bit of a giant in that game, so I think the new one is deliberately big.
That and he is raised a tiny little bit on a half buried rock to fit his pose, what chapter was Artemis by the way?
The dropship steals the show for me. When I hosted Deathwatch rpg I had them do missions in the Stormraven for stealthier ones or Thunderhawk for assultier type ones.
This though would have been good to have back then since it looks like it does all the above.
Probably not... I would expect Artemis to be more like the fewer-piece character models that have been the norm this edition, rather than the standard multi-part marine, in which case his shoulder pad is unlikely to be a separate piece.
insaniak wrote: Probably not... I would expect Artemis to be more like the fewer-piece character models that have been the norm this edition, rather than the standard multi-part marine, in which case his shoulder pad is unlikely to be a separate piece.
Maybe a little work would have to be done, but it isn't impossible. Probably.
Dangit GW would have to wait until I'm basically out of funds and THEN release something I would jump all over in a heartbeat. I'm definitely gonna get the starter set as soon as I can scrape together enough cash, as the Deathwatch and Harlies look too awesome to pass up, and what a deal!
Well, from what we have seen thus far this is looking like an awesome release. I just hope the individual DW releases are not priced too daftly. I will happily add the Harlequins to the pile of shame and paint them up when the... muse takes me. Just odd that with DW seemingly being the big August release that we are getting an AOS freebie with the re-tooled White Dwarf.
Also Artemis does look a little chunky, but a bit of that does seem to be down to perspective:
Artemis doesnt look right to my eyes - the face in particular suffers from that blocky square head that GW seem to have adopted for some of the un-helmed Marines recently. Also not a fan of cloaks.
Does he also look quite large - like bigger (fills the whole base in his pose) than the other marines (which are possibly built on the base CSM kits with the extras from the upgrade sprue to bling them) around him. I hope its not a trend to the AoSification scale creep of the 40K range. I dont want mixed hight/scale Marines like you see between the new AoS Chaos and older WoC stuff.
Artemis does look a little blocky. The GW painting style does not help this. The new model is a deliberate homage to the old Inquisitor model. He was a bit of a giant in that game, so I think the new one is deliberately big.
So good Looks like the flyer doesn't have a clear plastic cockpit canopy, cant tell if its armoured or painted to resemble glass from the pics though. The one small nigle is the terminators don't look to have moulded chapter badges. The BA and SW have moulded pads while the IH and IF look to have transfers.
I want better pics of the flyer. The assault boxes look weird: is one tilted and the other staight?
Its also weird it dont have a "storm x" name, like "corvus storm star". Sounds positively heretic as of now.
Also there is no hullweapons with line of fire acros the exit path.
Really digging the Watch Boss, and happy for the mk8 fans even if I dont get the hype.
GoatboyBeta wrote: The one small nigle is the terminators don't look to have moulded chapter badges. The BA and SW have moulded pads while the IH and IF look to have transfers.
I was wondering about that, are those Terminators mainly made up of the current BA and SW Terminator kits? Then all the Deathwatch upgrade Sprue would need Terminator wise is 5 left DW shoulder pads and no chapter specific right shoulder pads.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: I was wondering about that, are those Terminators mainly made up of the current BA and SW Terminator kits? Then all the Deathwatch upgrade Sprue would need Terminator wise is 5 left DW shoulder pads and no chapter specific right shoulder pads.
It's possible that we'll get some Terminator bits on the sprue (specifically the DW pads), but I would not expect Chapter pads for Termies. It's one thing to give us a full suite of regular Chapter pads, but I think we'd be pushing our luck expecting the same thing for Terminators.
Maybe they've made a Deathwatch Transfer sheet that is just covered in all sorts of different symbols, and that will cover the Termy side of things.
insaniak wrote: Probably not... I would expect Artemis to be more like the fewer-piece character models that have been the norm this edition, rather than the standard multi-part marine, in which case his shoulder pad is unlikely to be a separate piece.
Quite a number of the single-frame Marine characters still have one shoulder pad as a separate bit. It's how I've converted almost all of them into DW Marines.
Chikout wrote: Artemis does look a little blocky. The GW painting style does not help this. The new model is a deliberate homage to the old Inquisitor model. He was a bit of a giant in that game, so I think the new one is deliberately big.
He was giant because marines ARE BIG. He was much better scaled up compared to regular human than 40k. So if they made the 28mm version bigger as a result...They effectively made him bigger than he should be in fluff. That or his scale went up.
He's not noted for being bigger than other marines. Reason why he was bigger than regular humans in Inquisitor is that marines simply are big.
It's possible that we'll get some Terminator bits on the sprue (specifically the DW pads), but I would not expect Chapter pads for Termies. It's one thing to give us a full suite of regular Chapter pads, but I think we'd be pushing our luck expecting the same thing for Terminators.
Maybe they've made a Deathwatch Transfer sheet that is just covered in all sorts of different symbols, and that will cover the Termy side of things.
I agree 100% with that. The only Terminators we see with moulded chapter pads are SW and BA, both already have a chapter specific kit so I guess they have just used those kits.
It's bringing back some great memories from that game. It's funny but we had someone become I think it was the artificer prestige class. The one who gets the super cool armor.
Anyways he was fighting an escaped something from the vaults down below that was a cthulhu spawn from hell and ge decided to jump on the writhing mass of tentacled and eye flesh to try and...??? They managed to trap it in the reactors and detonate them destroying it but he couldn't break free to escape and perished.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: No idea why they have painted the rim of the base with a trowel though......
Not a trowel. Someone clearly used a left-handed brush with their right hand.
Amazing how people watch Warhammer TV vids to improve their painting then ignore basic guidance.
Gamgee wrote: Anyways he was fighting an escaped something from the vaults down below that was a cthulhu spawn from hell and ge decided to jump on the writhing mass of tentacled and eye flesh to try and...??? They managed to trap it in the reactors and detonate them destroying it but he couldn't break free to escape and perished.
Sounds like a friend of mine who likes to fight things using his basic combat knife.
Trygon incoming? Let me get my knife.
Hey, a Tau Hammerhead? Let me get my knife!
Playing a Wolf Scout and need to take out the Firewarrior guards? It's knife time!
The Hammerhead one's a funny story. Can't remember what we were playtesting (we played so much Deathwatch because we play tested basically every book from Achillus Assault through the the last one they did), but we were fighting the Tau and came up against a Hammerhead in a massive hanger. I almost always bring Meltabombs because you never know when you're going to need them, so myself, one other player and my knife-wielding friend all ran around behind it.
Planted the bombs, and got out of dodge. Well... two of us did. Mr. Knife did not, and decided to hit the Hammerhead. To his credit he did some damage, and then was immediately blasted to itty bitty bits by the explosion. Not long after the rest of us were fighting the Tau Commander and his retinue, on the top of a Manta that was moving into the atmostphere to try and leave the world. Oh, and the Manta was on fire. That was a great game.
The upgrade sprue looks good and the box is a good deal, however I am really dissappointed with the army list as it looks exactly like the Space Marine army list. I was hoping for something unique and flavourful as a sort of mini-dex, a la Militarum Tempestus or Harlequins. Might pick up the spear captain for a standalone model down the line but unlikely at this point.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: OMG the first good looking GW flier since... the Valkyrie?
OMG.
More unpainted plastic for the pile of shame!
Seriously? It looks no better or worse than anything else that's arrived since the Stormraven. It just looks flatter and bulkier and all in all more flying metal box with guns. If anything its worse to me that the other SM flyers.
Deadshot wrote: The upgrade sprue looks good and the box is a good deal, however I am really dissappointed with the army list as it looks exactly like the Space Marine army list. I was hoping for something unique and flavourful as a sort of mini-dex, a la Militarum Tempestus or Harlequins. Might pick up the spear captain for a standalone model down the line but unlikely at this point.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: OMG the first good looking GW flier since... the Valkyrie?
OMG.
More unpainted plastic for the pile of shame!
Seriously? It looks no better or worse than anything else that's arrived since the Stormraven. It just looks flatter and bulkier and all in all more flying metal box with guns. If anything its worse to me that the other SM flyers.
I heard this story once that debating matters of taste is moot. Dunno, might be an ancient legend.
To me it looks vastly better than any other SM flyer, which tend to look like dock containers.
Gamgee wrote: Anyways he was fighting an escaped something from the vaults down below that was a cthulhu spawn from hell and ge decided to jump on the writhing mass of tentacled and eye flesh to try and...??? They managed to trap it in the reactors and detonate them destroying it but he couldn't break free to escape and perished.
Sounds like a friend of mine who likes to fight things using his basic combat knife.
Trygon incoming? Let me get my knife.
Hey, a Tau Hammerhead? Let me get my knife!
Playing a Wolf Scout and need to take out the Firewarrior guards? It's knife time!
The Hammerhead one's a funny story. Can't remember what we were playtesting (we played so much Deathwatch because we play tested basically every book from Achillus Assault through the the last one they did), but we were fighting the Tau and came up against a Hammerhead in a massive hanger. I almost always bring Meltabombs because you never know when you're going to need them, so myself, one other player and my knife-wielding friend all ran around behind it.
Planted the bombs, and got out of dodge. Well... two of us did. Mr. Knife did not, and decided to hit the Hammerhead. To his credit he did some damage, and then was immediately blasted to itty bitty bits by the explosion. Not long after the rest of us were fighting the Tau Commander and his retinue, on the top of a Manta that was moving into the atmostphere to try and leave the world. Oh, and the Manta was on fire. That was a great game.
That sounds awesome. Your group is oddly competent mine had a high death rate. One time the lone jetpack guy decided now is a good time to fly out into the middle of the open into all the chaos cultists and CSM with bolters to flank them. Everyone else was hidden and in cover and flew over them. He lasted a round of shooting to his credit before landing on the ground in a meaty pulp. Hahah. He took 10+ attacks. His character had the highest insanity and the Emperor told him to do strange things sometimes. His character was a flesh tearer assault marine. Though this flying incident was all on him since he didn't have the insanity at that point. Haha.
Deadshot wrote: The upgrade sprue looks good and the box is a good deal, however I am really dissappointed with the army list as it looks exactly like the Space Marine army list.
Expecting anything other than a Marine army list with odd bells and whistles goes against most of the background we've had since the Deathwatch introduction. The list seems to fit the RPG background perfectly. The different kill team types hopefully have the RPG options like techmarines, apothecaries and assault marines included.
I'd like to know the difference between the Deathwatch squad (the one we've seen sprue pictures of I'm guessing) and the upgrade sprue (terminator pads and vehicle icons?). Is the guy with the halberd the miniature for the Watch Master to come in the next few weeks?
At the end of the day Deathwatch are still a Marine Chapter, so they still have normal squads. They're just super elite squads because they're made up of outstanding Marines from other chapters.
Deadshot wrote: The upgrade sprue looks good and the box is a good deal, however I am really dissappointed with the army list as it looks exactly like the Space Marine army list.
Expecting anything other than a Marine army list with odd bells and whistles goes against most of the background we've had since the Deathwatch introduction. The list seems to fit the RPG background perfectly. The different kill team types hopefully have the RPG options like techmarines, apothecaries and assault marines included.
I'd like to know the difference between the Deathwatch squad (the one we've seen sprue pictures of I'm guessing) and the upgrade sprue (terminator pads and vehicle icons?). Is the guy with the halberd the miniature for the Watch Master to come in the next few weeks?
I meant, they have all these lists that looks exactly like a Space Marine list. What I was anticipating was a Codex that read
Watch Captain
Kill Team
Blackshields
Veterans/Special Unique squad
Terminators
Rhinos/Pods/Razors and Land Raiders
Ie, a mini-dex a la MT. The different kill team types you mention look more like formations to me, as they are coming after the unit entries in the list instead of in the normal HQ Troop Elite Fast Attack Heavy Support LoW pattern.
I'm guessing the deathwatch sprue comes with unique parts and minis with the Deathwatch stuff sculpted onto the pieces, whereas the sprue is a few sets of legs, bolters, arms and shoulders and some other bits and bobs thrown on a sprue like the DA and BT upgrade kits.
Yeah, Blackshields are not a separate unit, they are integrated in the Kill Teams as are all other members. And you don't know, if there is an optional upgrade fro a Blackshield in the Veteran Squad with some special rule to save the squad members.
Is there any way for me to get a Blood Raven pauldron? I want to recreate my player squad form the rpg.
Ultramarine Pads easy, Dark Angel again easy, Flesh Tearer is in the new kit, I forget what my one player played I think he was an Imperial Fist or Crimson Fist, and then I need a Blood Raven pauldron.
Ultramarine Sniper/Tactical Marine Class.
Flesh Tearer Assault Marine
Dark Angel Tech Marine
Imperial Fist Devastator Marine
I'm forgetting one other players chapter and class. It's been years since I've played.
Vanguard Vets and Bikes, along with transports and the flyer in Fast Attack.
And Land Raiders as their Heavy Support.
It is indeed a small army. With a small selection of units.
Corvus Blackstar their flyer. Allegedly that is its name from someone who translated it. The funny thing is there is a cool fandex on ATT and I submitted a full flying monstrous creature suit based off the Ghostkeel chassis called the Darkstar. Great minds think alike when it comes to naming stuff.
The image at the bottom lists what is in their codex.
Where do I find a custom 3d printer? Not the device but a company who could do it? Also sounds expensive.
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Thanks angel.
There is so much I want to do. I need to finish damn tidewall, need to do the Ta'unar, then I want to do the Tau flyers, then start Beastclaw Raiders/Orruks Ironjaws, and now Deathwatch. I have not the time and certainly not the money. :(
That reminds me. My latest Deathwatch character is a Raven Guard who's an expert sniper. So what did I take for Signature Wargear? Why a Jump Pack of course. Now I'm a sniper who can be anywhere I need to be.
That... is actually very smart. Until you get ganked by those sneaky ambush kroot. My Ultramarnes sniper player learned to hate them when they were a known presence on a mission and he kept closer to the group since they would just ambush him and nearly always kill him. He also hated lictors always dragging him out of the area of operations and devouring him. The NPC Inquisitor I had on some missions used a Tau carbine and an Eldar power sword. Ah I love the Deathwatch.
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Oh I also got to actually play instead of host once. It was a Rogue Trader game. I managed to outsmart the Eldar and Dark Eldar combined, stopped an Ork waaagh with dozens of rokks, back stabbed the general about to assassinate the planetary governor and frame him. Then take up his position, chase down the big bad end game in my frigate and nuke him. All in the course of a day. Suffice to say my FLGS still considers that game legendary. And the people thanked me for saving them. My GM an old Vietnam veteran claimed I was very "Machiavellian".
commander dante wrote: As long as each model isnt unique (unlike overkill) ill be happy I might just get a bunch of shoulder pads of 1 chapter because OCD
Based on the sprue, this isn't a kit filled with several unique mono-pose models. Just looking at the pics shows multiple options, including a couple of very big double sided hammers (made in an =][= style), plus the heavy combi-bolter/flamer, frag cannon, shotguns, HTH weapons, shields, all sorts'a stuff!
Gamgee wrote: That... is actually very smart. Until you get ganked by those sneaky ambush kroot. My Ultramarnes sniper player learned to hate them when they were a known presence on a mission and he kept closer to the group since they would just ambush him and nearly always kill him. He also hated lictors always dragging him out of the area of operations and devouring him. The NPC Inquisitor I had on some missions used a Tau carbine and an Eldar power sword. Ah I love the Deathwatch.
I'm suddenly reminded of our first game with that character. One of the group couldn't make it, so his Fleshtearer Sanguinary Priest (with two Chainswords, naturally!) sat the game out. We had my sniper, an Ultramarine Librarian (general stuff) and a Blood Raven Librarian (player had gone full-on Lore skills with everything, so very little combat utility outside of a few basic powers and, well, being a Space Marine).
Everything was going fine up until the end. We had to get into a cave network where some Eldar had set up shop. There were a couple of Wraithguard wandering around on sentry duty, plus Dire Avengers, and a Warlock in there. I took my first shot, it was going to be glorious... 100. Jammed instantly. From there it kinda went to hell.
I survived, and ended up carrying the other two Librarians out. One of them had my fav Perils of the Warp result, Chronological Incontinence and vanished for a few turns only to show back up to kamehameha himself to oblivion with a full-charge Smite right at his feet (whoops!) where as the Blood Raven summoned a Daemon Prince that trampled the Warlock to death and would have killed the Blood Raven if not for Fate Points. It... didn't go well.
That is funny and reminds me of something similar and far worse. In the campaign we had the CSM did their dastardly stuff and created a Bloodthirster. The enemy psyker was casting his powers and he summons a chaos deamon prince. Hahah. My group was sweating now. I didn't even mean for this to happen.
Then my friend sees its a last desperate stand. He puts all he has into a power and... summons another deamon prince. Hahaha.
Oh my god. So we had all these huge deadly threats running around. The players immediate bolted. Like two people didn't make many had to burn fate points. One guy made it out at a limp.
I took some mercy on them and thought this is the perfect chance for all these deamons to start duking it out. With only one marine they will all be vying for control. So they start inter fighting and the one player managed to get the bodies of the survivors and make his way to their ship.
I am defiantly liking the flyer. I don't think converting it into another chapter will be feasible with the giant =I= on top however I'm thinking that the cockpit could be opened up and other rhino doors be used. In fact. I am thinking on getting one to really cut up. Remove one underwing passenger pod to replace with a cargo grapple for one of the Inq. cars from wargames exclusive. Perhaps too ambitious, perhaps the car will not fit under the wing. Defiantly no rules for it. But it would be cool.
Sadly Warseer is down so I will use this place to share with you all the info of the new Deathwatch codex.
I already own a copy of the codex (spanish version) as well as the new box "Death Masque" (New Eldrad model is SWEEET)
I am afraid I am at work now so do not have the time to post info right now. Later this afternoon I will be back home and will be ready to answer all your questions.
Sadly Warseer is down so I will use this place to share with you all the info of the new Deathwatch codex.
I already own a copy of the codex (spanish version) as well as the new box "Death Masque" (New Eldrad model is SWEEET)
I am afraid I am at work now so do not have the time to post info right now. Later this afternoon I will be back home and will be ready to answer all your questions.
There is a ton of new stuff in the codex!!!!
Stay tunned!!
I have a few questions!
1. What new weapons are available to the Deathwatch?
2. What type of flyer is the new flyer (Fighter, Attack Flyer, Bomber)?
3. Are there ways to differentiate between units from different Chapters?
4. What sort of stuff is on the Deathwatch Upgrade Sprue? Does it come with Deathwatch pauldrons and left arms?
Vanguard Vets and Bikes, along with transports and the flyer in Fast Attack.
And Land Raiders as their Heavy Support.
It is indeed a small army. With a small selection of units.
Corvus Blackstar their flyer. Allegedly that is its name from someone who translated it. The funny thing is there is a cool fandex on ATT and I submitted a full flying monstrous creature suit based off the Ghostkeel chassis called the Darkstar. Great minds think alike when it comes to naming stuff.
The image at the bottom lists what is in their codex.
I'm well aware of that. The very same image is also in the very first post on the thread. In fact, the worked out forces are based on that image, amusingly enough.
But feel free to correct where there is no need for a correction.
Sadly Warseer is down so I will use this place to share with you all the info of the new Deathwatch codex.
I already own a copy of the codex (spanish version) as well as the new box "Death Masque" (New Eldrad model is SWEEET)
I am afraid I am at work now so do not have the time to post info right now. Later this afternoon I will be back home and will be ready to answer all your questions.
There is a ton of new stuff in the codex!!!!
Stay tunned!!
Hello fellow Warseer refugee, I have some questions all about the new flier.
What are it's weapon options, transport capacity and AVs?
Does it have any special rules on its own, and what does it gain from its formation?
Soooo... Artemis has little in common with the original mini apart from pose and being a Deathwatch Marine then? Different sword, a combi-weapon not a bolter, relics and adornments different, addition of a cape and backpack bling. Why even call him Artemis?
JohnnyHell wrote: Soooo... Artemis has little in common with the original mini apart from pose and being a Deathwatch Marine then? Different sword, a combi-weapon not a bolter, relics and adornments different, addition of a cape and backpack bling. Why even call him Artemis?
Sadly Warseer is down so I will use this place to share with you all the info of the new Deathwatch codex.
I already own a copy of the codex (spanish version) as well as the new box "Death Masque" (New Eldrad model is SWEEET)
I am afraid I am at work now so do not have the time to post info right now. Later this afternoon I will be back home and will be ready to answer all your questions.
There is a ton of new stuff in the codex!!!!
Stay tunned!!
Hi Iuchiban - Silverstu from Warseer here- quick eldar question- Is Eldrad the same as the old model or are there differences [is he still raising his sword? from the blurry pics he looks like he might be casting instead?]
Cheers in advance
adamsouza wrote: Can anyone who plays Harlequins tell me about how many points that force is, and is it worth doubling up on ?
The Harlequins without Eldrad come to 455 points without upgrades. You'll absolutely want upgrades, which will potentially add at least another 100 points or so to that depending on what you take.
As for doubling up, I wouldn't personally, but it really boils down to how you'll want to build your list.
adamsouza wrote: Can anyone who plays Harlequins tell me about how many points that force is, and is it worth doubling up on ?
425pt minimum, 455pt with two spare troupers, but you need some necessary options. IMHO it is worth doubling up if you want All Hariles army, as this is basically almost entire Harlequin product line (shame though, that it has Death Jester and not Shadowseer included…)
Sadly Warseer is down so I will use this place to share with you all the info of the new Deathwatch codex.
I already own a copy of the codex (spanish version) as well as the new box "Death Masque" (New Eldrad model is SWEEET)
I am afraid I am at work now so do not have the time to post info right now. Later this afternoon I will be back home and will be ready to answer all your questions.
There is a ton of new stuff in the codex!!!!
Stay tunned!!
When you get a chance can you list the death watch relics and
Is the eldrad/harlequin 40k formation listed in the box and what is it, because that formation will radically determine how popular these harlequin minis are going to be.
Sadly Warseer is down so I will use this place to share with you all the info of the new Deathwatch codex.
I already own a copy of the codex (spanish version) as well as the new box "Death Masque" (New Eldrad model is SWEEET)
I am afraid I am at work now so do not have the time to post info right now. Later this afternoon I will be back home and will be ready to answer all your questions.
There is a ton of new stuff in the codex!!!!
Stay tunned!!
Hey Iuchiban, good to see you again!
When the first leaks for this came out they talked about "insane amounts of customization", can you talk a bit about the Xenos weaponry that the Deathwatch can use? Thanks!
Hard to write questions that haven't already been asked.
1. The deathwatch upgrade sprue, is it a lot of bits?
2. is there a breakdown of what codex chapters get what bonuses for DW?
3. Are there other weapons like that sweet Heavy bolter w/flamer?
4. The flyer, what are some of its stats
(BTW thank you for receiving the emperors call and blessing us with information)
JohnnyHell wrote: Soooo... Artemis has little in common with the original mini apart from pose and being a Deathwatch Marine then? Different sword, a combi-weapon not a bolter, relics and adornments different, addition of a cape and backpack bling. Why even call him Artemis?
Because it's the same dude, wearing different bling and carrying another gun?
Cephalobeard wrote: 2. Is there a "decurion" style formation, where it makes a full army amount similar to battle companies, war convocation, etc?
All of the Marine Strike Forces have been super detachments. Therefore its fairly safe to assume that the Black Spear Strike Force listed in the table of contents is a super detachment. Also note that the Decurion is a detachment, not a formation.
Cephalobeard wrote: 2. Is there a "decurion" style formation, where it makes a full army amount similar to battle companies, war convocation, etc?
All of the Marine Strike Forces have been super detachments. Therefore its fairly safe to assume that the Black Spear Strike Force listed in the table of contents is a super detachment. Also note that the Decurion is a detachment, not a formation.
Forgive me, I use the phrase rather interchangeably. I see you understood what I meant, either way. Here's hoping we get more information.
H.B.M.C. wrote: No MGS. He must be exactly the same in every way to take the storied name of Artemis!
Or, y'know, not.
<Artemis rocks up at Deathwatch HQ. A Guard bars his path...>
Guard: "Halt, Brother. I recognise you not."
Artemis: "Seriously, Brother?"
Guard: "Not the foggiest. Not a clue. Not a Mordian sausage."
<Artemis sighs, raises his gun, leans forward and strikes a pose>
Guard: "OH IT'S THE STORIED WATCH CAPTAIN ARTEMIS! Come right on in, I do apologise..."
Artemis: "Thank you."
Guard: "I thought you were taller?"
Artemis: "I get that a lot..."
"What do you mean I'm barred from the armory? Whose idea was that! It would cause a moral problem with my battle brothers if they see me wielding a different weapon? Nonsense! Even the Imperial Guard have an armory! Who goes to battle without an armory! Wait what? Craftworld eldar? I thought they were all dead? Really.
Mount up! We got to purge some Xenos!
Shadow Walker wrote: Fluff question: is it written in DW codex that they have access to real Custodian Spears or are they using just inferior copies?
DW get access to all sorts of goodies that most don't, if not purely due to the Inquisition granting them the rights to do so.
So, knowing that, it's entirely possible the Watch Master (Especially by his age, considering how slowly Marines age, this guy must be ancient) was gifted a relic, or possibly WAS/IS a Custodes. Remember, the Minotaurs chapter master has a Custodes Halberd as well.
Shadow Walker wrote: Fluff question: is it written in DW codex that they have access to real Custodian Spears or are they using just inferior copies?
DW get access to all sorts of goodies that most don't, if not purely due to the Inquisition granting them the rights to do so.
So, knowing that, it's entirely possible the Watch Master (Especially by his age, considering how slowly Marines age, this guy must be ancient) was gifted a relic, or possibly WAS/IS a Custodes. Remember, the Minotaurs chapter master has a Custodes Halberd as well.
Yeah, I know that they use lot of stuff normally unavailable but would like a confirmation from luchiban or anyone with a codex Also no way a Custodian would be a WM in DW. They do not mix with inferior supersoldiers
Warp Rider wrote: It looks pretty, goes on pre-order this Saturday and UK price is £95, which when you think about, the Deathwatch side (based on rough estimates) are about £130 alone. So tempted but I really need to show some restraint!
I haven't bought a new 40K model in years, but this is tempting even if all I ever do with the set is paint them up.
So, going by the army units, it looks like Deathwatch does not have access to a Land Raider Crusader. They only have normal Land Raiders and Redeemers. I wonder why they get short changed?
cuda1179 wrote: So, going by the army units, it looks like Deathwatch does not have access to a Land Raider Crusader. They only have normal Land Raiders and Redeemers. I wonder why they get short changed?
The list is cropped. No page 90 and a big jump in the other column. Someone has assured LRC is present.
The only harlie rules in there will be for the formation including Eldrad. Probably won't see that until people get hold of boxes.
cuda1179 wrote: So, going by the army units, it looks like Deathwatch does not have access to a Land Raider Crusader. They only have normal Land Raiders and Redeemers. I wonder why they get short changed?
The list is cropped. No page 90 and a big jump in the other column. Someone has assured LRC is present.
The only harlie rules in there will be for the formation including Eldrad. Probably won't see that until people get hold of boxes.
What new formations to the DW have acces to and their bonuses?
Do DW use chapter tactics at all or specific DC chapter tactics?
What artifacts do they have?
New weapons?
Stats for the flyer and rules?
New special rules?
Shadow Walker wrote: Are there restrictions for using xenos weapons or you can go radical without worries?
Why would there be worries?
Deathwatch use xenos weapons. It's irony at its finest to murder the alien with their own technology.
I know but how much of it would be considered ok = not branded radical? I do not say that they will care or not care (probably depends of WM in question) but I simply asked if there are any restrictions (also in rules=you can field weapon X but then are limited to only squad Y etc.).
-The "Chapter Tactic" of the Deathwatch is called: Mission Tactics. At the beginning of your first turn you choose: HQ, Elite, Troops, Fast Attack or Heavy Support. You may reroll 1`s to hit vs Targets of the chosen type. Once per battle, at the beginning of any of your turns you may change the chosen type.
- There is a "Decurión" style formation in the codex called Black Spear Strike Force
JohnnyHell wrote: Soooo... Artemis has little in common with the original mini apart from pose and being a Deathwatch Marine then? Different sword, a combi-weapon not a bolter, relics and adornments different, addition of a cape and backpack bling. Why even call him Artemis?
I change my clothes, adornments and work tools from time to time, yet my name stays the same.
I must admit I find this latest box set strange to say the least.
Don't get me wrong, the models look good, and the value for money is excellent, but Deathwatch...again...
Very strange...
I look at that flier, and two things spring to mind:
1) Somebody's been watching Empire Strikes back, recently...
2) The old Rick Priestly interview where he made the point that the models drive the rules, and not vice versa, springs to mind. Somebody designed this flier and then dumped it on the desk of one of the games designers...
JohnnyHell wrote: Soooo... Artemis has little in common with the original mini apart from pose and being a Deathwatch Marine then? Different sword, a combi-weapon not a bolter, relics and adornments different, addition of a cape and backpack bling. Why even call him Artemis?
I change my clothes, adornments and work tools from time to time, yet my name stays the same.
-The "Chapter Tactic" of the Deathwatch is called: Mission Tactics. At the beginning of your first turn you choose: HQ, Elite, Troops, Fast Attack or Heavy Support. You may reroll 1`s to hit vs Targets of the chosen type. Once per battle, at the beginning of any of your turns you may change the chosen type.
- There is a "Decurión" style formation in the codex called Black Spear Strike Force
That's actually not a bad rule. Do Veterans all have Special Ammunition still?
Guardian Spear: S+1, AP2, Melee, 2 hands, Block (Once per turn choose an attack the hit the bearer. Roll a D6, if the result is higher than the to hit roll of the enemy, attack is ignored).
Clavis; -1 to WS, BS and I to enemy vehicles at 6"
Tactic master: If chosen as the Warlord, you may change the Mission Tactic rule one additional time per game.
privateer4hire wrote: Are the Harlequins including Death Jester the same models as normal? I can't see the Jester very well but it looks like a different pose.
Veterans:
- 110 points for 2 models
- Usual profile
- Up to 5 more models in the unit
- Any veteran may be equipped with CCW, Special Weapons or Shot Weapons (Translation may be inaccurate)
- Up to 4 veterans may be equipped with Heavy Weapon
- Any model may be equipped with Heavy Thunder Hammer (+30/model)
- One Veteran may be upgraded to Black Shield
- One Veteran may be upgraded to Watch Seargent and may change his CCW for a Xenosomething blade and may purchase equipment from the Special List
- Rhino, Razorback, Drop Pod or Corvus thing as Dedicated Transport
Is there a way for models to gain special rules based on their background chapter, or was that just something special for the named characters in Overkill?
Heavy Weapons
As usual+:
- Heavy Bolter may get Inferno ammo (24", S1, AP-, Blast, Poison2+) +5 points
- Infernus Heavy Bolter: 36" S5, AP 4, Assault3
Heavy Flamer
Non of the profiles is one use only. Inferno HB costs +20 per model.
- Deatchwatch Frag cannon: Template S6 AP- Assault2, Rending
24" S7 AP3, Assault 2, Impact
Impact: if target is at 12" or less: S9 and AP2
Terminators
- 40 points per model (max squad size is 5, min 1)
- Any model may get: Hammer + Shield (+10) or Claws (Free).
- Any model may get: Power Sword (free), Chainfist (+5), Power Fist with aux meltagun (+10)
- Any model may get: Heavy Flamer, Assault Cannon or Cyclon Missile Launcher (usual costs)
Power fist with aux meltagun: May use it as a meltagun and a power fist in the same turn. No one-use limitation
Dreardnoughts
No visible changes here
Vanguard Veternas
No visible changes here but have the special ammo rule.
ultimentra wrote: I could see terminators being used for once this way, now they can pull double duty. Melta a transport to death then charge the juicy insides. Nasty.
That seems feasible; charge out of a Landraider Crusader to add extra spice to the mix?
Bikers
-30 points per model
- Special ammo
- Skilled rider
- Split fire
- Squad size (1-5)
- Any model may get power sword (+5)
- Any model may get melta bombs (+5)
- Any model may get teleporting beacon (+10)
Corvus Blackstar
- 180 points
- Twin Linked Assault Cannon
- Black star launcher thing: S4, AP6, Bomb1, Big Blast
S5, AP4, Bomb1, Big Blast, Ignores Cover
- 4 Stormstrike missiles
- Ceramite Plating
- Assault Vehicle
- Attack Flyer
- Transport Capacity: 12. May transport Jump Infantry and Bikes !!!!
- May change the TW Assault Cannon for twin linked lascannon (free)
- May change the 4 misseles for a twin linked Blackstar missile Launcher: 30" S6, AP4, Heavy 1D6, AA 30" S4, AP5 Heavy1, Big Blast, Ignores Cover
Ok, that's enough for now, Have to attend my duties (Little daughter). Later on I'll be back!!!!!!
Bikers
-30 points per model
- Special ammo
- Skilled rider
- Split fire
- Squad size (1-5)
- Any model may get power sword (+5)
- Any model may get melta bombs (+5)
- Any model may get teleporting beacon (+10)
Corvus Blackstar
- 180 points
- Twin Linked Assault Cannon
- Black star launcher thing: S4, AP6, Bomb1, Big Blast
S5, AP4, Bomb1, Big Blast, Ignores Cover
- 4 Stormstrike missiles
- Ceramite Plating
- Assault Vehicle
- Attack Flyer
- Transport Capacity: 12. May transport Jump Infantry and Bikes !!!!
- May change the TW Assault Cannon for twin linked lascannon (free)
- May change the 4 misseles for a twin linked Blackstar missile Launcher: 30" S6, AP4, Heavy 1D6, AA 30" S4, AP5 Heavy1, Big Blast, Ignores Cover
Ok, that's enough for now, Have to attend my duties (Little daughter). Later on I'll be back!!!!!!
So, the Corvus is pretty much their version of a Stormraven. Nice.
So it looks like the codex is written in such a way that all of the DW:O guys are playable. Only now you can put them with their appropriate units. I am looking forward to getting some more bikes, more jump pack Marines, and a lot of Veteran squads made.
Any info on the scenario/booklety bits? Wondering if you can play a game with what's included in the set. I don't have a real interest in getting back into 40k but could possibly see this as a self-contained boxed game if the scenario lets you play just with the contents.
So, Vanguard Veterans with special ammunition. Meaning special ammunition on bolt pistols?
Oh mamma. It's looking more and more like I'm gonna build Deathwatch instead of Raven Guard. Upgrade sprue + BaC = Mk IV Deathwatch. Too bad it looks like no using the contemptor dread.
BossJakadakk wrote: So, Vanguard Veterans with special ammunition. Meaning special ammunition on bolt pistols?
Oh mamma. It's looking more and more like I'm gonna build Deathwatch instead of Raven Guard. Upgrade sprue + BaC = Mk IV Deathwatch. Too bad it looks like no using the contemptor dread.
Is it just me, or does this stuff seem like it could very easily go the same way as 5th ed 'Herp-a-Durp Knights' went?
I mean, the very basics thus far are pretty much a complete junk shot to 'Nids & Orks, because those guys totally needed yet another swift nerf bat beating...
BossJakadakk wrote: So, Vanguard Veterans with special ammunition. Meaning special ammunition on bolt pistols?
Oh mamma. It's looking more and more like I'm gonna build Deathwatch instead of Raven Guard. Upgrade sprue + BaC = Mk IV Deathwatch. Too bad it looks like no using the contemptor dread.
Just use it as a normal dread?
Yeah, but that's not the point I was making. Of course I can use the model, just won't be a contemptor
BossJakadakk wrote: So, Vanguard Veterans with special ammunition. Meaning special ammunition on bolt pistols?
Oh mamma. It's looking more and more like I'm gonna build Deathwatch instead of Raven Guard. Upgrade sprue + BaC = Mk IV Deathwatch. Too bad it looks like no using the contemptor dread.
Just use it as a normal dread?
Yeah, but that's not the point I was making. Of course I can use the model, just won't be a contemptor
There's always allies and whatever other crazy army building stuff there is in 40k now?
BossJakadakk wrote: So, Vanguard Veterans with special ammunition. Meaning special ammunition on bolt pistols?
Oh mamma. It's looking more and more like I'm gonna build Deathwatch instead of Raven Guard. Upgrade sprue + BaC = Mk IV Deathwatch. Too bad it looks like no using the contemptor dread.
Just use it as a normal dread?
Yeah, but that's not the point I was making. Of course I can use the model, just won't be a contemptor
There's always allies and whatever other crazy army building stuff there is in 40k now?
Probably will end up doing that if I really want to, invested in some scout squads for the RG and don't want those to go to waste, either.
The point was more "Special Ammunition Pistols" and the Dread thing was very much just a side comment.
Crimson wrote:What does the Black Shield do?
I'm curious about that too. It's not "equipped with," it's "upgraded to," so it'll be a new ALE?
CaptainLoken wrote: I need a T-shirt that says, "I was Deathwatch, when Deathwatch wasn't cool"...
Eh, won't help you...
We had maybe 2 or 3 locals who'd still play their GK's back when they were the nearly unplayable Daemonhunters back in 5th, yet they sadly got lumped in with all the bandwagon hoppers and TFG's once Knights became the most OP filth in 5th ed.
Likewise, those of us who'd suffered with the original Daemons codex all through the edition of "screw Daemons!" are still looked upon with complete scorn and rank disgust because of the couple ***hats who won't run anything except re-rolled 2++ & clown car.
About the only thing to do is to just always make sure that if/when you take the cool new toys, you take it in moderation.
(ie: I only ever take 1 Malefic Tzherald in my Tzeentch Daemons & never take it on my Horrors, simply because summoning *anything* apparently is an automatic TFG move)
More questions.
1) do they have Apothecaries?
2) It shows Terminators as part of the Power Armored squad. Does the codex have this as an option to do, or is this more of an action shot(in the leaked pictures), or Special Characters(or just a sgt upgrade) that are attached to the squad?
nudibranch wrote: Holy crap, that flyer's an assault vehicle... That can carry bikes...
this is huge, especially if your format allows battle brothers boarding allied transports.
Of course since Bikes are Very Bulky you'll only be able to carry four of them.
Which is another classic example of people getting excited over a rule without thinking it through.
And since it's a Flyer, it has to start in Reserve, so no BB's deploying in it (according to the soon-to-be official FAQ). You'd have to wait until it comes in, Hover with it to embark your Bikes. Best case scenario Turn 3 charging out of it. Bikes can do that already.
nudibranch wrote: Holy crap, that flyer's an assault vehicle... That can carry bikes...
this is huge, especially if your format allows battle brothers boarding allied transports.
Of course since Bikes are Very Bulky you'll only be able to carry four of them.
Which is another classic example of people getting excited over a rule without thinking it through.
And since it's a Flyer, it has to start in Reserve, so no BB's embarking on it. You'd have to wait until it comes in, Hover with it to embark your Bikes. Best case scenario Turn 3 charging out of it. Bikes can do that already.
Unless formations in the book allow otherwise, that is.
Not worth getting too excited, or too negative about, until we have the full picture.
conker249 wrote: I don't think I have refreshed a thread more times than this one for DeathWatch information so often.
I displayed a tremendous amount of willpower by not preordering any DW stuff when I stopped by my FLGS at lunch today. I've just got too much I'm already working on. This will have to wait. Unless the formations are cool and have fun rules. Then my AoS Chaos army will have to wait to get painted.
Really eager to hear details about Death Masque. Any rules for the units inside? Unique formations? Does the box contain a game or special missions? Is Eldrad a member of the Harlequin faction?
nudibranch wrote: Holy crap, that flyer's an assault vehicle... That can carry bikes...
this is huge, especially if your format allows battle brothers boarding allied transports.
Of course since Bikes are Very Bulky you'll only be able to carry four of them.
Which is another classic example of people getting excited over a rule without thinking it through.
And since it's a Flyer, it has to start in Reserve, so no BB's deploying in it (according to the soon-to-be official FAQ). You'd have to wait until it comes in, Hover with it to embark your Bikes. Best case scenario Turn 3 charging out of it. Bikes can do that already.
nudibranch wrote: Holy crap, that flyer's an assault vehicle... That can carry bikes...
this is huge, especially if your format allows battle brothers boarding allied transports.
Of course since Bikes are Very Bulky you'll only be able to carry four of them.
Which is another classic example of people getting excited over a rule without thinking it through.
And since it's a Flyer, it has to start in Reserve, so no BB's deploying in it (according to the soon-to-be official FAQ). You'd have to wait until it comes in, Hover with it to embark your Bikes. Best case scenario Turn 3 charging out of it. Bikes can do that already.
nudibranch wrote: Holy crap, that flyer's an assault vehicle... That can carry bikes...
this is huge, especially if your format allows battle brothers boarding allied transports.
Of course since Bikes are Very Bulky you'll only be able to carry four of them.
Which is another classic example of people getting excited over a rule without thinking it through.
And since it's a Flyer, it has to start in Reserve, so no BB's deploying in it (according to the soon-to-be official FAQ). You'd have to wait until it comes in, Hover with it to embark your Bikes. Best case scenario Turn 3 charging out of it. Bikes can do that already.
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Unless you're using Deathwatch Bikers.
Indeed. My post was trying to address both the Bikes comment and the Battle Bros comment at the same time. In either case (DW bikes, or BB bikes) 4 bikes is just too small a squad to be riding around in a Flyer. I'd rather have 10-12 dudes in there, maybe a few Temies
Not interested in painting motley. Far too much messing about for my liking.
Looks like the flyer doesn't have a clear plastic cockpit canopy, cant tell if its armoured or painted to resemble glass from the pics though. The one small nigle is the terminators don't look to have moulded chapter badges. The 
themselves when they see 
